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@topspin said in Internet of shit:
Have y’all tried programming these fucking thermostats? I’ve actually read the instruction manual (not sure if it counted at as “smart” but it’s got a screen) and I still couldn’t figure it out.
It's also possible you programmed it, but somebody changed the programming:
Bettridge's Law fails. The answer may be yes.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Internet of shit:
@izzion I am surprised. Who could have thought of that?
And then there was also the discussion of electric appliances which could be programmed to start when electricity prices were low, e.g. washing machines. They'd then start at the same moment, causing a price hike...
IoT is our fueature.You'd think anyone who has dealt with networks of more than a few dozen devices would be familiar with thundering herds and how to avoid them, but no …
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@loopback0 said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
That’s kind of the whole point of a thermostat: turn on when the temperature drops below a certain value.
Duh.
I don't know anyone who heats their house overnight while they're asleep though.
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@JBert said in Internet of shit:
@JBert Seems it didn't onebox...
Another try but with pictures now:
Apparently the release of a pop artist's lesson broke the system?
Those goddamn Pelotons must be built extremely well if they are able to hold up Lizzo.
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@loopback0 maybe, but it fits better here.
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@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
You'd think anyone who has dealt with networks of more than a few dozen devices would be familiar with thundering herds and how to avoid them, but no …
I didn't know the CS term for it. Thanks, now I do
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@cvi said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla With the clarity of Monday mornings, I can see one advantage of this thing, though.
If one fills up the bottle with hard liquor, the bottle will remind one regularly (I assume) that one is not drunk enough yet to deal with said Monday morning. Just in case one forgets.
It'll probably detect an unauthorized substance and make you buy DLC to unlock it
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@hungrier said in Internet of shit:
It'll probably detect an unauthorized substance and make you buy DLC to unlock it
Back when our state didn't allow Sunday alcohol sales I discovered one Sunday afternoon that the bottle of John Daniel's I had purchased the day before still had the anti-theft cap on it. Going back to the store and having them remove it wasn't much of an option and it wasn't the type that just needed a strong magnet to unlock. It required a specifically shaped piece of sheet metal as a key. So what to do? I mean, being sober on a Sunday is not really a satisfactory option.
I loaded a slitting disc into an angle grinder and attempted surgery on a bottle of booze. Very delicately (or as delicately as a man can when he's spent 20 years as a functional alcoholic) I sliced off that stupid anti-theft cap (which I should also point out appeared to be defective). Just a millimeter too deep and there's a good chance the bottle would break and I might have to go sober. A millimeter too shallow and the bottle wouldn't open and I might have to go sober.
That was one of the many times that my wife told me that it was quite possible that I had a drinking problem but I managed to remove that stupid not-anti-theft cap with only the slightest graze to the label on the bottle.
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I'm a bit disappointed. I'd have expected you to 3D print the key, or pick the lock.
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
or pick the lock.
I did. With an angle grinder. You should know by now that I'm more of a "brute force and ignorance" sort of guy.
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
or pick the lock
Here's the other thing, you only pick a lock if you care about keeping it functional, you don't want to make a lot of noise or as a demonstration of skill. I love 'The Lock Picking Lawyer' videos but generally speaking you can open most of those locks very quickly (maybe not more quickly than he can because he's really good) with a sledgehammer or a slide hammer.
Back in my construction days we usually had job boxes on-site. Usually they were small shipping containers. They would hold the stuff we needed to keep on job sites that were likely to end up growing legs and walking off to be sold in order to finance drug addictions. Things with scrap value and such.
Well, we usually had company locks that were all keyed the same. At one point I had a foreman that worked under me that used his own lock because other crews would use stuff from his job if they came up short. Keep in mind that if they did they were doing so because I probably told them to.
Him using his own locks really annoyed me and I told him several times to stop it. One day I come around to the jobsite and I go to get in his job box and my key doesn't work. It has been a shit day and I go to my truck and grab a demo saw. I'm walking back to the job box and he's stuttering. Telling me to hold on he will unlock it. I ignore it all, fire up the saw and cut his lock in two in a matter of seconds. I get what I came for and tell him that the next time I need something if my key doesn't work I will do the same and the time after that he's fired. Baseball rules, three strikes.
It never happened again.
Very few locks will survive a sledgehammer. Even less will survive a slide hammer. None of them will survive a demo saw or angle grinder. But those options all make a lot of noise. If you're trying to steal something noise attracts attention and attention attracts cops.
Hell, as a last resort a person could break the bottle into a clean container, use a strainer to remove the bulk of the glass and then filter it through a coffee filter and be good to go. Locks only keep honest people out.
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@Polygeekery said in Internet of shit:
Locks only keep honest people out.
Case in point: this thread entirely.
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@Polygeekery said in Internet of shit:
You should know by now that I'm more of a "brute force and ignorance" sort of guy.
That would be such a good signature addition for you.
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
That sounds like something that's easy to fix in firmware - add a random time offset with a range of -5...+5 minutes or so.
(Of course, since we're talking about IoT, the first version will seed the random generator based only on
the clock itselfa hard coded value, thus defeating the purpose )FTFY
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
I'm a bit disappointed. I'd have expected you to 3D print the key, or pick the lock.
Really? I expected @Polygeekery to go at it with a shotgun .
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@dkf said in Internet of shit:
@Polygeekery said in Internet of shit:
You should know by now that I'm more of a "brute force and ignorance" sort of guy.
That would be such a good signature addition for you.
To be fair, I stole it from BigClive.
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@Polygeekery Theft of an idea is a good way to honour someone.
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@Arantor said in Internet of shit:
I wouldn’t turn on the heating for 6am when we don’t get out of bed until 8am (both WFH), and everyone’s different.
No, you may need to turn it on for 5am. At least my heating can do about 1°C/h, so if I let it drop to 19°C and want it back at 22°C when I get up, I have to have it turn on 3 hours before I get up. Of course depends on how much power your heating has, but IME most don't have that much excess. And the new passive houses, well, the temperature changes so slowly there that you can't do anything but keep it constant anyway.
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@loopback0 said in Internet of shit:
I don't know anyone who heats their house overnight while they're asleep though. The heating is off overnight even if the temperature drops below what's set on the thermostat, and then comes on at some point in the morning.
IOW, you don't know any Canadian
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@izzion said in Internet of shit:
They should've just waited for a model refresh and included as standard on the inevitably more expensive new model like every other manufacturer does. No-one would have noticed then.
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@Polygeekery said in Internet of shit:
Very few locks will survive a sledgehammer. Even less will survive a slide hammer. None of them will survive a demo saw or angle grinder. But those options all make a lot of noise. If you're trying to steal something noise attracts attention and attention attracts cops.
You being you, I would have tought you always had with you the perfect tool to open a lock pretty much silently
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@loopback0 said in Internet of shit:
@izzion said in Internet of shit:
They should've just waited for a model refresh and included as standard on the inevitably more expensive new model like every other manufacturer does. No-one would have noticed then.
Possibly. At least until the 3 years is up.
That's the line from General Motors today after news spread that it's making a three-year, $1,500 OnStar connected services subscription a mandatory "option" for new Buick, GMC, and Cadillac Escalade models. The subscription, which enables things like using your phone as a key fob, data-enabled navigation, audio streaming, and Amazon's Alexa virtual assistant, is still optional on other GM vehicles, with the Premium package running $49.99 a month.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
Possibly. At least until the 3 years is up.
Yeah but that sort of service isn't uncommon. Several manufacturers have offered similar for a while with the initial subscription included in the new price of the car and a subscription required after 3 years (or shorter in some cases) if you want the online services to continue to work. They just snuck it in rather than doing what GM did.
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
@Polygeekery said in Internet of shit:
Very few locks will survive a sledgehammer. Even less will survive a slide hammer. None of them will survive a demo saw or angle grinder. But those options all make a lot of noise. If you're trying to steal something noise attracts attention and attention attracts cops.
You being you, I would have tought you always had with you the perfect tool to open a lock pretty much silently
I have torches, but not a Port-A-Torch setup like that. Besides, good quality padlocks and the like usually are made of boron alloy or chrome vanadium steel and as such cannot really be cut with a torch. Cutting torches only work on steels that readily oxidize as they do not really melt their way through so much as rapidly oxidize the metal and then blow it out of the kerf. Although lots key locks have a fair amount of brass and/or zinc in the lockset which you can melt with virtually any torch, even a handheld plumber's torch with MAPP gas.
If I were going to try to melt or thermally cut a lock, I would probably go with thermite or thermate. But then again we get back into attracting lots of attention and if you're not worried about attracting attention then take an impact driver and run a hardened steel screw into the lock cylinder and a few hits with a slide hammer with pull it right out. Then you can most likely open it with a flat blade screwdriver.
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Not just shit: a smart urinal.
https://nitter.net/internetofshit/status/1555351659592630272
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@JBert It does not seem to be “smart urinal”. Just a urinal with an advertising screen above it. Because it's hard to not look at the screen while peeing. That kind of thing has been a mainstay of certain brands of gas stations for quite a while now. This particular screen is an android tablet. That … makes sense; there is a plenty of cheapo low-end android tables that can be (ab)used for the purpose.
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@Bulb said in Internet of shit:
This particular screen is an android tablet. That … makes sense; there is a plenty of cheapo low-end android tables that can be (ab)used for the purpose.
That's an area where Android's support for side-loading is particularly useful. The main issue is going to be stopping people from realising and calling up the system controls with a swipe. But no chance of me trying that: I've no idea who or what else has touched that thing!
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@dkf use your stylus!
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@boomzilla How about definitely not?
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@Vault_Dweller said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@dkf use your stylus!
That's how you contract STDs
Stylus transmitted diseases?
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@dkf use your stylus!
I think it would be considered bad style.
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@LaoC One of the many reasons tutorials and guides should put in "obviously wrong" sample data that won't actually be accepted....
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Hm, is there a way to intentionally generate one of the keys that are blacklisted due to that blunder with OpenSSL using uninitialized memory for entropy and someone in Debian ‘fixing’¹ it?
Though, even if there was, I don't see a way to make sure all the greenhorns who discover America and rush to write yet another tutorial on how to follow their footsteps use those blacklisted data anyway.
¹ Overall I'd say it was good that he did because uninitialized memory can't be relied on to be truly random in the first place.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
@LaoC One of the many reasons tutorials and guides should put in "obviously wrong" sample data that won't actually be accepted....
They're test vectors. By definition, they have to work.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
@LaoC One of the many reasons tutorials and guides should put in "obviously wrong" sample data that won't actually be accepted....
There's no way to be so obviously wrong that this would be guaranteed or even very likely. If they didn't create a new cert, pretty much all the fields must have been pretty fucking obviously wrong and the cert older than the whole project, so it's clear nobody ever looked at it.
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
@LaoC One of the many reasons tutorials and guides should put in "obviously wrong" sample data that won't actually be accepted....
They're test vectors. By definition, they have to work.
Sure. Make it a test vector that's expired 200 years ago.
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@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
the cert older than the whole project,
In that case the moment they attempted to use it every browser trying to access it would be doing a Red Alert and people would be screaming.
In this case it's a car, but you can't tell me a car that has software update wouldn't also have some way to get the time and thus close that loop as well.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Sure. Make it a test vector that's expired 200 years ago.
It's a crypto key value, not a certificate.
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Sure. Make it a test vector that's expired 200 years ago.
It's a crypto key value, not a certificate.
Fine. Then make it "ThisShouldBeATextStringGeneratedBackInTutorial2"
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@Tsaukpaetra I would not be surprised if someone then discovers a piece of high-end software using exactly that, either.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
In this case it's a car, but you can't tell me a car that has software update wouldn't also have some way to get the time and thus close that loop as well.
Idk (am I supposed to read the details?! ) but that cert is likely to have 10y validity or something, enough to ship the car before noticing.
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This could have gone in other threads, but I feel it's right at home here.
From the "stating the obvious" department