Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats
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@FrostCat I can't really tell you, as I said I've never driven a car with an automatic transmission before, so I don't have experience with anything else. I'm not saying ATs are bad, it was just an anecdote. However, I checked some reviews from when that model was new and reviewers generally agree that the transmission in the AT version is really slow.
This model had a gasoline engine, the only one ever offered - a 1 liter 3-cylinder one that does 50 kW at peak output. The car's power to weight ratio isn't too bad, 50 kW/~67 hp to 890 kg curb weight = 75 hp/ton means it's actually better than some lower end family cars commonly offered in Europe.
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@blek Having driven both manual and automatics, I like manuals better. But Subaru took the manual option away from the current (well, when I bought in 2015) Outback. The CVT is nice, but I still like manual better. (and it's been 10yrs since I had one)
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@dcon I can't wait until CVTs are more available. Pairing one of those with a 700 ft-lb of torque Duramax would be
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@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I can't wait until CVTs are more available.
It's not that they're unavailable, it's that cuntsumers are so used to the shifting that manufacturers and dealers are having a tough time getting sales because of things like "it doesn't sound right" or even "it doesn't feel right".
Filed under: I'm going to leave that typo there for wet raisins...
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@blek said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I don't think I've ever seen anyone wear an Apple watch.
You've not missed much. They don't look all that great; too blocky still.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
It's not that they're unavailable, it's that cuntsumers are so used to the shifting that manufacturers and dealers are having a tough time getting sales because of things like "it doesn't sound right" or even "it doesn't feel right".
That did take a little getting used to... But considering I hate how regular automatics shift (coming from a manual where a change means now not some time in the future then the transmission feels like it), that didn't take long!
Mine will still "shift" if I accelerate hard. Or I can hold the tach at just over 2000rpm and increase to highway speed nice and steadily.
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@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
It's not that they're unavailable, it's that cuntsumers are so used to the shifting that manufacturers and dealers are having a tough time getting sales because of things like "it doesn't sound right" or even "it doesn't feel right".
That did take a little getting used to... But considering I hate how regular automatics shift (coming from a manual where a change means now not some time in the future then the transmission feels like it), that didn't take long!
Mine will still "shift" if I accelerate hard. Or I can hold the tach at just over 2000rpm and increase to highway speed nice and steadily.
Yeah, I have a whole subsystem translation module for Automatics and how to treat them/get them to behave like Manuals.
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@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
it's kind of fun smoking people with sports cars in my minivan because they can't upshift without losing all forward momentum.
If you're going to drive a manual well, you need to learn the engine, gearbox and clutch. It takes a little bit of effort, but it can be quite rewarding. Get it right and you can really control the car well; you have an advantage over any current automatic transmission control system in that you can predict what the road conditions are going to be like in 5 seconds.
Where automatics really shine (especially when coupled with adaptive cruise control) is in heavy traffic.
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@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
coming from a manual where a change means now not some time in the future then the transmission feels like it
Hey, try not using 40-year-old cars. I just pointed my '95 Ford. It's just a matter of correct application of pressure to the accelerator.
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@blek said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
my friend's Toyota Aygo
I would rather slide down a cactus crotch first than to drive such a thing.
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@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
it's kind of fun smoking people with sports cars in my minivan because they can't upshift without losing all forward momentum.
I would very much like to see your minivan smoke my sports car. A kid working in the timeslip booth at the local dragstrip berated* me for only trapping 108 MPH (on a hot summer evening with the engine conveniently heatsoaked), suggesting that minivans were capable of such speeds (when built up and probably nowhere near street legal). So you should stand a chance!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I get a kick out of being first off the line at almost any intersection because I can immediately accelerate (because I don't have to lift my foot off the brake and then put it on the accelerator) as soon as it's safe. That extra second of response time means that my dinky little 4-cyl truck seems faster than these honking gas guzzlers next to me.
I know it's only perception, and most could easily surpass me if anyone really wanted to try, but it's still fun. :D
It's less fun if you have a performance car, because if you take off quickly, idiots think you want to race.
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@Polygeekery said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Groaner said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I could also just not buy automatic transmissions but all the truck manufacturers took that choice away already.
Because modern automatics are better in almost every way?
Except fun factor.
Counterpoint: I can drive an automatic and masturbate at the same time.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I get a kick out of being first off the line at almost any intersection because I can immediately accelerate (because I don't have to lift my foot off the brake and then put it on the accelerator) as soon as it's safe.
.... yeah. I can do that in an automatic. Even with a 2011 Hyundai Elantra wagon.
Coast slightly as the other way is turning yellow (or the advance is expiring). Be aware of cross traffic. You accelerate 1-2 seconds before everyone else.
It's called "knowing how to drive".
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@Yamikuronue said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@groo You do, however, have to intentionally use a useless feature in an unsafe manner....
so basically it'll catch everyone ever.
Lots of such devices has and uses "autoupdate" feature. And it's well known that those servers can be hacked. (Mint Linux's repository has been hacked and have malware injected a number of times)
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@Groaner said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I would very much like to see your minivan smoke my sports car.
Do you know how to accelerate properly with a stick? My minivan's got good pickup for a 2.5-ton lead sled, but I don't hold any illusions someone with an actual sports car who knows how to use it couldn't beat me. The point was zipping past some guy in a Charger, say, who then slowed to a crawl going into 2nd, then again on 3rd, and so on, is funny.
I know I can hit 100, but it takes a while, and I've only got S-rated or whatever the default tires are, so I don't want to try to go faster than that.
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@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Do you know how to accelerate properly with a stick?
Nope, because I drive an automatic!
My minivan's got good pickup for a 2.5-ton lead sled, but I don't hold any illusions someone with an actual sports car who knows how to use it couldn't beat me. The point was zipping past some guy in a Charger, say, who then slowed to a crawl going into 2nd, then again on 3rd, and so on, is funny.
Oh, I had a very interesting race against a manual C6 vette convertible several months ago. We had identical 60ft times and I was even with him up to the 1/8th mile mark for that very reason, until he was in high gear (and done shifting) and his superior power-to-weight ratio took over.
I know I can hit 100, but it takes a while, and I've only got S-rated or whatever the default tires are, so I don't want to try to go faster than that.
Not an unreasonable position.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
It's called "knowing how to drive".
Yeah, I was hoping nobody would notice how I covered up the more obvious reason why I was first. ;)
Nobody really knows how to drive.
Another fun thing to do: Not have my foot on the brakes means that the car behind me is consistently three lengths behind after such an event because they didn't notice I moved from my brake lights turning off.
What's funny is that this effect occurs to a lesser degree beforehand too, most people stop at least a car length behind me.
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@Fox said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@blek Ugh, I just saw someone wearing one this weekend.
You should've taken a picture.
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@Fox said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@FrostCat I'm reasonably certain that a malicious jpg printed out on sturdy enough paper could hack through an old-fashioned thermostat if the paper is swung fast enough and the thermostat is weak enough.
The trick is to roll up the paper tight enough. Extra sheets can be substituted for sturdiness.
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@Polygeekery said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@blek said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
my friend's Toyota Aygo
I would rather slide down a cactus crotch first than to drive such a thing.
Nonsense. It would be super fun on the golf course.
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
You could just not buy that garbage.
That's what they said about Facebook.
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
An automatic transmission's functionality is a superset of a manual's.
Not so. If I've been a dickhead and parked with my headlights on, and now my starter motor won't turn the engine over, my manual transmission lets me roll-start the car. Autos can't do that.
And of course you can argue that an auto driver in the same position could just get a jump start, but that doesn't alter the fact that roll starting is still something a manual transmission allows that an auto one doesn't, which is enough to demonstrate that an auto's functionality is not strictly a superset of a manual's. QED achievement unlocked
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Autos can't do that.
I never did get around to properly trying this, but in one of my cars if I left it in drive (and never shifted to neutral or park) it should have allowed a push start so long as I could get the car moving at least 23 mph. At that point though it's much more dangerous to execute.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
23 mph
I've roll-started my (manual) Daihatsu Mira on the flat after getting it up to speed by sticking my leg out the driver's door and scooting.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
23 mph
I've roll-started my (manual) Daihatsu Mira on the flat after getting it up to speed by sticking my leg out the driver's door and scooting.
Yeah, like I said, not tested because obvious difficulties.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
You could just not buy that garbage.
That's what they said about Facebook.
I'm a proud not owner of a Facebook account. Still. Although sometimes it is kinda hard.
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@kt_ for a long time I was content to use it primarily because with it comes Messenger, which is among my favorite IM/text methods for various reasons. I'm starting to lean towards Telegram now, though now FB itself has sucked me in a fair bit, and I think I actually... don't want to get rid of it. God, what have I done?
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
parked with my headlights on
Ludite without automatic lights
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@Groaner said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
it's kind of fun smoking people with sports cars in my minivan because they can't upshift without losing all forward momentum.
I would very much like to see your minivan smoke my sports car. A kid working in the timeslip booth at the local dragstrip berated* me for only trapping 108 MPH (on a hot summer evening with the engine conveniently heatsoaked), suggesting that minivans were capable of such speeds (when built up and probably nowhere near street legal). So you should stand a chance!
I've done 108 in a minivan before. Granted, it was down a pretty long hill. IIRC the speedo pegged at 100, so I'm guessing a bit, but yeah.
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@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
person in a city of a million people
@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Not even close to much of anything, TBH
You have a weird idea of not close to anywhere
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@Jaloopa We're like an island in an ocean of corn and soybeans.
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@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
We're like an island in an ocean of porn
First parsing didn't went well ...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
What's funny is that this effect occurs to a lesser degree beforehand too, most people stop at least a car length behind me.
I wish I lived in a place where drivers were as courteous as yours. Out here, tailgating is the rule, not the exception, both while driving and while stopped. (And yes, it's still tailgating while stopped, and it's still dangerous, because even if you're stopped, the guy coming up behind you could hit you into the car ahead of you. I've been hit by such a "cue-ball" car before, so this is not simply a theoretical concern to me!)
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
f I've been a dickhead and parked with my headlights on, and now my starter motor won't turn the engine over,
Why wouldn't it? In my car, it automatically turns off the lights after a few minutes if I leave them on. Even interior lights.
But I am still in the "I love manual transmissions, when I am not driving in traffic" camp. But give me an auto for a commuter car.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
If I've been a dickhead and parked with my headlights on, and now my starter motor won't turn the engine over,
Modern cars have this feature where the headlights turn off a minute or so after you turn off the ignition.
my manual transmission lets me roll-start the car. Autos can't do that.
Don't you need a hill for that, though? That wouldn't be helpful, for example, for me, as my apartment's on flat ground.
I don't think I personally have ever had a dead battery where I couldn't find someone within a couple minutes to give me a jump start (or a coworker to take me to an auto parts store to get a new battery). Things might be different if you live way out in the boonies, of course, but if I lived in the boonies I'd probably get one of those battery charge maintainers.
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@anotherusername said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I've done 108 in a minivan before. Granted, it was down a pretty long hill. IIRC the speedo pegged at 100
I was on a toll road in Dallas the time I got it up to 100 so there were several obvious reasons I didn't try to push it past 100. The speed marks on the dash go up to 120 or 140, I forget which.
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A long time ago the family minivan was a 1995 Dodge Grand Caravan. It had no problem reaching 100 mph in a reasonable time, but since this was on hilly, twisty county highways I never pushed it past that.
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@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Don't you need a hill for that, though?
No, just enough velocity to get enough compression. On flat ground it may be more than one person can accomplish, but two or three can easily achieve it. (Source: personal experience.)
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@Groaner said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I could also just not buy automatic transmissions but all the truck manufacturers took that choice away already.
Because modern automatics are better in almost every way?
Haha, no, because EPA and CARB have mandated that consumer vehicles get as much gas mileage as a fucking motorcycle within ten years, while also having 70 Takata air bags and other "safety" shit that adds to the weight, and manual transmissions are too "inefficient" to help the cartels meet those fatwas.
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@Luhmann said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Ludite without automatic lights
My car has both automatic lights and a battery large enough to keep the headlights on for approximately 16 months. (Note to pedantic dickweeds: I made that number up.)
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@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
and manual transmissions are too "inefficient" to help the cartels meet those fatwas.
Are you trying to imply that's false?
Because it ain't. In fact, the most efficient gasoline cars all have continuously variable transmissions, and those are fundamentally incompatible with being manuals.
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@blakeyrat The point is, it should be up to the car buyer, not anyone else, as to what features they can have in their car. Most of the orders handed down by EPA and CARB are pure watermelon.
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@lolwhat I want watermelons in my new car also.
Honest question, do you think I should be able to walk into a Ford dealership and buy this thing off the lot:
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@Polygeekery said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
give me an auto for a commuter car
I've never found operating a manual to be even slightly more onerous than operating an auto, so I simply can't justify the extra cost and system complexity.
It's the other way round, if anything; driving an auto triggers enough counterproductive muscle-memory actions to be kind of annoying. I know perfectly well in my head that I don't need to shift from neutral to first when I'm driving my wife's auto and a light is about to turn green, but that hasn't always been enough to stop my stupid hand shoving the lever from D to N.
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Are you trying to imply that's false?
Come now. Everyone[1] knows that, since the driver absolutely controls when the shift happens, manuals are totes more fuel efficient than the car itself, because these people don't know what an ECU does.
[1] that's "manual-transmission snobs" to you.
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@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Don't you need a hill for that, though?
Not in a 3 cylinder 700kg Daihatsu Mira you don't. Provided the battery still has enough charge to operate the ignition, I can roll-start my car on the flat at a slow walking pace.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I've never found operating a manual to be even slightly more onerous than operating an auto
Spoken like someone who doesn't regularly drive 20 miles through downtown major-city traffic, where the speed varies more or less continuously over the range 0..40 mph.
I mean, maybe you are used to driving in heavy stop-and-go traffic and still don't find shifting bothersome, and that's fine. But I don't know how you can say it's easier.
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@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
someone who doesn't regularly drive 20 miles through downtown major-city traffic
Yeah, that's me. I escaped the city 15 years ago.
It's a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
and manual transmissions are too "inefficient" to help the cartels meet those fatwas.
Are you trying to imply that's false?
Because it ain't. In fact, the most efficient gasoline cars all have continuously variable transmissions, and those are fundamentally incompatible with being manuals.
You need to learn the difference between correlation and causation.