Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far
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@Zecc said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
But then they went mental with glossiness with Windows 7 and super-flat with latter Windowses.
I'm able to tolerate both, flatness being preferred if I have to choose.
What I can't tolerate is the new "settings" windows, that take up huge amounts of space to present 3 options, and then I still have to go to "old" control panel dialogs to actually get shit done. Can I just skip the "fatfinger" section, please?
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@Onyx said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Can I just skip the "fatfinger" section, please?
Yes. Right click the start button and choose "control panel"
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@Onyx said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Can I just skip the "fatfinger" section, please?
But if you do that, then you're a dinosaur hanging onto an outdated design because you're afraid of change :P
Like I am, as I also prefer the old Control Panel.
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@Zecc said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Fisher-Price taskbar
I kinda like the plastic look.
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@RaceProUK said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@Onyx said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Can I just skip the "fatfinger" section, please?
But if you do that, then you're a dinosaur hanging onto an outdated design because you're afraid of change :P
Like I am, as I also prefer the old Control Panel.
It's not even a matter of preference, it's the matter of options literally not being there! So I have to click
Advanced
or whatever every single time, which gets me the old UI regardless. I think I manage to change what I need in the new UI like 2% of the time.
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@Onyx At least the percentage is going up: before the Anniversary Update, it was 1%
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@anonymous234 said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@Zecc said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Fisher-Price taskbar
I kinda like the plastic look.
So do I. Don't tell anyone.
Edit: this was my 5555th post in this forum.
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@Onyx said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
I think I manage to change what I need in the new UI like 2% of the time.
What are you changing? I think i find most of what I need in the new UI now.
I still don't like it, but it has the things I need.
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@Jaloopa said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@Onyx said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Can I just skip the "fatfinger" section, please?
Yes. Right click the start button and choose "control panel"
That was removed beginning with one of the recent insider preview builds
The old control panel is still there (for now) but getting to it is a lot more non-obvious. You have to find something that still uses it for managing its settings. That was pretty much the final insult that drove me back to Windows 7.
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@El_Heffe said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
That was removed beginning with one of the recent insider preview builds
+ control panel + ENTER ???
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I mostly don't even open the settings or control panel apps directly. I just search for the setting I need and the result opens the correct version.
Except when it opens Settings and all there is is a link to the Control Panel option. That's annoying
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@loopback0 said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
What are you changing? I think i find most of what I need in the new UI now.
I still don't like it, but it has the things I need.Network settings, mostly, since the work laptop goes places with weird network setups. The fancy new network dialog is useless.
Also, I love it how it shows VPN connections in the popup thing, but you still need to open settings to click connect. Also, the way that it sometimes doesn't show the connect button until you switch to another... tab? screen? (what do you call these "sections" now?) and then back again.
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@Onyx said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@loopback0 said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
What are you changing? I think i find most of what I need in the new UI now.
I still don't like it, but it has the things I need.Network settings, mostly, since the work laptop goes places with weird network setups. The fancy new network dialog is useless.
Also, I love it how it shows VPN connections in the popup thing, but you still need to open settings to click connect. Also, the way that it sometimes doesn't show the connect button until you switch to another... tab? screen? (what do you call these "sections" now?) and then back again.
Yeah, that always amused me.
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@Jaloopa said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Except when it opens Settings and all there is is a link to the Control Panel option. That's annoying
Anniversary Edition seems to have made the scenic route via Settings the main road to choosing a desktop theme. Also, Windows Search returns nothing for "theme" if you have Cortana turned off. Which, considering she's still completely worthless in Australia, I naturally do.
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@flabdablet said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Anniversary Edition seems to have made the scenic route via Settings the main road to choosing a desktop theme.
Right-click Desktop > Personalise ;)
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@RaceProUK said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Right-click Desktop > Personalise
...which takes you to the Settings app, in which you can click Themes in the left pane, at which point a lonely link labelled something like "Choose theme" appears in the right pane, which takes you to the old Personalize window. As I said: the scenic route.
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@flabdablet said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
at which point a lonely link labelled something like "Choose theme" appears in the right pane
It's not lonely, there's Related Settings lifting it's morale!
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@flabdablet said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
the scenic route
Isn't that the point of themes, to set pretty, scenic pictures on your desktop?
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@Tsaukpaetra The contrast on those links is terrible.
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@HardwareGeek said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@flabdablet said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
the scenic route
Isn't that the point of themes, to set pretty, scenic pictures on your desktop?
They've been neutered to the point that that's basically all they do now, yeah.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
that's basically all they do now
Also changing all the system sounds so you don't know WTF any one of them means any more. Don't forget that vital piece of functionality.
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@flabdablet said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
that's basically all they do now
Also changing all the system sounds so you don't know WTF any one of them means any more. Don't forget that vital piece of functionality.
Fuck fucking themes, the fuckers.
Turn off system sounds; but wait, there's a theme, so it turns it back on when the theme rotates.
Turn off screen saver. But wait, there's a theme, so the screensaver goes back to "blank the screen after one fucking minute".
Fuck themes.
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{highlights a Youtube URL} CTRL+C
{opens command prompt}
D:\DOWNLOAD\youtube-dl
{by instinct} CTRL+V
fuck i always do that in a command prompt now i'm going to have to hit backspace to remove the^V
that shows up and...
D:\DOWNLOAD\youtube-dl https://youtube.com/watch?v=sdkfjlakdhfuahsdkfjaskdjfiwthisisafakeurlbtwyoudumbfuckalksdjfoiuheiuhweuf
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... omgWINDOWS 10 FINALLY DID SOMETHING BETTER AND SIGNIFICANTLY MORE USEFUL THAN A PREVIOUS VERSION OF WINDOWS!
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@lorne-kates *suppresses initial reaction of "God damn it, FB Kates"*
*opens a Command Prompt and tries it*Holy fucking shit, how did I not know about this!
On the other hand, that's just one more thing that's going to piss me off now when I switch back to Win7/Win2008 machines in the course of work along with the lack of the Win+X shortcuts. :(
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@lorne-kates If you switch to PowerShell, you can also use things like Ctrl Z. Also, PowerShell's had that functionality since forever. They're updating their legacy tools here, which is even cooler.
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@lorne-kates Also in the "something better" department, try updating the
PATH
environment variable.Windows pre-10:
Windows 10:
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@pie_flavor said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@lorne-kates If you switch to PowerShell, you can also use things like Ctrl Z. Also, PowerShell's had that functionality since forever. They're updating their legacy tools here, which is even cooler.
Eh. For some value of "forever".
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@lorne-kates if Ctrl+V is paste, I assume Ctrl+C is copy. If Ctrl+C is copy... how do you kill running program?
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@gąska If you push Ctrl C and you have text selected, it's copy. If you don't, it's 'kill program'.
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@dcoder said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
What. Microsoft is making all these cool changes without telling anyone.
On the negative side: Microsoft is making all these changes without telling anyone.
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@lorne-kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
{highlights a Youtube URL} CTRL+C
{opens command prompt}
D:\DOWNLOAD\youtube-dl
{by instinct} CTRL+VThis is one of the places where X's primary selection and middle click to paste really shines.
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@heterodox I guess you don't follow the same social media places I do, but they were definitely advertising these changes when they were being released, even in the patch notes. To me that counts as telling everyone.
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@lb_ said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@heterodox I guess you don't follow the same social media places I do, but they were definitely advertising these changes when they were being released, even in the patch notes. To me that counts as telling everyone.
I don't think people in the industry should have to follow "social media". But I will concede that I only check patch notes for Windows Server 2012, which wouldn't have these changes (Windows 10 ~ Windows Server 2016).
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@heterodox said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
I don't think people in the industry should have to follow "social media". But I will concede that I only check patch notes for Windows Server 2012, which wouldn't have these changes (Windows 10 ~ Windows Server 2016).
I question if this is even in a release note.
.windows "release notes" paste cmd.exe
Not that I can see.
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@lorne-kates https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2014/10/07/console-improvements-in-the-windows-10-technical-preview/
Search query:paste command prompt site:blogs.windows.com
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@dcoder said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@lorne-kates Also in the "something better" department, try updating the
PATH
environment variable.Windows pre-10:
Windows 10:
Fuck, I would be happy if all they changed was to make the window resizable.
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@gąska said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@lorne-kates if Ctrl+V is paste, I assume Ctrl+C is copy. If Ctrl+C is copy... how do you kill running program?
You use ALT-F4 like a civilized GUI user. Or in extreme cases, use Ctrl-Esc to pull up Task Manager and kill it that way.
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@heterodox said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
On the other hand, that's just one more thing that's going to piss me off now when I switch back to Win7/Win2008 machines
Using the Windows command prompt always pisses me off because I've been using a third party replacement for cmd.exe that has allowed Crtl-V for paste since the days of Windows 2000. I guess a couple decades late is better than never.
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@bb36e Doesn't take long. I have an SSD.
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@el_heffe said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Using the Linux Terminal prompt always pisses me off because I've been using a XTerm that has allowed Middle click for paste since the days of BSD386 1992. I guess a couple decades later I don't get to use Ctrl + V at all because each DE environment uses a different clipboard library and none of them are compatible with my terminal of choice.
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@lucas1 BTW MacOS does this fucking shite thing where once you open at terminal ... CTRL becomes CTRL again and CMD doesn't exist.
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@GodEmperor said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@GodEmperor BTW MacOS does this fucking shite thing where once you open at terminal ... CTRL becomes CTRL again and CMD doesn't exist.
When did macos become windows 10?
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@boomzilla Why? It works in Windows.
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@el_heffe Why not use a first-party replacement by the name of PowerShell?
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@pie_flavor because it replaces shell, not terminal.
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@pie_flavor said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@boomzilla Why? It works in Windows.
They have primary selection now? When did that start?
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@boomzilla I dunno. I just use it and it works. Left click drag to select, right click to copy.
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@boomzilla said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@pie_flavor said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@boomzilla Why? It works in Windows.
They have primary selection now? When did that start?
Like, Windows XP? I think? Maybe Vista.
I was called "Quick Edit" mode, and it's enabled by default for some fucking reason:
Only thing, prior to Windows 10, you would select (by left clicking) then pressing Enter instead of Ctrl+C to copy, and right-click to paste instead of Ctrl+V.
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@pie_flavor said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@boomzilla I dunno. I just use it and it works. Left click drag to select, right click to copy.
In other words: no.