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@flabdablet said in In other news today...:
@ScholRLEA said in In other news today...:
laugh at an industry that never learns anything
Time to wheel out my old friend's old sig again...
"Those who fail to understand networking protocols are doomed to re-implement them - poorly - over port 80".
HTTP is the new TCP.
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@JBert said in In other news today...:
You know, stuff that Maven or its client libraries have been doing for years...
Or apt-get before that.
What languages is yarn useful for? The website didn't tell me.
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@another_sam Oh right, like any proper hipster website it won't tell you what it does exactly. In this case "package manager for your code" means they have built a new frontend for the npm repository so that at least the package manager doesn't suck as much.
But who cares about that information eh? Trust us, just install it!
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@ben_lubar
I'm not sure that's being fair to /. - they're only a wretched hive of trollery on topics about M$ vs open-source and the like. Whereas the DOTA2 community is never not a toxic hellstorm.
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@izzion said in In other news today...:
@ben_lubar
I'm not sure that's being fair to /. - they're only a wretched hive of trollery on topics about M$ vs open-source and the like. Whereas the DOTA2 community is never not a toxic hellstorm.The logos look very similar, and I don't think I've seen Slashdot using that logo before.
Also, whenever I open a tab, Chrome crashes. What the hell is going on?
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@ben_lubar said in In other news today...:
Also, whenever I open a tab, Chrome crashes. What the hell is going on?
I've been asking that for almost a month I think...
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@JBert said in In other news today...:
they have built a new frontend for the npm repository so that at least the package manager doesn't suck as much.
Ah, I see. Not much use for me then. I would have guessed node.js if pressed, if only because of
@JBert said in In other news today...:
proper hipster website
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Hymie, the first android with a recurring role in a TV series, is gone.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@CarrieVS said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Because? Bells are bad or something?
Ms Holten claims that the kind of cowbells used there cause friction burns to the animals' necks. If that is accurate, and there's no pressing need for bells and/or lighter bells that don't cause injury would suffice, then yes, those bells are bad.
Her suggested alternative, "no bells at all", was clearly unacceptable though.
Bells are so last millennium anyways, we need digital collars connected with wifi!
But what if the cows are wifi sensitive? That would just make the problem worse!
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@ScholRLEA said in In other news today...:
Consider the classic case of odd and even predicates. They are remarkably easy to implement, especially if the language has either a modulo operator or bitwise operations
Those are literally one liners. I don't really see the advantage of having a standard library function to replace one line with another
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@ben_lubar said in In other news today...:
whenever I open a tab, Chrome crashes. What the hell is going on?
I have 32 tabs open.
Get a real OS.
FileUnder: Maybe Micro-Soft is breaking Chrome on purpose trying to convince you that Edge is a good browser
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@TimeBandit Firefox works fine
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@Jaloopa said in In other news today...:
@ScholRLEA said in In other news today...:
Consider the classic case of odd and even predicates. They are remarkably easy to implement, especially if the language has either a modulo operator or bitwise operations
Those are literally one liners. I don't really see the advantage of having a standard library function to replace one line with another
That argument would carry a lot more weight if we hadn't seen at least three different people fuck it up on this very site.
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@ScholRLEA said in In other news today...:
@Jaloopa said in In other news today...:
@ScholRLEA said in In other news today...:
Consider the classic case of odd and even predicates. They are remarkably easy to implement, especially if the language has either a modulo operator or bitwise operations
Those are literally one liners. I don't really see the advantage of having a standard library function to replace one line with another
That argument would carry a lot more weight if we hadn't seen at least three different people fuck it up on this very site.
A language or library with built-in
isOdd
/isEven
methods would still assume the programmer could successfully give them a list of- numbers
- which are integers
- and increasing by 1
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@ScholRLEA said in In other news today...:
@Jaloopa said in In other news today...:
@ScholRLEA said in In other news today...:
Consider the classic case of odd and even predicates. They are remarkably easy to implement, especially if the language has either a modulo operator or bitwise operations
Those are literally one liners. I don't really see the advantage of having a standard library function to replace one line with another
That argument would carry a lot more weight if we hadn't seen at least three different people fuck it up on this very site.
A language or library with built-in
isOdd
/isEven
methods would still assume the programmer could successfully give them a list of- numbers
- which are integers
- and increasing by 1
Is that meant to be an illustration of library designers missing the point, or you? Or even me? Why would you only apply
isOdd
andisEven
to a list, instead of at least including applying it to individual integers as well?
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@anotherusername Yeah, but... uh... uhm... sigh got nothin'.
OK, I concede, the shitheads who did those things couldn't get even the simplest things right.
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
trying to convince you that Edge is a good browser
Ain't gonna happen. I use it at work because raisins. On my own computer, I'd use it once — to download Chrome.
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@HardwareGeek I'm trying to work out if this article is referring to a virus that infects Edge, or is calling Edge a virus:
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@RaceProUK said in In other news today...:
I'm trying to work out if this article is referring to a virus that infects Edge, or is calling Edge a virus:
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No surprise to anyone here, I'm sure:
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@Dreikin I meant that (for most places where you'd want to test for odd/even) they'd need to generate a series of numbers. Whether they put them into a "list" structure wasn't my point.
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Somebody here is using "123456" for password and you spoiled it for him/her.
He/she downvoted you for it.
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
He/she downvoted you for it.
Or else he/she was trying to scroll on mobile.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
No surprise to anyone here, I'm sure
I was surprised by 18atcskd2w being more popular than 654321. Google quickly resolved the :
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
Somebody here is using "123456" for password and you spoiled it for him/her.
He/she downvoted you for it.
@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
He/she downvoted you for it.
Or else he/she was trying to scroll on mobile.
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@hungrier said in In other news today...:
@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@CarrieVS said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Because? Bells are bad or something?
Ms Holten claims that the kind of cowbells used there cause friction burns to the animals' necks. If that is accurate, and there's no pressing need for bells and/or lighter bells that don't cause injury would suffice, then yes, those bells are bad.
Her suggested alternative, "no bells at all", was clearly unacceptable though.
Bells are so last millennium anyways, we need digital collars connected with wifi!
But what if the cows are wifi sensitive? That would just make the problem worse!
Nah, it would help pasteurize it and keep it naturally bacteria free!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
it would help pasteurize it
Since wifi and microwave ovens both operate in the 2.4GHz band, that's technically true.
Filed under: The human body is 99% water and that's why tidal forces from the moon affect our moods
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Don't call it 'haunted bread'
“Mr. Chambers said, “that’s what it is”, arguing that the Church “does not want us to use critical thinking” and is “asking us to eat the ghost of a 2,000-year-old carpenter”.
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She's being charged with obstructing the investigation and aiding and abetting by providing material support.
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@flabdablet said in In other news today...:
I was surprised by 18atcskd2w being more popular than 654321. Google quickly resolved the :
I have absolutely no knowledge about password storage and user accounts on a web site, but couldn't that be used as a way to block spam accounts? Basically, if your password is the same as more than X users, then you're likely not a real user (or if you are, you have chosen an extremely poor password and forcing you to do something about it is not necessarily a bad thing !).
I know that passwords are not stored in plain text (or at least, that they shouldn't...), but can you still compare their hashes to know if 2 users have the same password?
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@remi said in In other news today...:
I know that passwords are not stored in plain text (or at least, that they shouldn't...), but can you still compare their hashes to know if 2 users have the same password?
If you're using salted hashes, then no, you can't, as the salt will be different for each user.
And if you're not using salted hashes, start using salted hashes.
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@RaceProUK said in In other news today...:
@remi said in In other news today...:
I know that passwords are not stored in plain text (or at least, that they shouldn't...), but can you still compare their hashes to know if 2 users have the same password?
If you're using salted hashes, then no, you can't, as the salt will be different for each user.
And if you're not using salted hashes, start using salted hashes.
But you know the salt used for each user (you have to, otherwise how do you check if the user typed in the right password?), so you can still use that to check if the password is the same as another user? Essentially, mimick the process of trying to login to every user account with the new user password and see if that matches.
OK, I get that it might be prohibitively expensive (checking all accounts whenever a new one is created...), especially if you have a lot of accounts, which is when this kind of process is useful anyway. But I guess there might be smart ways to optimise that (start by checking the passwords that have already been identified in the past as potential spammers etc.).
I don't know, totally bad idea, TDWTF front-page material or just impractical and not that useful anyway?
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@RaceProUK said in In other news today...:
@remi said in In other news today...:
I know that passwords are not stored in plain text (or at least, that they shouldn't...), but can you still compare their hashes to know if 2 users have the same password?
If you're using salted hashes, then no, you can't, as the salt will be different for each user.
And if you're not using salted hashes, start using salted hashes.
Unique passwords are the whole point of salting. You salt so that there won't be a bunch of users with the same hashed password; forcing users to pick passwords with a high degree of uniqueness would accomplish the same thing.
...I think salted passwords are still the way to go, and I can't think of any practical way to implement it without using unsalted passwords, so I dunno. It probably wouldn't be worthwhile. Definitely not just as a method to identify potential bot/spam accounts...
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@remi said in In other news today...:
Basically, if your password is the same as more than X users, then you're likely not a real user (or if you are, you have chosen an extremely poor password and forcing you to do something about it is not necessarily a bad thing !).
I can see very little wrong with the idea of storing a dictionary of disallowed passwords in plain text, populated by information from publicly available sources.
Accumulating local frequency stats on the passwords actually chosen by your users, on the other hand, is a bad idea because it gives attackers information to work with that they don't already have.
Essentially, mimick the process of trying to login to every user account with the new user password and see if that matches.
If the process of checking a single password against its salted hash is as computationally expensive as good design says it should be, then given any decent user base this option would be prohibitively slow.
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@flabdablet said in In other news today...:
Accumulating local frequency stats on the passwords actually chosen by your users, on the other hand, is a bad idea because it gives attackers information to work with that they don't already have.
Good point. Plus, I just thought that if you actively prevent users from using passwords that occur too frequently in your user base, then by design you should end up with a set of passwords that are varied enough that this test looses its worth! (unless you are just catching a new spam bot creating a slew of new accounts, but I guess there are other ways to catch that...)
If the process of checking a single password against its salted hash is as computationally expensive as good design says it should be, then given any decent user base this option would be prohibitively lengthy.
True again. That I did not think of that shows how little I know about these things :-)
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@flabdablet said in In other news today...:
I can see very little wrong with the idea of storing a dictionary of disallowed passwords in plain text, populated by information from publicly available sources.
Thing is, these are already solved problems.
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@PJH said in In other news today...:
these are already solved problems.
...which goes to show that people better at security than I am can't see much wrong with the idea either.
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@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
@RaceProUK said in In other news today...:
salted hashes
I prefered the sugared ones
Just as long as it's not corned beef.
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Prius drivers, amiright...
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@anotherusername I would not have identified that as a prius. Hell, I would not have identified it as a car.
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@PleegWat I would have. The tires, engine block, and washer fluid reservoir are clearly visible.
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@PJH said in In other news today...:
these are already solved problems
You can say that for about 60% of the software produced today.
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@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
@PleegWat I would have. The tires, engine block, and washer fluid reservoir are clearly visible.
My mind keeps going "can't be. That's a door. Just ... how ... :headscratch:"
And
he went through a light too fast
Yeah. Ya think?
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
@RaceProUK said in In other news today...:
salted hashes
I prefered the sugared ones
Just as long as it's not corned beef.
Ya want that scattered, smothered, and covered?
Filed Under: Hey batter batter
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
Prius drivers, amiright...
Didn't hear that one coming, did they?
Whisper quiet.