Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Roundabout all the things, I say.
Every intersection? That seems extreme.
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@dkf Some of the older types actually even have these massive steel bumpers (the black thing here) that work pretty well for that. Also that massive coupling that sticks out the front... Honestly the average tram driver must have the patience of a saint, I wouldn't last a day before plowing through some idiots.
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@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Roundabout all the things
:yo_dwog_i_roundabout_your_roundabout:
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@luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Roundabout all the things
:yo_dwog_i_roundabout_your_roundabout:
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@heterodox said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Roundabout all the things, I say.
Every intersection? That seems extreme.
Or authorize car-mounted rockets to clear the intersection.
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@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@heterodox said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
blocking the box
Roundabout all the things, I say.
Roundabouts only work well when there's practically no other traffic, and then they work nearly as well as a simple intersection with yield signs in one direction.
They do scale slightly better for increases in the number of streets intersecting. If your city was designed by a spider on LSD, this could be a significant factor in deciding whether to use them.
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@anotherusername said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Roundabouts only work well when there's practically no other traffic, and then they work nearly as well as a simple intersection with yield signs in one direction.
That depends on traffic levels and the fundamental complexity of the intersection.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
That depends on traffic levels
That's what I said. They only work when there's almost no traffic. Their awfulness is probably like exponential to how much traffic there is.
@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
and the fundamental complexity of the intersection
I edited my post to account for that just before you replied. Maybe you hadn't seen that yet.
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@anotherusername said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I edited my post to account for that just before you replied. Maybe you hadn't seen that yet.
It streamed in between when I started writing the reply and when I submitted. I noticed that your post had changed, but didn't see what the change was because it was under the edit box. ;)
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@blek Now that I think of it, we could just replace trams with steam trains. It's not like there isn't a precedent...
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
we could just replace trams with steam trains.
There are not enough up-votes in the world for this post!
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@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hardwaregeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
If the asses start humping the car in front of them, you gently start the merge anyways (not quite hitting the line, but definitely no in the middle of your lane) and see who gets the hint. Ideally you've positioned yourself so it's obvious which spot you're intending to take.
And the other driver will make sure they will never let you in if they can possibly help it, even it means driving very unsafely close to the car in front of them.
Their loss.
I .... Don't understand what you're trying to convey here. @ben_lubar , can you help translate this please?
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@tsaukpaetra It's the legendary Loss comic, mandatory car analogy edition.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
It's the legendary Loss comic, mandatory car analogy edition.
Right, and the internet has broken my brain in such a way that my immediate response to reading "Their loss" was to create that image.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@tsaukpaetra It's the legendary Loss comic, mandatory car analogy edition.
Huh. TIL. But... Why was this funny?
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@hungrier I've been seeing it all over the place recently. It's like some kind of meme renaissance.
@Tsaukpaetra I have no idea why it's funny but it never fails to amuse me. It's like a glitch in the Matrix or something. That Dark Souls picture in the article is absolutely hilarious to me for some reason.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@tsaukpaetra It's the legendary Loss comic, mandatory car analogy edition.
I feel dumber for having read that but it has justified every time I've made fun of people for playing video games.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hardwaregeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
If the asses start humping the car in front of them, you gently start the merge anyways (not quite hitting the line, but definitely no in the middle of your lane) and see who gets the hint. Ideally you've positioned yourself so it's obvious which spot you're intending to take.
And the other driver will make sure they will never let you in if they can possibly help it, even it means driving very unsafely close to the car in front of them.
Their loss.
I .... Don't understand what you're trying to convey here. @ben_lubar , can you help translate this please?
I'm reasonably sure that bottom row of cars is trying to spell "help".
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@anotherusername said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@zemm illegal to pass from either direction:
Maybe it's just an illusion, but it certainly looks like those cars are blocking the bus. Hint to car driver - the bus is bigger.
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@dcon Definitely an illusion.
Instead of standing still they were playing chicken.
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Yesterday evening I just happened to run across one case where the cars got stuck in the middle of the junction. Ok there was enough space left to go through, so I was navigating around the car blocking on the left to turn left behind it when another car from the right lane—which is not for turning left—cut in front of me and to the left too. His Russian plates kinda explain it—they drive even worse than locals.
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@jbert said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
They were playing chicken.
but why did it cross the road?
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@anotherusername said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
That's what I said. They only work when there's almost no traffic. Their awfulness is probably like exponential to how much traffic there is.
No, they work well even in heavy traffic, as long as the traffic flows relatively evenly on all the connecting roads. If all traffic is going forward across the roundabout and you're trying to enter from a side street you might as well pitch a tent there.
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@bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
His Russian plates kinda explain it
Hey, at least Russians are rare around here. Polish truck drivers though...
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Polish
You reminded me of that car with Polish plates recklessly overtaking to the point of splitting lanes on the 2-lane old road from Vienna to Mikulov. There were many Polish cars there and many of them speeding and overtaking recklessly, but this one took it to the extreme.
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@anotherusername said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
[Roundabouts] do scale slightly better for increases in the number of streets intersecting. If your city was designed by a spider on LSD, this could be a significant factor in deciding whether to use them.
You'd need to actually count the number of intersections, but I think a spider on caffeine or speed seems a better analogy here.
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@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Roundabout all the things, I say.
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I saw an amazing rarity this morning... a BMW with working turn signals. Not sure what level of @WengÂ-ian modifications he had to do to his car, or how much it hurt the resale value, but W.O.W.
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@izzion I once saw one that was keeping to the speed limit, indicating and not cutting anybody up. I can only assume it was a Ford with a BMW badge added
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@deadfast said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@anotherusername said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
That's what I said. They only work when there's almost no traffic. Their awfulness is probably like exponential to how much traffic there is.
No, they work well even in heavy traffic, as long as the traffic flows relatively evenly on all the connecting roads. If all traffic is going forward across the roundabout and you're trying to enter from a side street you might as well pitch a tent there.
You know what else works well in that case? A nice, properly timed traffic signal. And then you have the added benefit that it doesn't feed a continuous unbroken stream of traffic out of the intersection, so those side streets that do intersect the busy streets (whether the intersections are roundabouts or not) are somewhat less fucked.
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@anotherusername What I've usually seen in the US is putting a traffic light on every intersection, no matter how minor.
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@jaloopa said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@izzion I once saw one that was keeping to the speed limit, indicating and not cutting anybody up. I can only assume it was a Ford with a BMW badge added
Just the other day I saw one that was going about 5mph under the limit! *gasp* !!! ( ok, they were fulfilling their role of Annoying BMW Driver...)
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@anotherusername said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@deadfast said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
No, they work well even in heavy traffic, as long as the traffic flows relatively evenly on all the connecting roads. If all traffic is going forward across the roundabout and you're trying to enter from a side street you might as well pitch a tent there.
You know what else works well in that case? A nice, properly timed traffic signal. And then you have the added benefit that it doesn't feed a continuous unbroken stream of traffic out of the intersection, so those side streets that do intersect the busy streets (whether the intersections are roundabouts or not) are somewhat less fucked.
All this talk about roundabouts has reminded me, around here there is a roundabout with signal on one exit!
It also has two lanes which change to create the various exit ramps. And trams go across with a T junction in the middle…
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Worthing, on the south coast of England, has a roundabout with two exits. Basically, it's a corner.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@anotherusername What I've usually seen in the US is putting a traffic light on every intersection, no matter how minor.
You still usually end up with driveways intersecting it though. Some of the bigger parking lots might have an intersection with a signal at their driveway, but not all of them do.
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Yesterday I saw three traffic stupidities. First was the guy who ran a red light because rather than slowing down upon seeing the light turn yellow he went for speeding up. Had it been a couple moments later he could have met the woman who walked straight across the street in all black in the dark early morning, because fuck having to walk the few extra meters to the crossing I guess. Instead walk where there's none and force incoming cars to stop for you anyway. Considering how hard it is to see people without reflexes in the dark when driving I'm amazed they did see her at all.
In the evening I also saw someone walk on the edge of the highway, back against the traffic. Because I guess walking on the pedestrian road going parallel to it was too easy. Living on the edge and risk getting hit in the back by a car is more manly I guess!
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@atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Considering how hard it is to see people without reflexes in the dark when driving I'm amazed they did see her at all.
A while ago, they made wearing some reflective item mandatory for pedestrians walking on the road out of town here.
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@bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Considering how hard it is to see people without reflexes in the dark when driving I'm amazed they did see her at all.
A while ago, they made wearing some reflex item mandatory for pedestrians walking on the road out of town here.
English note: That would be a reflective item, not a reflex item. Reflexes are your reaction time. I was thinking of a D&D item that gives bonuses to your Reflex save and getting very confused for a second there.
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@benjamin-hall Yeah, got confused by the same incorrect word in @Atazhaia's post above.
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@atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Considering how hard it is to see people without reflexes in the dark
People without good reflexes shouldn't jaywalk, even in daytime.
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E_TRANSLATION_FAIL
For some reason, in Swedish, we use the same word (reflex) to mean both reflex and reflector. So I tend to get tripped up on that.
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@bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
His Russian plates kinda explain it—they drive even worse than locals.
Fun factoid: while it is true that Russia does seem to have more than its fair share of terrible drivers, a lot of their rep for it is a result of insurance fraud and police corruption.
All those dashcam videos? Yeah, they have more of those things than anywhere, probably, because (as I understand it) you can't drive a mile without someone trying to jump in front of you and fake getting hit, or a cop pulling your over for a minor infraction and demanding a bribe to keep from throwing you in the lock up, or some con artists doing the brake checking scam on you.
And since, reportedly, the courts are even worse than the cops when it comes to corruption, the only way to avoid getting nailed is video evidence.
Which why it seems that everyone in the country with a car and half a brain uses a dashcam. Maybe two or three.
Add all of that to unmaintained roads (just think about how much th upkeep would cost and you can see why), heavy rains in spring and fall, and massive blizzards in winter, plus the decreasing but still very real problem of alcoholism and drunk driving, and you get twenty hours of dashcam accident footage a day just from Russia alone .
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@scholrlea said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Fun factoid
Fun fact: when "factoid" was coined, it was meant to be something that looks like a fact but isn't one. The meaning in popular usage has shifted to a small fact, something that would be better called a factette
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@jaloopa I actually meant it as somewhere between the two, as it is something I understand to be the case, but lack confirmation on.
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@jaloopa FAKE
NEWSFACTOID!
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@hardwaregeek faketoid?
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@scholrlea said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
and you get twenty hours of dashcam accident footage a day just from one Russian city alone .
Probably morer truer.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Polish truck drivers though...
...need to polish their trucks some more?
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@scholrlea said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
the brake checking scam on you.
In the US, if you rear-end someone you were following, it's automatically always your fault. Do they not have that in Russia?
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@jaloopa said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
a factette
Are you assuming the little fact's gender?