How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?
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@zecc said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
:360°_table_flip:
I sense a new internet-sensation-challenge on the horizon!
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@tsaukpaetra said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@zecc said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
:360°_table_flip:
I sense a new internet-sensation-challenge on the horizon!
The Germans seem in the development phase already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsVcMqgQdJo
Shouldn't be too much work to progress from chairs to tables.
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@mzh said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@tsaukpaetra said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@zecc said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
:360°_table_flip:
I sense a new internet-sensation-challenge on the horizon!
The Germans seem in the development phase already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsVcMqgQdJo
Shouldn't be too much work to progress from chairs to tables.
Putting a feature request for a hidden achievement in our game...
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@zecc said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
: 360°_table_flip:@mzh said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@tsaukpaetra said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
I sense a new internet-sensation-challenge on the horizon!
The Germans seem in the development phase already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsVcMqgQdJo
Shouldn't be too much work to progress from chairs to tables.
The Chinese already have it covered:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkpRxdqm-Jw
Or if you want it slightly more daring:
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The Firefox apocalypse is here:
(actual screenshots captured, no edit)
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@marczellm so the onShown event was added in Firefox 60 so I downloaded Nightly and ported the extension.
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@marczellm said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
onShown event
is this for notifications.onshown? cause that was added in v56
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@bb36e said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@marczellm said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
onShown event
is this for notifications.onshown? cause that was added in v56
contextmenus.onshown
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This screenshot is from a video by the Prime Minister of Hungary.It shows that the disaster recovery agency is still using Firefox pre-Quantum, because some extension that couldn't be ported. (See custom stuff in titlebar, top right.)
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@marczellm said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
#appMenu-new-window-button, #appMenu-private-window-button, #appMenuRestoreLastSession, #appMenu-zoom-controls, #appMenu-edit-controls, #appMenu-library-button, #appMenu-open-file-button, #appMenu-save-file-button, #appMenu-print-button, #appMenu-find-button, #appMenu-quit-button, .panel-subview-body > toolbarseparator:not([class]) { display: none !important; }
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@topspin said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Who let fucking Jony Ive piss all over the user interface? First he brings this stupid flat fad to Apple, then Windows 8/10 copies it, then everybody else. What is this crap, like seriously? The effective size of the URL bar is literally 20% of the window width.
(Microsoft invented that style for the Zune.)
EDIT Oh geez I just realized how old this thread is. Oh well whatever.
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@blakeyrat said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@topspin said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Who let fucking Jony Ive piss all over the user interface? First he brings this stupid flat fad to Apple, then Windows 8/10 copies it, then everybody else. What is this crap, like seriously? The effective size of the URL bar is literally 20% of the window width.
(Microsoft invented that style for the Zune.)
EDIT Oh geez I just realized how old this thread is. Oh well whatever.
It never ceases to boggle my mind the number of times you see a thread on the SWTOR(1) forums, where someone asked a question in 2012, several people discussed it, and the thread died of sloth a couple of days later, then in 2018 someone finds the thread somehow, and gives all those people a stern lecture on how they are idiots and the game doesn't work like that at all.
At least the original thread here is only a year old...
(1) I'm absolutely totally 1000‰ sure that it happens in other MMORPG forums as well.
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@Steve_The_Cynic And then the mods make a post telling people off for necromancy and locks it without info, which shows up on all the blue trackers.
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Meanwhile Pale Moon just increased its major version number to 28, and I found it interesting that they have this special section in their 28.0.0 release notes:
What might be more important for people worrying about upgrading to this milestone is what hasn't changed.
- We continue to support NPAPI plugins.
- We continue to support complete themes as well as lightweight themes.
- We continue to offer a fully customizable interface like before. Australis (like seen in Basilisk) is not used.
- We continue to support XUL overlay, bootstrapped and (deprecated) Jetpack extensions (collectively called "legacy extensions" by Mozilla).
- We do not include any DRM in the browser (people needing this can use e.g. the Silverlight plugin to play protected content), even though the platform we build on supports it.
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More Firefox apocalypse: bookmark descriptions and "Open in Sidebar" feature removed, also some smart bookmark folders.
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@blakeyrat said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@topspin said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Who let fucking Jony Ive piss all over the user interface? First he brings this stupid flat fad to Apple, then Windows 8/10 copies it, then everybody else. What is this crap, like seriously? The effective size of the URL bar is literally 20% of the window width.
(Microsoft invented that style for the Zune.)
Then shame on them. And Ive's ugly shit isn't even original to boot.
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@marczellm said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
bookmark descriptions
As long as searchable tags stay.
and "Open in Sidebar" feature removed
I've never used or even seen that feature. That might have actually been useful, but oh well.
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@PleegWat said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@Steve_The_Cynic And then the mods make a post telling people off for necromancy and locks it without info, which shows up on all the blue trackers.
On the SWTOR forums, you usually get some snark from other players, and the forum mods basically ignore it. I've taken to thinking that "necro" in this sort of activity really means "necrotic" or "necrophilia"...
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@blek said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
unlike Firefox and all of its clones which consume slightly less than infinite memory but make almost every single website jittery as fuck, regardless of the hardware they run on.
have you tried Opera GX?
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@sh_code No, but the comment is three years old, I'm back on FF because it got better in the meantime.
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@Zerosquare said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
I was reading about this last night. Apparently they've also laid off everyone they've got working on developing tooling and an improved browser core (except for people located in countries whose laws mean this process takes considerably longer than it does in California).
Being critically dependent on a single organisation is always a precarious position.
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@Zerosquare
Note that it was later clarified that they laid off their IT incident management team, not the team that deals with browser security issues. Because the latter would be significantly more crazy.
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@dfdub said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
it was later clarified that they laid off their IT incident management team
So they're going to have fun with ransomware?
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Now that Firefox's death seems inevitable, I'd like to take a moment to remember why WebKit took over everything while everyone else shriveled: embeddability.
WebKit was designed to be super easy to port and embed inside your system of choice. Meanwhile Gecko's developers did not seem to give a damn about that market. So every single new internet-connected device that emerged in the 2000s was powered by either Opera's proprietary engine, or WebKit.
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@anonymous234 technical qualities didn’t actually matter, that’s why we had IE for so long and that’s why everyone is using Google shit now.
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I read a comment pointing out that the vast majority of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google, in exchange for making them the default search engine in Firefox. And that Google appeared to spend a lot of money on this for little gain, given how small Firefox' market share is today. Not to mention the elephant in the room of the whole "subsidizing your competitor" thing.
The speculation was that Google's goal is to keep Firefox on life support as a defense against any accusations of having a monopoly with Chrome. And because of this, the highly-paid Mozilla executives have little incentive to make their company successful enough to be a real obstacle for Google.
Makes me wonder.
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@Zerosquare said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
The speculation was that Google's goal is to keep Firefox on life support as a defense against any accusations of having a monopoly with Chrome.
Over the past 10+ years, Google has paid Mozilla somewhere around $3 Billion total. There is no reason for them to do that other than trying to maintain the illusion of having a competitor.
And because of this, the highly-paid Mozilla executives have little incentive to make their company successful enough to be a real obstacle for Google.
That's a very real problem for Mozilla. Google makes $120 Billion a year from selling advertising. Mozilla, not so much. If Mozilla suddenly started giving a shit about making a decent browser they risk losing all the free money that keeps pouring in. No more big salaries. No more big expensive offices.
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@Zerosquare said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
The speculation was that Google's goal is to keep Firefox on life support as a defense against any accusations of having a monopoly with Chrome.
Not only that, they also need someone to agree to their web standards proposals to make them look legitimate. With true competitors, someone might challenge their attempts to turn the web into an application platform for everything, which only benefits Google products.
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@dfdub Firefox Desktop is going a totally different route with regards to PWAs right now. Google “site specific browser”
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Has the Firefoxalypse happened yet?
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@CodeJunkie you wish!