Waze Wars
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@boomzilla said in Waze Wars:
Maybe for the system. Not generally for individuals.
The context of the discussion is that car traffic on existing roads in some places do not have enough throughput.
If everyone uses a car and the road is blocked, everyone waits. How is that better for the individual who now has to wait?
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@aapis When our office moved, it increased by commute by about 25-30 minutes each way.
So I just work an hour less each day.
So far nobody's said anything, if they've even noticed.
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@Adynathos said in Waze Wars:
Yes, every means of transport can fail. But when you want to travel somewhere, you have to choose one of them.
Public tranport is more efficient then individual cars - so it could allow more people to travel using the existing roads.I don't disagree that public transport has its merits. I'm saying that in the case of DC, public transport is as oversubscribed and under-invested as every other available mode of transportation.
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@blakeyrat I wish I could do that
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@fbmac Work less? What's stopping you? You can work not-at-all and live in a refrigerator box, the sky's the limit.
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@blakeyrat I can not work or work too much. The middle ground I want isn't available for me.
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@boomzilla said in Waze Wars:
My street is actually private and maintained by the HOA
My deepest condolences.
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@boomzilla said in Waze Wars:
@Adynathos said in Waze Wars:
Public tranport is more efficient then individual cars
Maybe for the system. Not generally for individuals.
Works for me, particularly on the homeward journey. I work in the CBD, and catch the bus between my home and a transfer point, then the train between there and my work. (The bus half of the journey is a little longer in duration.) On the way home, I can be on the homeward bus easily before I would have been able to get out of the CBD in a car, due to traffic congestion, and overall get home about 15-30 minutes earlier.
It doesn't work so well on the way in because the bus still often gets affected by the morning peak hour traffic. I never really have any problem with the afternoon peak hour.
Of course, using public transport also means I don't have to pay the exorbitant CBD parking fees. And I can listen to music and read on my commute, instead of having to pay attention to the traffic. Or even nod off if I'm tired (though this backfired on me last night, when I slept past my stop and wound up getting off 5km down the road. I'm usually more attuned to the motion of the bus but it does happen sometimes. Fortunately my wife was able to come and pick me up :))
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Ride a bicycle you lazy buggers. No more traffic problems, improved fitness, reduced gym fees and a sense of smugness thrown in for free.
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@another_sam Ah yes, I'm sure riding a bicycle along here during the morning peak hour when it's jammed with cars would not involve any traffic problems whatsoever.
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@another_sam said in Waze Wars:
Ride a bicycle you lazy buggers. No more traffic problems, improved fitness, reduced gym fees and a sense of smugness thrown in for free.
I'd rather not ride a bike 30 miles every day, especially in the summer when temperatures regularly break 100°F.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in Waze Wars:
Ah yes, I'm sure riding a bicycle along here during the morning peak hour when it's jammed with cars would not involve any traffic problems whatsoever.
Ride on the shoulder.
Brave the traffic and make the cars go around you. If it's jammed they're not going faster than you anyway.
Find a route with a better path.
Move house.I'd rather not ride a bike 30 miles every day, especially in the summer when temperatures regularly break 100°F.
I ride in summer when we usually hit 40C and in winter in sub-zero temperatures.
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@another_sam said in Waze Wars:
I ride in summer when we usually hit 40C and in winter in sub-zero temperatures.
Sub zero °C? Or °F? Or K/R?
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@another_sam said in Waze Wars:
I ride in summer when we usually hit 40C and in winter in sub-zero temperatures.
Sub zero °C? Or °F? Or K/R?
Does it matter? They're all far too cold to be riding a bicycle.
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@another_sam said in Waze Wars:
I ride in summer when we usually hit 40C and in winter in sub-zero temperatures.
Sub zero °C? Or °F? Or K/R?
There's no such thing as sub-zero K/R.
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@another_sam said in Waze Wars:
I ride in summer when we usually hit 40C and in winter in sub-zero temperatures.
Sub zero °C? Or °F? Or K/R?
There's no such thing as sub-zero K/R.
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Which would make it all the more impressive!
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@Adynathos
what is the population density in your city?
you talk like someone that never set a foot in a city with high population density.about the thread: "assholes are assholes but we blame the app because it's easier"
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@anotherusername said in Waze Wars:
@blakeyrat you don't need to lower the speed limit. If people are doing 45 in a residential neighborhood it takes 15 minutes to send a cop to shoot radar and enforce the 25 MPH speed limit sign that's already there.
Or if that's private road, setting up speed bumps on the road to annoy those who drive at 45 MPH.
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There's no such thing as sub-zero K/R.
Theoretically, there is. Temperature is just a measurement of entropy in the system. Adding more energy adds entropy.
There are techniques where adding energy takes away entropy--
Cloud of atoms goes beyond absolute zero
The existence of negative temperatures on the Kelvin scale could help us understand dark energy as well as revise the thinking about what temperature really is
I reject your
and replace it with my own.
Filed under: I reject it WITH SCIENCE!
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@Lorne-Kates said in Waze Wars:
There's no such thing as sub-zero K/R.
Theoretically, there is. Temperature is just a measurement of entropy in the system. Adding more energy adds entropy.
There are techniques where adding energy takes away entropy--
Cloud of atoms goes beyond absolute zero
The existence of negative temperatures on the Kelvin scale could help us understand dark energy as well as revise the thinking about what temperature really is
I reject your
and replace it with my own.
Filed under: I reject it WITH SCIENCE!
Ah, but I said there**'s** no such thing. That contraction means, "there is no such thing." You say it's theoretically possible, but "is" indicates existence. There could be such a thing, but there is not.
Filed under: My
is bigger than yours., "Is" also indicates "at present", so past or future examples are 
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@Lorne-Kates said in Waze Wars:
There's no such thing as sub-zero K/R.
Theoretically, there is. Temperature is just a measurement of entropy in the system. Adding more energy adds entropy.
There are techniques where adding energy takes away entropy--
Cloud of atoms goes beyond absolute zero
The existence of negative temperatures on the Kelvin scale could help us understand dark energy as well as revise the thinking about what temperature really is
I reject your
and replace it with my own.
Filed under: I reject it WITH SCIENCE!
Ah, but I said there**'s** no such thing. That contraction means, "there is no such thing." You say it's theoretically possible, but "is" indicates existence. There could be such a thing, but there is not.
Filed under: My
is bigger than yours., "Is" also indicates "at present", so past or future examples are .The universe is a pretty big place. If it's theoretically possible, can you prove it's not the case anywhere?
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ry denied
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@Lorne-Kates said in Waze Wars:
There's no such thing as sub-zero K/R.
Theoretically, there is. Temperature is just a measurement of entropy in the system. Adding more energy adds entropy.
There are techniques where adding energy takes away entropy--
Cloud of atoms goes beyond absolute zero
The existence of negative temperatures on the Kelvin scale could help us understand dark energy as well as revise the thinking about what temperature really is
I reject your
and replace it with my own.
Filed under: I reject it WITH SCIENCE!
Ah, but I said there**'s** no such thing. That contraction means, "there is no such thing." You say it's theoretically possible, but "is" indicates existence. There could be such a thing, but there is not.
Filed under: My
is bigger than yours., "Is" also indicates "at present", so past or future examples are .The universe is a pretty big place. If it's theoretically possible, can you prove it's not the case anywhere?
If you find such an example, I challenge you to prove that the event was concurrent with my statement.
Filed under: Simultaneity is tricky.
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@another_sam said in Waze Wars:
@Scarlet_Manuka said in Waze Wars:
Ah yes, I'm sure riding a bicycle along here during the morning peak hour when it's jammed with cars would not involve any traffic problems whatsoever.
Ride on the shoulder.
Brave the traffic and make the cars go around you. If it's jammed they're not going faster than you anyway.
Find a route with a better path.
Move house.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Waze Wars:
There's no such thing as sub-zero K/R.
Theoretically, there is. Temperature is just a measurement of entropy in the system. Adding more energy adds entropy.
There are techniques where adding energy takes away entropy--
Cloud of atoms goes beyond absolute zero
The existence of negative temperatures on the Kelvin scale could help us understand dark energy as well as revise the thinking about what temperature really is
I reject your
and replace it with my own.
Filed under: I reject it WITH SCIENCE!
Ah, but I said there**'s** no such thing. That contraction means, "there is no such thing." You say it's theoretically possible, but "is" indicates existence. There could be such a thing, but there is not.
Filed under: My
is bigger than yours., "Is" also indicates "at present", so past or future examples are .The universe is a pretty big place. If it's theoretically possible, can you prove it's not the case anywhere?
If you find such an example, I challenge you to prove that the event was concurrent with my statement.
Filed under: Simultaneity is tricky.
That is simply a matter of choosing the correct reference frame.
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@boomzilla said in Waze Wars:
The GPS on my phone only ever works when the screen is turned off
Maybe we should all pill up, collect a few dollars and get you a working, modern phone for a few dollars more you can get a phone pocket to wear next to your
Fuck you, give him a phone!
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Sub zero °C?
That one.
Or °F?
That's proper cold and I'm not that hard.
Or K/R?
I imagine the bike frame would become very brittle. That would be an interesting experience but perhaps a bit too painful.
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@anotherusername said in Waze Wars:
Does it matter? They're all far too cold to be riding a bicycle.
Soft!
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@another_sam But the pig is inside out. And it exploded.
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@error Please hold.
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@ben_lubar I am currently replaying Episode 2, having just replayed Half-Life 2 and Episode 1. Last time I played I didn't get the joke with Lamarr the headcrab. This time I'm sending a very annoying gnome into space because why not?
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@blakeyrat said in Waze Wars:
In the UK you have to pay a tax for owning a TV.
These days, TVS are really just.... really large tablets (especially if they support touchscreen).
As usual, laws about tech are pretty stupid, but I think that's just an extension of authoritarian laws are stupid.
Just, find a backup battery, plug it into the TV, and claim it's a mobile device.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Waze Wars:
Then again, I also did watch a sports car (that apparently didn't have anti-lock brakes) squeal as the driver slammed their brake pedal while going 60+ as the light turned yellow. The car ended up stopping in the middle of the intersection, and the driver hit it in reverse to get back before the crosswalk.
This is why you allow entry into the intersection on yellow light. Because the stupidity that ensues is worse without that.
I don't understand the issue. Leave work 30 minutes later, or earlier.
Or, here's a novel idea, switch to working from home.
Hell, let's make it a national movement. Anyone that CAN work from home, SHOULD.
Not only do you save traffic, save the environment, save energy, you also reduce stress, increase productivity, and generally (I do at least) increase work hours too.
@Adynathos said in Waze Wars:
So instead of road blocks, build more public transport.
Actually, just plan your damn cities.
Stop letting stupid business owners pile up apartment complexes all on the same three roads.
Use smart infrastructure, smart lights, etc.
Lay out your roads so that everything works like a leaf/blood-vessels. Nature's already figured this one out people...
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This is why you allow entry into the intersection on yellow light. Because the stupidity that ensues is worse without that.
Where I am the law says to stop if you are able to do so safely on amber light. That means stopping before the line without losing control. If you're too close to stop, don't. Just keep going. It does not mean continue if someone is following too closely, because that's their problem not yours.
I have a friend who got a traffic infringement notice when a cop watched him go through an amber light. He was very surprised to learn (the hard way) that the amber light doesn't just mean "this light is turning red soon".
Or, here's a novel idea, switch to working from home.
This is also valid.
Actually, just plan your damn cities.
That's difficult and I agree but I'm surprised to hear you advocating any kind of centralised planning. You do know that's government, right?
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@another_sam said in Waze Wars:
advocating any kind of centralised planning.
The roads are going to mostly remain public. So, the government has the responsibility to at least lay them out in a reasonable fashion. It's sad when the planned communities that the private industry has cooked up have far superior traffic than the publicly planned areas.
I haven't decided whether I like zoning laws. Houston doesn't have zoning laws, and it does produce problems with terribly located apartments. However, the introduction of these planned communities is an interesting private alternative to zoning. It's definitely effective.
@another_sam said in Waze Wars:
It does not mean continue if someone is following too closely
I'd argue that if it's safe to do so, then absolutely consider the person following you.
Last thing you want is for me to sue the city because of that stupid traffic law, because I decided to stop with someone following so closely and they slammed into me, when I could have otherwise avoided the wreck.
Even though it's not my fault, it's my neck and back, my child in the car, not the city's.
Note that I don't mean to fly through a red light to avoid a rear-end collision. I'm just talking about entering a yellow light safely.
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just plan your damn cities.
You're funny. My commute goes 75% over roads that are provable been there at almost the exact same spot since the 14 century. The reason they aren't older is mainly because around that time the land I'm standing on was only definitely claimed from the sea.
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touchscreen
On a TV? That's stupid. That's not a thing, right? Please tell me that's not a thing
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Maybe we should all pill up, collect a few dollars and get you a working, modern phone
Sure. I only upgraded to this one because it was my wife's phone and she really needed the GPS to be reliable.
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@another_sam said in Waze Wars:
@ben_lubar I am currently replaying Episode 2, having just replayed Half-Life 2 and Episode 1. Last time I played I didn't get the joke with Lamarr the headcrab. This time I'm sending a very annoying gnome into space because why not?
Protip: close the rocket's door or it doesn't count as an achievement.
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@another_sam said in Waze Wars:
Where I am the law says to stop if you are able to do so safely on amber light.
Where is that? Can you find the applicable law?
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@anotherusername
That's the rule in the UK, and they seem to have exported it to other places too.AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident
A yellow signal means stop, unless you are so close to the intersection that you can't stop safely. A yellow signal indicates that the lights will soon turn red.
South Australia Driver's Handbook
Yellow Light
This indicates that the lights are about to change to red. You must not enter the intersection unless you are so close to the stop line that you are unable to stop safely without entering the intersection or risking a rear-end crash with vehicles following you.
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@error that depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Waze Wars:
Yeah, I forgot about the "and blindly staring at their phone while they rocket to work" bit.
Probably
'd but... it's no different than any other GPS unit. It sits on the dash. (But not today, gotta leave for the train now!)
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or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident
unless you are so close to the intersection that you can't stop safely
unless you are so close to the stop line that you are unable to stop safely without entering the intersection or risking a rear-end crash with vehicles following you
Sounds like "the guy behind me would've rear-ended me" is a solid defense in all 3 places.
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I'll never understand why these apps are so popular.
You must not live where the commuting is bad. Before I move so close to work, I had a 60-minute commute each way, and nearly the entire 20 mile distance was stop and go city traffic, with several traffic lights every mile. (By "nearly" I mean about 16-17 miles, btw.) I spent an inordinate amount of time measuring, and the difference between driving in ideal conditions vs rush hour was approximately 20 minutes, most of it spent at red lights. Over time I tried nearly every street combination between home and work--I never did get more than a few minutes shaved off my time, but I managed eventually to find a route that skipped all the school zones and other hot spots. It still took a long time, but at least the drive was less miserable.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Waze Wars:
as soon as a drop of rain hits the pavement
Yeah. Idiots in my state don't know how to drive and have a weird phobia of rain. It's really weird.
I mean, I could understand wrecks caused by the amazing sun being in the perfect angle to make viewing out of the windshield literally impossible without computer vision, but rain?
In Western Washington, everyone's used to rain, but the 30/30 rule applies to snow: let a single snowflake touch the asphalt anywhere in the Puget Sound region, and 30% of all drivers will instantly lose 30 points of IQ. And it's not like it's California or anything; it snows almost every year. People should be used to it! But you'd never know that from the way they drive...
Then again, I also did watch a sports car (that apparently didn't have anti-lock brakes) squeal as the driver slammed their brake pedal while going 60+ as the light turned yellow. The car ended up stopping in the middle of the intersection, and the driver hit it in reverse to get back before the crosswalk.
Idiot. Everyone knows that the yellow light rule is to slow down and stop if it's feasible and safe, and if not, go through quickly. Slamming on your brakes for a yellow light is the worst possible response.
Or if that's private road, setting up speed bumps on the road to annoy those who drive at 45 MPH.
Problem is, speed bumps annoy those who drive at 25 too. Speed bumps are annoying even if you're going 10 MPH, for that matter.
I'd argue that if it's safe to do so, then absolutely consider the person following you.
Last thing you want is for me to sue the city because of that stupid traffic law, because I decided to stop with someone following so closely and they slammed into me, when I could have otherwise avoided the wreck.
No, you sue the moron who was tailgating you. With certain very narrowly-defined exceptions, the guy behind is automatically considered liable in the event of a rear-end collision.
And for the life of me I cannot understand why it's so common! If lawmakers had any sense at all they would treat tailgating exactly the same as drunk driving. (If that sounds weird or "extreme", just think about it for a few moments. Why do we find drunk driving particularly problematic? Two specific reasons are usually cited: alcohol impairs your judgment and screws up your reaction time. Well, tailgating gives you less time to react, and is prima facie proof of poor judgment even if you're not drunk, so how is it any different?)
@sloosecannon said in Waze Wars:
touchscreen
On a TV? That's stupid. That's not a thing, right? Please tell me that's not a thing
Maybe not, but it can still be amusing. A friend of mine told me about how his wife had gone shopping with their 2-year-old. They went by a place in the store where they had a bunch of TVs on display, and of course the kid was attracted by them. But apparently the show they had on was boring, because he reached out and tried to swipe it to a different channel!
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@NedFodder said in Waze Wars:
The article was about the DMV metro area. Based on the way the roads are laid out and commuting patterns in the area, everyone has multiple routes to get to work. Every day, at least one of those routes will be backed up by an accident. Knowing whether your preferred route is clear is a required skill.
When I lived in DC (Fairfax, actually) 10 years ago, I had a co-worker who lived in Maryland. His commute was, literally "anywhere from 2 to 4 hours, depending on traffic." Something like Waze, that would let him skip the hot spots like that, could, then, literally free up 2 hours of his day, in each direction, in the worst-case scenario.
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@Adynathos said in Waze Wars:
The core issue seems to be that the main roads do not have enough capacity for the number of people that want to travel.
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So instead of road blocks, build more public transport.In the US, a lot of the problems due to limited road capacity is precisely because planners built public transport instead of improving the roads.
DMV is a vast, sprawling, relatively-low-density area. Wide-area mass transit isn't really feasible unless you're going to force everyone to move into apartment towers near the rail stations. Which some people would like to do.
