"Working" from home.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @abarker said:

    You expect a n00b who can't handle HTML to be able to do that?

    Yes. They do need to be careful with the ink ribbon though.



  • @fwd said:

    You just type a bunch of underscores then roll the page back a line and type over them.

    Or you can just overline on the next line down
    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾


  • BINNED

    Fails miserably if using a different font.



  • @Onyx said:

    Fails miserably if using a different font.

    That's not failure, it's an über underline.



  • @abarker said:

    You expect a n00b who can't handle HTML to be able to do that?

    What HTML? Just press the CR button and turn the roller up a line.


  • BINNED

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    CR button

    Button? You mean you have a button for that? Bah, today's kids and their fancy typewriters... next you're going to tell me you have a separate button for 1 as well.

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    roller up a line

    What? How does CR imply LF? Are you using one of those Linux typewriters again?


  • FoxDev

    @Onyx said:

    Are you using one of those Linux typewriters again?

    no. linux typewriters have a LF button and a CR lever.

    :-P


  • BINNED

    @accalia said:

    CR lever

    You all used some mighty fancy typewriters.

    All I had was LF lever and dragging the carriage back by hand.


  • FoxDev

    @Onyx said:

    All I had was LF lever and dragging the carriage back by hand.

    This is just asking for someone to come along and state they had to drag the carriage up a hill both ways in midwinter to get a newline… 😆



  • @RaceProUK said:

    This is just asking for someone to come along and state they had to drag the carriage up a hill both ways in midwinter to get a newline…

    And the wolves! Don't forget the wolves!


  • BINNED

    Am I now not allowed to state facts if they sound too archaic? What if there really are children on my lawn?


  • FoxDev

    @Onyx said:

    What if there really are children on my lawn?

    Then you should speak to @boomzilla ;)



  • @Ragnax said:

    @RaceProUK said:
    This is just asking for someone to come along and state they had to drag the carriage up a hill both ways in midwinter to get a newline…

    And the wolves! Don't forget the wolves!

    I would, but I was eaten by wolves after being unable to climb uphill in either direction because my feet were frostbitten, before I learned to speak.

    Filed Under: Really did walk to/from school uphill both ways.


  • FoxDev

    @CarrieVS said:

    I was eaten by wolves

    That would explain why you're now a cyborg ;)


  • FoxDev

    @Onyx said:

    All I had was LF lever and dragging the carriage back by hand.

    ah..... a VAX typewriter.

    i bow before your superior computing experience.

    :-P



  • @RaceProUK said:

    why you're now a cyborg

    If I didn't already have a backstory, I'd take that one.


  • BINNED

    Hey! I managed to find the exact model I had at home by pure accident!

    Well. I say had, I think it's still... somewhere...


  • FoxDev

    The spacebar looks like it's made of nougat, and is drooping at both ends because it's warm 😄



  • Sweet.

    But, man, massive brain-fart for me... I learned to touch-type on a manual... but for years when I have mimed fake typing I would pretend to hit the carriage-return lever with my right hand.

    :facepalm:

    It's pretty cool to be able to stare straight at people and have a conversation while blazing away at the keyboard.

    Anybody know? Hebrew and Arabic typewriters must have the CR on the right, right?


  • BINNED

    @ijij said:

    but for years when I have mimed fake typing I would pretend to hit the carriage-return lever with my right hand.

    On one hand, it might be a misconception due to Return being on the right on keyboards we use now.

    On the other, I'm pretty sure it was on the right damn it! That image is confusing me for the same reason. If I knew where the damned thing is I'd go and check right now.



  • @Onyx said:

    On the other, I'm pretty sure it was on the right damn it! That image is confusing me for the same reason. If I knew where the damned thing is I'd go and check right now.

    I'm glad I'm not alone, at least.

    Maybe we can start a support group....


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Keith said:

    That's not failure, it's an über underline.

    An ünderline?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @RaceProUK said:

    This is just asking for someone to come along and state they had to drag the carriage up a hill both ways in midwinter to get a newline

    No, no, old-timers actually harnessed pigeons to the carriage and had them try to fly away, to drag it in the right direction.



  • @FrostCat said:

    No, no, old-timers actually harnessed pigeons to the carriage and had them try to fly away, to drag it in the right direction.

    You weren't there. It seemed like a good idea at the time.


  • Java Dev

    @Onyx said:

    On one hand, it might be a misconception due to <kbd>Return</kbd> being on the right on keyboards we use now.

    On the other, I'm pretty sure it was on the right damn it! That image is confusing me for the same reason. If I knew where the damned thing is I'd go and check right now.

    Just think: Given that the place new letters appear is constant, where is the roll when you're at the end of the line?

    Lever on the left is the only thing that makes sense. If it were on the right you'd be pulling it.


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    @RaceProUK said:

    Your wages come with a sprinkling of coriander cilantro?

    Fixed that for our side of the pond.


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    @Captain said:

    The lie is where he said its trivial to convert a PDF into HTML.

    I was thinking the same thing. HTML to PDF is trivial. The other way around though...not so much.

    Of course, the smart thing to do would be to just generate PDF and HTML from a shared source.


  • FoxDev

    @Polygeekery said:

    Fixed that for our side of the pond.

    speak for yourself.

    coriander > cilantro


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    @accalia said:

    speak for yourself.

    I did. ;)

    Here in 'murica, coriander is with the dried spices.


  • FoxDev

    @Polygeekery said:

    Here in 'murica, coriander is with the dried spices.

    and 'muricans are wrong about that. coriander is amazingly much better than cilantro.


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    @accalia said:

    coriander is amazingly much better than cilantro.

    Huh? Have you been drinking?


  • FoxDev

    You and @accalia are arguing about the same thing 😆


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    @RaceProUK said:

    You and @accalia are arguing about the same thing

    I know this, which is why I asked if she had been drinking when she said that coriander was better than cilantro. ;)


  • FoxDev

    @Polygeekery said:

    Huh? Have you been drinking?

    not unless some bastard has spiked my Assam tea leaves, nope.

    besides who said i was talking about the food item.

    coriander is way more fun to say than cilantro!


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    I have no idea if you are aware of it, but here in the US we call the plant "cilantro", but the dried seeds are referred to as "coriander" and coriander is sold with the dried spices.

    When talking to Across-the-pondians, I know that when you say coriander, you are referring to what I call cilantro.

    I still have no idea how much a "knob of butter" is.


  • FoxDev

    @Polygeekery said:

    I have no idea if you are aware of it, but here in the US we call the plant "cilantro", but the dried seeds are referred to as "coriander" and coriander is sold with the dried spices.

    Vaguely aware ;)
    @Polygeekery said:
    I still have no idea how much a "knob of butter" is.


  • FoxDev

    @RaceProUK said:

    How much is a knob of butter?

    that doesn't exactly help. (although i already knew the answer)

    also since when did highlight quote reply work in oneboxes?


  • FoxDev

    It's more to show there doesn't seem to be a definitive amount. Having said that, why does it seem to be yet another Britishism I don't know but you do? 😛


  • FoxDev

    😃

    i have no idea.... :-D



  • Well, technically it can't be a Britishism, because actually it depends on what part of the UKONITIMAOT you come from!

    (now zog off ye' git!)



  • As a counter-point, if I take a vacation over the summer, now I'm not able to get sick for the rest of the year, as I might not have any sick days left.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    Assuming people are generally responsible adults, and the "use it or lose it policy" from work makes sense, that's a complete strawman.

    Before one pool:

    • Vacation 5 days (use/lose as of Dec 31)
    • Sick 5 days (builds up to a certain amount)

    One pool annual accrual (option A):

    • Total pool gains 10 days on January 1, some amount (all, or all but a few days) expires as of December 31.

    One pool on a per-pay-period accrual (option B, what I live within):

    • Total pool gains 10/26 of a day per pay period, max balance 10 days at any point in time.

    So, if you use up your whole pool on vacation, then yeah, you can't get sick. But if you take your normal 5 days vacation, you still have 5 days that built up over the year (or, in the longer term, you transferred forward from a previous year) as your sick reserve. If the company is expiring the total pool in a one-pool system, and they weren't expiring (all) sick days before, then yes, they did screw you with the change. I would expect that would be a really rare occurrence.

    I'll concede that the transition year can be rough, especially if you do go from annual accrual to per-pay-period accrual. But I'd strongly argue that any responsible, healthy, honest adult is better off with single pool than split pools, because he's at least going to get a few extra vacation days right before the pool expiration date.



  • @izzion said:

    right before the pool expiration date.

    Except that everyone is trying to take that piece of vacation at the same time.
    Which they can't, so somebody loses out - or pretends they're sick, which is worse for the employer.

    What I don't understand is why companies insist on everyone having the same vacation pool expiration date. Spread it out ffs, then when I'm desperately trying to use it, nobody else in my dept. is trying to use theirs.



  • I'm just glad I'm on a contract and can't take paid time off at all.



  • @lightsoff said:

    What I don't understand is why companies insist on everyone having the same vacation pool expiration date.

    Seriously, what insanity is this? Every place I've worked at has operated on a basis of "you get x amount per year, which accumulates per pay period until used1". If anything, we have the opposite problem - if you get up to around 5 or 6 weeks accrued, your manager will probably come around and have a talk with you about when you can take some of it.

    (Company) retains the right to direct Employees with excess of 8 weeks annual leave accrued to take annual leave, provided reasonable notice (4 weeks) is given.

    1 This typically applies for annual (vacation) leave; sick leave usually only accumulates up to a ceiling (often one year's accrual). Also, when you leave the job, unused annual leave is paid out but unused sick leave usually isn't. So make sure you take lots of sick days right before the end2 ;)
    2 Of course, "more than n sick days in a row? You'll need a doctor's certificate" applies.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @lightsoff said:

    vacation pool expiration date.

    TRWTF. Every place I've worked has thankfully had a maximum accrual (usually something like several years worth of leave) at which point you stop accruing any more.



  • @Polygeekery said:

    @RaceProUK said:
    Your wages come with a sprinkling of coriander cilantro that herb that tastes like soap?

    Fixed that for our side of the pond.

    Fixed that for a rather large group of people.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    But even in that case, you (the responsible, honest, healthy worker) are no worse off than you were before the switch to PTO, assuming the expiration rules are fundamentally the same. And if they're worse, then the problem isn't the PTO bank, it's the change in expiration rules!

    Scenario 1:

    • Before: +5 days vacation, +5 days sick, accrued Jan 1, vacation expires Dec 31, can roll over 5 days sick year to year.

    • After: +10 days PTO accrued Jan 1, can roll over 5 days PTO year to year

    • RHH worker: goes from 5 to 7 days vacation in year 1, because he knows a 3 day buffer is fine (he doesn't ever get sick, he's healthy!). gets 10 days vacation thereafter. Strictly better result!

    • RHHC worker: gets 5 days vacation in year 1, because he needs that 5 day buffer to sleep at night (conservatives gonna worry!). gets 10 days vacation thereafter. Strictly better result!

    • DLS worker: gets 10 days vacation every year, but he was already there, (because brown bottle flu, yo). Still relying on doctors notes and unpaid leave when he actually does get sick after his pool time is gone. No change.

    Scenario 2:

    • Before: +5 days vacation, +5 days sick, accrued Jan 1, vacation expires Dec 31, can roll over 5 days sick year to year.

    • After: +10 days PTO accrued Jan 1, all PTO expires Dec 31, nobody can take any PTO that wasn't approved before November 1.

    • RHH worker: gets 7 days vacation in all years, because he knows a 3 day buffer is fine (he doesn't ever get sick, he's healthy!). loses 3 days to the expiration monster each year. Strictly better result! (5->7 days off per year, and he was losing 5 days sick time a year after year 1 previously anyway)

    • RHHC worker: gets 5 days vacation in all years, because he needs that 5 day buffer to sleep at night (conservatives gonna worry!). No change.

    • DLS worker: gets 10 days vacation every year, but he was already there, (because brown bottle flu, yo). Still relying on doctors notes and unpaid leave when he actually does get sick after his pool time is gone. No change.

    Scenario 3:

    • Before: +5 days vacation, +5 days sick, accrued Jan 1, vacation expires Dec 31, can roll over 5 days sick year to year.
    • After: +10 days PTO accrued evenly by paycheck, up to 10 days total in bank at any given time.

    Here's where the actual results get a little sticky, depending on how the transition happens. When my company switched, they were originally going to let people go negative in year 1 (subject to having wages withheld if they left while negative) and then the grace period would end with Jan 1 year 2 (you'd have to have it to take it after that). After a few complaints, they decided instead to GIVE everyone an additional 50% of their annual accrual on Jan 1, year 1, and not reduce the accruals at all (and I really wanted to smack everyone who was still complaining after that). Another solution that would make sense to me would be to GIVE the 50% up front and cut the accrual rate in half for year 1 (or only accrue from Jan 1 through June 30 for established staff during year 1). The analysis below will assume negative balance allowed in year 1 only, and that all three workers will stay with the company until at least year 2.

    • RHH worker: goes from 5 to 7 days vacation in year 1, because he knows a 3 day buffer is fine (he doesn't ever get sick, he's healthy!). gets 10 days vacation thereafter. Strictly better result!
    • RHHC worker: gets 5 days vacation in year 1, because he needs that 5 day buffer to sleep at night (conservatives gonna worry!). gets 10 days vacation thereafter. Strictly better result!
    • DLS worker: gets 10 days vacation every year, but he was already there, (because brown bottle flu, yo). After year 1, he has to spread the 10 days vacation out throughout the year (or delay the big vacation into December). Still relying on doctors notes and unpaid leave when he actually does get sick after his pool time is gone. No change to maybe slightly worse.

    Filed under: This is why economics needs to be the 4th R


  • kills Dumbledore

    @Polygeekery said:

    I still have no idea how much a "knob of butter" is.

    About 5 inches, but I tell people it's more like 9


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    It all depends on where you start measuring.


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