Warning: Contains nuts*
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Oh?
Nope - can't see the word 'peanuts' anywhere...
* INB4 peanuts are legumes, not nuts
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@all_users said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
* INB4 peanuts are legumes, not nuts
It's worse than that. They are simultaneously legumes and nuts.
For botanical purposes, they are legumes.
For culinary purposes, they are nuts.
Just like oranges and tomatoes are berries to a botanist but not to a chef.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
It's worse than that. They are simultaneously legumes and nuts.
The distinction, given the context of course, being that tree-nut allergies are different to peanut allergies.
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This seems like the kind of warning you might need to give Patrick Star....
<patrick's voice> Oh wow, Good thing I haven't eaten them yet! I'd have never known! </patrick's voice>
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@all_users said:
Warning: Contains nuts
Yeah, it's a thread on WTDWTF. No need to state the obvious twice. Jeez.
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@Onyx
At least it isn't a silly place
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Step 1: Make a company named "Warning, contains:"
Step 2: Start producing foods, specialise on the allergen ones.
Step 3: Package front and center will be "Warning, contains: Peanuts", "Warning, contains: Honey", etc...
Step 4: $$$, primarily those you'll save on lawsuits with american stupidity.
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@sh_code said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
Step 4: $$$, primarily those you'll save on lawsuits with american stupidity.
http://www.bash.org/?4753 (...why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything...)
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@all_users replying to @sh_code by a way of quote by
xterm
.This is the most *NIX post ever.
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@all_users said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
(...why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything...)
...because human bodies are just resilient enough that that wouldn't actually work. You'd end up with lots of people with their lives ruined but not ended, and then under the "you break it you bought it" principle of jurisprudence, they sue you for $$$$ for the rest of their lives.
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@all_users said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
Nope - can't see the word 'peanuts' anywhere...
They should put a label on the back saying:
Warning: May contain peanuts
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@dkf or
Warning: processed on equipment that also processes peanuts
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@dkf said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
Warning: May contain peanuts
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@flabdablet Man, everyone should just put "warning: may contain allergens. Read the ingredient list" on everything.
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@FrostCat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
@flabdablet Man, everyone should just put "warning: may contain allergens. Read the ingredient list" on everything.
my chem teacher in HS had a jar of "cyanide" that she had labeled with: "Contains no allergens. Instead will just kill you outright."
to this day i highly suspect the "cyanide" was just tab water because seriously?! it's highschool. you don't keep cyanide around highschoolers! that's just asking for trouble.
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@accalia said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
to this day i highly suspect the "cyanide" was just tab water because seriously?! it's highschool. you don't keep cyanide around highschoolers! that's just asking for trouble.
My high school kept all kinds of dangerous chemicals around. Apparently some really did have cyanide:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-02-11/news/9802110111_1_potassium-cyanide-chemicals-aides
"The 39 other students and five staff members taken to the hospital after inhaling vapors from the boy's vomit"
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
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@FrostCat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
My high school kept all kinds of dangerous chemicals around. Apparently some really did have cyanide
In one of my college chem classes--100 level, not anything particularly advanced and not filled with the brightest or most dedicated of students--we did a lab exercise once involving mixing various chemicals.
One of them was hydrofluoric acid, one of the nastiest, scariest substances known to man. For those unfamiliar with the substance, think of every ridiculous thing you've ever seen or heard of on a movie about scary acids that eat through all sorts of substances--HF is really like that, but worse. It will eat through nearly any metal known to man. It will eat through glass. If you stuck your hand in a vat of HF, it would not hurt, because it would literally dissolve everything before the pain nerves had time to fire!
At no point did the professor ever give us any warnings about the nature of the stuff we were working with, beyond the standard "be careful with chemicals and make sure to use the fume hood and not spill any on yourself" stuff.
No one got hurt, but I'm honestly a bit surprised by that, especially since some of the plastic bottles containing the HF had rubber stoppers that were showing visible signs of corrosion from the fumes within...
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@masonwheeler said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
hydrofluoric acid
Even in my day (rather longer ago than I want to remember) that would have been a grad-school level reagent at least; it's utterly desperately dangerous even when heavily diluted because aside from everything else, it rapidly strips calcium from your blood.
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@dkf Yup! See above: re: surprised they didn't say anything about it!
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@masonwheeler are you sure you didn't get it mixed up with hydroxic acid?
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due to peanuts not being declared in English on a small number of packets
Not all, just a small number of them. To me that suggests either some of the packets didn't make it through the printer correctly, or some packets printed in another language got mixed in with them by mistake.
https://www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/customer-notice-alesto-honey-peanuts.pdf
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@anotherusername Is that the actual package that's recalled? Because when I went and did a Google search and a GIS, most of the sites reporting either used that picture, or none at all, but GIS shows a package of honey-roasted peanuts that's labelled only in Spanish on the front. You'd think instead of a recall, they could just pick them all back up from the stores and....sell them in Spain instead!
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@Jaloopa said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
@masonwheeler are you sure you didn't get it mixed up with hydroxic acid?
Yes, I'm sure, because I remember my reaction back when it happened, because I did know what HF is and how ridiculously caustic it is.
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@FrostCat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
You'd think instead of a recall, they could just pick them all back up from the stores and....sell them in Spain instead!
You mean...like...recall them from the stores?
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@boomzilla said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
You mean...like...recall them from the stores?
Yes, yes, thank you, I knew someone would say that.
Isn't recalled stuff usually destroyed? What I was thinking of was more like a redeployment.
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@masonwheeler said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
because I did know what HF is and how ridiculously caustic it is.
Hydroxic acid is pretty caustic as well. It's been known to kill many people
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@FrostCat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
Is that the actual package that's recalled?
I'm assuming it's just a stock picture of the product, not an example of the wrongly labeled product.
@FrostCat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
You'd think instead of a recall, they could just pick them all back up from the stores and....sell them in Spain instead!
Sure, but they'd still need to issue the recall notice to let the customers know, because someone with a peanut allergy might've bought them. Note that the recall says "if you have bought the above product and have an allergy to peanut", so only people with peanut allergies are being told to return the product. People who aren't allergic can safely ignore the recall notice.
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@anotherusername said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
I'm assuming it's just a stock picture of the product, not an example of the wrongly labeled product.
That's the conclusion I reached as well. You'd think the official government site listing the recall (food.gov.uk, IIRC) would have an actual picture of the actual affected product, but I guess that's just me.
@anotherusername said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
Note that the recall says "if you have bought the above product and have an allergy to peanut"
I assume that's just so they can say
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@FrostCat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
Isn't recalled stuff usually destroyed?
I guess it would depend on the reason. If it's just a label thing, maybe not.
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@masonwheeler said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
One of them was hydrofluoric acid, one of the nastiest, scariest substances known to man.
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride
No, elemental fluorine has commanded respect since well before anyone managed to isolate it, a process that took a good fifty years to work out in the 1800s. (The list of people who were blown up or poisoned while trying to do so is impressive). And that’s at room temperature. At seven hundred freaking degrees, fluorine starts to dissociate into monoatomic radicals, thereby losing its gentle and forgiving nature. But that’s how you get it to react with oxygen to make a product that’s worse in pretty much every way.
FOOF is only stable at low temperatures; you’ll never get close to RT with the stuff without it tearing itself to pieces. I’ve seen one reference to storing it as a solid at 90 Kelvin for later use, but that paper, a 1962 effort from A. G. Streng of Temple University, is deeply alarming in several ways. Not only did Streng prepare multiple batches of dioxygen difluoride and keep it around, he was apparently charged with finding out what it did to things. All sorts of things. One damn thing after another, actually:
“Being a high energy oxidizer, dioxygen difluoride reacted vigorously with organic compounds, even at temperatures close to its melting point. It reacted instantaneously with solid ethyl alcohol, producing a blue flame and an explosion. When a drop of liquid 02F2 was added to liquid methane, cooled at 90°K., a white flame was produced instantaneously, which turned green upon further burning. When 0.2 (mL) of liquid 02F2 was added to 0.5 (mL) of liquid CH4 at 90°K., a violent explosion occurred.”
And he’s just getting warmed up, if that’s the right phrase to use for something that detonates things at -180C (that’s -300 Fahrenheit, if you only have a kitchen thermometer). The great majority of Streng’s reactions have surely never been run again. The paper goes on to react FOOF with everything else you wouldn’t react it with: ammonia (“vigorous”, this at 100K), water ice (explosion, natch), chlorine (“violent explosion”, so he added it more slowly the second time), red phosphorus (not good), bromine fluoride, chlorine trifluoride (say what?), perchloryl fluoride (!), tetrafluorohydrazine (how on Earth. . .), and on, and on. If the paper weren’t laid out in complete grammatical sentences and published in JACS, you’d swear it was the work of a violent lunatic. I ran out of vulgar expletives after the second page. A. G. Streng, folks, absolutely takes the corrosive exploding cake, and I have to tip my asbestos-lined titanium hat to him.
Even Streng had to give up on some of the planned experiments, though (bonus dormitat Strengus?). Sulfur compounds defeated him, because the thermodynamics were just too titanic. Hydrogen sulfide, for example, reacts with four molecules of FOOF to give sulfur hexafluoride, 2 molecules of HF and four oxygens. . .and 433 kcal, which is the kind of every-man-for-himself exotherm that you want to avoid at all cost. The sulfur chemistry of FOOF remains unexplored, so if you feel like whipping up a batch of Satan’s kimchi, go right ahead.
Filed under: FOOF can catch sand on fire.
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@boomzilla said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
I guess it would depend on the reason. If it's just a label thing, maybe not.
If this is an actual recall where they're actually pulling stuff off the shelves, then presumably there's nowhere you could put it back, except, like I said, in Spain or something (or a bodega, whatever).
I'm operating on the assumption that opening all the packages and repackaging all the peanuts, or putting a sticker on them, isn't cost-effective.
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@error Yeah, I love the "Things I Won't Work With" series. Those papers are crazy, but fun!
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@Onyx said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
@all_users said:
Warning: Contains nuts
Yeah, it's a thread on WTDWTF. No need to state the obvious twice. Jeez.
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@masonwheeler said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
@error Yeah, I love the "Things I Won't Work With" series. Those papers are crazy, but fun!
Yep. "Satan's kimchi" is something that always makes me giggle when I come across that particular one.
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@FrostCat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
You'd think instead of a recall, they could just pick them all back up from the stores and....sell them in Spain instead!
Logistically, that's way more expensive than just tossing them into a dumpster.
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@masonwheeler said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
It will eat through nearly any metal known to man.
My dad once observed that a 80% solution of HF can be kept in mild steel container, but when diluted to 65%, it will eat through the steel.
Also, HF, dangerous as it is, in pendantic chemistry terminology is nonetheless a weak acid...
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@blakeyrat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
Logistically, that's way more expensive than just tossing them into a dumpster.
Sure, but at least you might get some money out of it.
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@FrostCat I highly doubt it. How many stores would they have to hire a driver to make special pickups to? How many bags from each store? There's no way in hell that's profitable.
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@blakeyrat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
How many stores would they have to hire a driver to make special pickups to?
Presumably they'd only send it to stores they already deliver to. For all we know, they might even already sell the stuff there!
@blakeyrat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
There's no way in hell that's profitable.
The existence of dollar and "seconds and surplus" stores suggests that's not true, although you probably couldn't do that in this case.
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@FrostCat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
Presumably they'd only send it to stores they already deliver to.
They don't. They only deliver to those stores' central warehouse. The trucks to individual stores go from the warehouse, and they're rigidly scheduled and one-way.
This nut company could possibly talk one of the chains into using their existing truck schedule to haul the nuts back to the central warehouse and then pick them up from there, but what's the incentive for anybody involved? The nut company would have to pay for that reverse shipping, and it'd STILL come out way more than their margin on the bag of nuts.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
@masonwheeler said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
It will eat through nearly any metal known to man.
My dad once observed that a 80% solution of HF can be kept in mild steel container, but when diluted to 65%, it will eat through the steel.
Also, HF, dangerous as it is, in pendantic chemistry terminology is nonetheless a weak acid...
Flouride passivation but only if it's strong enough?
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@Cursorkeys said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
@masonwheeler said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
It will eat through nearly any metal known to man.
My dad once observed that a 80% solution of HF can be kept in mild steel container, but when diluted to 65%, it will eat through the steel.
Also, HF, dangerous as it is, in pendantic chemistry terminology is nonetheless a weak acid...
Flouride passivation but only if it's strong enough?
Basically, yeah. He didn't use that word, but that was the idea.
EDIT: combined with a dose of common ion effect.
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@all_users said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
It's worse than that. They are simultaneously legumes and nuts.
The distinction, given the context of course, being that tree-nut allergies are different to peanut allergies.
I wouldn't know about that, but I did once know a guy who had bad peanut allergies. He had an episode one time, and he was out of work for two days, and when he came back to the office, he looked less healthy than dead people.
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I heard a story of someone who had over-adjusted a fancy microscope (possibly scanning electron). The policy was "you mess it up, you clean it". Cleaning it requires HF.
Apparently, when you clean with HF you don't wear gloves. They coat your hands with some sort of powder. That's so if you get some HF on yourself the hospital will know which part of your hand to cut off.
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@masonwheeler That's a damn inresponsible school. I wouldn't want HF anywhere near me.
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@blakeyrat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
@FrostCat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
You'd think instead of a recall, they could just pick them all back up from the stores and....sell them in Spain instead!
Logistically, that's way more expensive than just tossing them into a dumpster.
They'll probably just be sold in Dollar Stores instead.
=(
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
I wouldn't know about that, but I did once know a guy who had bad peanut allergies. He had an episode one time, and he was out of work for two days, and when he came back to the office, he looked less healthy than dead people.
What sort of dead look? A friend of mine went to visit family in India once, and came back a month later at around half his body weight, jaundiced to a very very yellow color, and told us he'd gotten hepatitis or something. Most dramatic change caused by a sickness I've ever seen.
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@FrostCat said in Warning: Contains nuts*:
Man, everyone should just put "warning: may contain allergens. Read the ingredient list" on everything.
One of my coworkers can't even have anything which comes into contact with the same machinery that deals with dairy products. A bag of peanuts won't list chocolate in the ingredients, but it's processed and packaged on the same machinery which deals with chocolate-covered nuts, so it's possible for there to be trace amounts of chocolate in the bag, which would be enough to
kill himgive one of my other coworkers the opportunity to finally stab him with his adrenaline needle, an occasion for which some of them have been waiting years.
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@Fox evolution is trying to kill people like him.
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@anotherusername aren't our actions part of evolution?