Lime scooters
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One of the plaintiffs in the new lawsuit, Tina Ogata, says that she "tripped over three Lime Scooters that were left on the sidewalk," resulting in a broken left wrist and ring finger. Other co-plaintiffs allege similar injuries.
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@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
Apparently they aren't even unique!
Yeah, was going to mention they have Birds here in Memphis and other cities. Not to mention the Explore Bikes and I think in NYC they have City Bikes. I have seen several people bust their faces on the pavement. Aside from that it's mostly hipster douche bags using them.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
I think the USA is the only place where this kind of thing would last more than 24 hours.
I'm not so sure about that
This wasn't Hitchbot's first trip, either. Last year the robot successfully travelled across Canada, and in the past it's made it across Germany and the Netherlands as well. The Americans, it turns out, have proved not quite so friendly to our metallic cousins.
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@hungrier said in Lime scooters:
Must've ran into a couple of guys who were up to no good
They started making trouble in the neighborhood?
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
they need a better press team
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@Zerosquare, thanks for the reminder on this thread.
So we have a client that owns several properties in the downtown area of our city and the president has been leading the charge against these things. People would ride them and then leave them all over the fucking place. He tried contacting the scooter company and they were completely unhelpful and did everything but tell him to go get fucked.
So his next contact was his lawyer to find out exactly where city property and easement ends and his property begins and now the security guards and maintenance guys have a task added to their daily work that they really seem to enjoy. Any scooter that is across the line gets thrown in the dumpster with the rest of the litter. This all amuses me very much.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
the President
THAT FASCIST DRUMPF?!?
Oh, the president of your client. Carry on.
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@Polygeekery Send them to China. I hear they need Nine
MBillion Bicycles in Beijing.
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@topspin said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery Send them to China. I hear they need Nine
MBillion Bicycles in Beijing.No, China has stopped taking foreign garbage shipments.
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@Polygeekery: Those scooters must be pretty cheap to them, because the companies seem not to care at all about the abandoned/damaged ones.
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@Zerosquare
The scooters were purchased with sweet, sweet OPM from some VCs. Bonus points if the company management gets kickbacks or buys them from an uncle.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
@hardwaregeek said in Lime scooters:
@polygeekery Probably, but I'm not sure. I don't even remember what I wrote the other day [...].
Murder.
But @HardwareGeek isn't a "she."
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@djls45 said in Lime scooters:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
@hardwaregeek said in Lime scooters:
@polygeekery Probably, but I'm not sure. I don't even remember what I wrote the other day [...].
Murder.
But @HardwareGeek isn't a "she."
Never know with those alternate personalities...
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@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
@topspin said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery Send them to China. I hear they need Nine
MBillion Bicycles in Beijing.No, China has stopped taking foreign garbage shipments.
Yes, now they are the one shipping their garbage to other countries. They just add an Apple sticker to it first.
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@Polygeekery Not to rain on that particular parade but that's a very bad idea.
Or do you guys also simply throw your lead-acid car batteries into the dumpster?
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@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
Or do you guys also simply throw your lead-acid car batteries into the dumpster?
You can, but it is wasteful. It is not necessarily harmful though.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
Or do you guys also simply throw your lead-acid car batteries into the dumpster?
You can, but it is wasteful. It is not necessarily harmful though.
Only if you want your dump sites to become toxic hellsites. And by that I mean: Toxic. And not merely unhealthy.
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@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
Only if you want your dump sites to become toxic hellsites.
Lead is the least of those worries, and our landfills are highly contained. There is no danger.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
Only if you want your dump sites to become toxic hellsites.
Lead is the least of those worries, and our landfills are highly contained. There is no danger.
Riiiight...
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@Rhywden maybe in Germany you guys just dump trash in valleys and hope for the best, but landfills are extensively constructed here. I know this well because I spent 3 years building them.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@Rhywden maybe in Germany you guys just dump trash in valleys and hope for the best, but landfills are extensively constructed here. I know this well because I spent 3 years building them.
All of them? All over the US? You must've been pretty busy then.
But sure, I'll trust the word of a guy who thinks that burying a mixture of heavy metal and concentrated acid is a good way to get rid of something.
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@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
All of them? All over the US? You must've been pretty busy then.
I seriously doubt they are shipping our trash to landfills in California, but yes, they are all heavily regulated. We were building them to EPA standards.
@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
But sure, I'll trust the word of a guy who thinks that burying a mixture of heavy metal and concentrated acid is a good way to get rid of something.
Dude, what do you think is going to happen? We are not just burying it in holes and hoping for the best.
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I always drain my batteries by shorting the terminals with a wrench and then dumping the acid down my toilet before I throw them away.
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@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
All of them? All over the US?
Landfills are heavily regulated in all civilised countries, in EU too. Popular belief that they are just holes in the ground is stupefying.
You could pour whole tank truck of battery acid directly 'on the ground' in a landfill and nothing would happen.
There, first image from 'landfill constrution' search:
https://www.mwatoday.com/webres/Image/news/07-jul/landfill-enhanced-website.png
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@MrL said in Lime scooters:
There, first image from 'landfill constrution' search:
Yep. All of that brings back memories. Also worth noting is that the leachate that is pumped out is then processed to reclaim all of the heavy metals and other valuable stuff and then is further purified and neutralized before being pumped in to the sanitary sewer to go to a water treatment plant. Landfills are amazing feats of engineering and building them was an enlightening 3 years.
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@Polygeekery Right. Here's food for thought: All this expensive processing and reclaiming would not be necessary if you didn't throw the toxic stuff into a landfill in the first place.
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@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery Right. Here's food for thought: All this expensive processing and reclaiming would not be necessary if you didn't throw the toxic stuff into a landfill in the first place.
What's the alternative? Trust everyone to be perfectly disciplined and never throw out the environmentally harmful stuff?
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@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery Right. Here's food for thought: All this expensive processing and reclaiming would not be necessary if you didn't throw the toxic stuff into a landfill in the first place.
No, it absolutely still would be. Trash is nasty stuff. Unless your landfill is in Death Valley there will be rain. That rain will eventually fill up the cell, all the while washing through all sorts of interesting things and even if you do not dump batteries and other stuff there are still plenty of chemicals that will interact in interesting ways. You still have to process it.
And, you are completely missing the point that the processing plants are profitable. They make money off of this. Lead and other stuff can be quite valuable. A local range gets $0.50/lb for their range scrap which is almost entirely lead with a bit of copper. It doesn't take much lead to make a pound The ingots I purchase are 1.3"x.835"x2.835" and are roughly a pound each.
Just face it man, you are completely wrong. Now stop making an ass of yourself.
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My father was in charge of landfills (among many other things) during his career as a public works director at the county and municipal levels. Let's just say that I trust @Polygeekery's opinion over that of a certain other person in this thread.
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@Captain said in Lime scooters:
@pie_flavor We had "commie bikes" at my college. One of the clubs would go to the city's thrift stores and buy up 50 or so kids bikes every year. They'd leave them all over campus for everybody to share. It was awesome.
People keep upvoting this so here:
TL;DR: they kept the tradition going since 2000 or so.
give me forumpointssssss!!!
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Both the cafeteria and the on-campus store were closed. But there was a Lime scooter right outside my dorm building, so I was able to zip to a burrito restaurant and back and be basically inactive the entire time meaning I think I only took like ten breaths of this horrendous air the whole trip. Did I mention these scooters are a godsend?
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Not Lime, but close enough:
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4 days they lasted in Copenhagen.
They seemingly forgot to check if that kind of electrical scooter is legal here. It isn't.
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@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
Not Lime, but close enough:
So... just what is Bird supposed to do when it "should know that e-scooters have been placed on private property without obtaining consent"?
I mean, are they supposed to tell someone to go trespass on the private property to remove it?
Isn't that basically what's going to happen anyway?
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@anotherusername said in Lime scooters:
So... just what is Bird supposed to do when it "should know that e-scooters have been placed on private property without obtaining consent"?
I mean, are they supposed to tell someone to go trespass on the private property to remove it?
Isn't that basically what's going to happen anyway?That's easy!! Auto-charge the consumer $50 if they don't leave the scooter in an approved location! PROFIT!
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@anotherusername said in Lime scooters:
@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
Not Lime, but close enough:
So... just what is Bird supposed to do when it "should know that e-scooters have been placed on private property without obtaining consent"?
I mean, are they supposed to tell someone to go trespass on the private property to remove it?
Isn't that basically what's going to happen anyway?
Yeah, that's kind of a problem for their business model, isn't it?
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Is the Pacific Ocean a private property?
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@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
@anotherusername said in Lime scooters:
@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
Not Lime, but close enough:
https://qz.com/1484162/electric-scooter-company-bird-is-being-sued-for-trespass/So... just what is Bird supposed to do when it "should know that e-scooters have been placed on private property without obtaining consent"?
I mean, are they supposed to tell someone to go trespass on the private property to remove it?
Isn't that basically what's going to happen anyway?
Yeah, that's kind of a problem for their business model, isn't it?
No? I mean, not yet...
Surely you don't think that Bird can be held liable for what people do with its scooters, right? That would be like holding gun manufacturers liable for mass shootings.
"They should reasonably know this" comes at a time when it's already too late -- someone left the scooter on private property. Bird could try to punish its customers for doing this, but how is it in their best interest to do so? There's nothing to incentivize them to punish their own paying customers, unless it's to avoid being punished themselves for something that isn't their fault and which they couldn't reasonably have prevented.
Remember the big flap about people who would "Pokemon Go" on to private property? That wasn't all that long ago.
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@anotherusername said in Lime scooters:
Surely you don't think that Bird can be held liable for what people do with its scooters, right? That would be like holding gun manufacturers liable for mass shootings.
It seems to be a part of their plan, actually, for people to dump the scooters everywhere.
@anotherusername said in Lime scooters:
Remember the big flap about people who would "Pokemon Go" on to private property? That wasn't all that long ago.
I don't remember people leaving obstacles behind when they were doing that.
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@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
I don't remember people leaving obstacles behind when they were doing that.
Except the ones that got run over by cars, they left dead bodies behind
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@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
It seems to be a part of their plan, actually, for people to dump the scooters everywhere.
On public property, sure.
They could have some fine print in their user agreement that says that its users may not trespass on private property and accept sole liability for trespassing if they do so -- like Niantic did.
I don't remember people leaving obstacles behind when they were doing that.
Ne'er thought I'd see a day when @boomzilla defended kids for trespassing on his lawn...
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@anotherusername said in Lime scooters:
@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
I don't remember people leaving obstacles behind when they were doing that.
Ne'er thought I'd see a day when @boomzilla defended kids for trespassing on his lawn...
And you still haven't.
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@boomzilla It was close enough for the record books, anyway.