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@remi said in Internet of shit:
And yet you conveniently ignored the fact that 1) I did not ask for a way to see the differences
Many people don’t outright ask for things they want anyway.
Rejected. You still have not read what I wrote, even less understood it.
No, I have and I do. I’m saying that as far as I’m concerned, most pictures I take are ones where I care what they look like. I hardly ever take quick snapshots.
I guess I want to see that on picture that I take with my phone. I tried once more: I took twice the same picture (more or less), one with HDR and the other without. Here they are (snapshot of both side-by-side on my screen -- I could send the original pictures if you really insist, but I think these should be enough to make my point, plus I'd have to make sure I've stripped out tags
). Quick, tell me which is which?My guess would have been that the HDR one is on the right, and that was before I read your hint. I based this on the windows (if that’s what they are) visible outside, being clearer, less washed out, in the picture on the right than on the left.
To me, the answer to those questions is "not really, no, no". Thus my much repeated conclusion that to me, HDR is useless.
In this case it makes little or not difference, sure. That doesn’t mean it never produces better photos, though. It all depends on the circumstances: for my sky pictures, a lot of the time the HDR one shows more detail, but sometimes it causes very unnatural halo-like or even posterised effects around the sun, so then the non-HDR one is better. I also find HDR useful when taking photos in poor lighting, like indoors when it’s dark outside.
But why are you getting so worked up about this? I don’t think anyone here ever claimed HDR is a magic bullet that makes all photos better, or even noticeably different. If you don’t see a use for it, then don’t use it. Nobody is telling you that you should, or that you should like HDR photos better than non-HDR ones.
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@remi said in Internet of shit:
Quick, tell me which is which?
Not that I wish to watch this go on for longer, but I had thought the exact same as @Gurth – HDR on the right; and I am by no means a professional photographer. That you can't tell the difference does not mean a difference doesn't exist.
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
That doesn’t mean it never produces better photos, though.
Now I'm getting irritated on his behalf. He never said this or insinuated that.
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@kazitor said in Internet of shit:
That you can't tell the difference does not mean a difference doesn't exist.
I'm pretty sure he didn't say that.
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
But why are you getting so worked up about this? I don’t think anyone here ever claimed HDR is a magic bullet that makes all photos better, or even noticeably different. If you don’t see a use for it, then don’t use it. Nobody is telling you that you should, or that you should like HDR photos better than non-HDR ones.
I'm not getting worked about HDR, I'm getting worked about people answering questions that I never asked, or assuming I said things that I never did (at least @Tsaukpaetra is seeing it, I'm not the only one!), or repeatedly missing my point after I've said it at least 3 or 4 times. I'm also getting worked about people repeating arguments that I said myself as if they were bringing a new point to the discussion. I know it's how TDWTF works, reading is a barrier to answering etc. but still, that's annoying. If you're trolling me, at least put some humour to make it fun to read.
Anyway, if anything this discussion has reinforced my belief that I can safely ignore the HDR mode of my phone, in my case it is useless.
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@remi said in Internet of shit:
Quick, tell me which is which?
HDR straightened the top of the window in the photo on the right.
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@Zecc
At least someone else is seeing it! I was wondering if I was alone with this but the crooked window was seriously messing with my OCD.HDR really is a life saver for all us OCD sufferers.
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@remi said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
But why are you getting so worked up about this? I don’t think anyone here ever claimed HDR is a magic bullet that makes all photos better, or even noticeably different. If you don’t see a use for it, then don’t use it. Nobody is telling you that you should, or that you should like HDR photos better than non-HDR ones.
I'm not getting worked about HDR, I'm getting worked about people answering questions that I never asked, or assuming I said things that I never did (at least @Tsaukpaetra is seeing it, I'm not the only one!), or repeatedly missing my point after I've said it at least 3 or 4 times. I'm also getting worked about people repeating arguments that I said myself as if they were bringing a new point to the discussion. I know it's how TDWTF works, reading is a barrier to answering etc. but still, that's annoying. If you're trolling me, at least put some humour to make it fun to read.
Anyway, if anything this discussion has reinforced my belief that I can safely ignore the HDR mode of my phone, in my case it is useless.
Hey, @blakeyrat, you accidentally signed in to the wrong alt
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@TwelveBaud said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra ... the hell is Mario Chess?
Oh hey, I have one of those too! Never opened it, since I don't really play chess with anyone. Think I got it as a holiday gift a couple years ago.
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@e4tmyl33t said in Internet of shit:
@TwelveBaud said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra ... the hell is Mario Chess?
Oh hey, I have one of those too! Never opened it, since I don't really play chess with anyone. Think I got it as a holiday gift a couple years ago.
Exactly this. We should quantum-entangle them and play sometime!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
@kazitor said in Internet of shit:
That you can't tell the difference does not mean a difference doesn't exist.
I'm pretty sure he didn't say that.
How would I know? I just let my shoulder aliens summarise these long, drawn-out exchanges for me.
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Devices that automatically call 911 for you! Nothing can possibly go wrong with this! 40 911 auto-dials per day is not a problem at all in a relatively small county with limited resources!
Sarpy dispatchers say Apple upgrade causing thousands of 911 hang-ups
Sarpy County Communications said it has seen a rise in the number of unintentional calls this year possibly due to an apple upgrade.
Sarpy County Communications said it has seen a rise in the number of unintentional calls this year possibly due to an apple upgrade.
Dispatchers said that so far this year, they’ve received 7,000 abandoned calls.
[..]
On an Apple iPhone, if you hit the button on the side enough, it'll ask if you want to call 911.Newer Apple watches will call for help if they think you've fallen.
“If you push a button too long, or one of the buttons, it may be a preprogrammed thing to call 911, or SOS. It may ask you, but if it’s in your pocket, you don't know. So you need to be aware,” Muldoon said.
Muldoon said the caller usually hangs up after realizing their device has called 911.
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@mott555 said in Internet of shit:
On an Apple iPhone, if you hit the button on the side enough, it'll ask if you want to call 911.
And here I was kind of chagrined that my phone apparently rebooted on me the other day while in my pocket.
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Amazon Is Coaching Cops on How to Obtain Surveillance Footage Without a Warrant
Ring, Amazon’s home surveillance company, is teaching police how to convince residents to share camera footage with them.
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@mott555 Those must be really dumb people.
For the iPhone: You must press rather long on two side buttons on the opposite sides of the iPhone. And I've never done so accidentally. And even then it doesn't call automatically, you still have to actually select the SOS call option with a swipe.
For the Watch: Yes, it does call an emergency number if it thinks you have fallen. That's an opt-in service, however (and only available if your age is set above 60(?) in your account). And before it does so it will ask if you're alright with a 30(?) seconds delay before actually dialing.
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@Rhywden I once took my phone out of my pocket to find it on the Uber login screen.
...I've never installed Uber. Somehow, random interactions between my pocket/leg and the touchscreen were able to unlock the phone (I don't have a passcode, just a swipe-up), open up the app store, download Uber, then launch it, all without user intervention. Accidentally calling 911 seems a lot easier than that.
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@mott555 said in Internet of shit:
@Rhywden I once took my phone out of my pocket to find it on the Uber login screen.
...I've never installed Uber. Somehow, random interactions between my pocket/leg and the touchscreen were able to unlock the phone (I don't have a passcode, just a swipe-up), open up the app store, download Uber, then launch it, all without user intervention. Accidentally calling 911 seems a lot easier than that.
Yeah, that's also not possible on an iPhone. Installing an app from the app store requires me to press the side button twice quickly and will time out rather fast. I'm calling BS on their conclusion.
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@Rhywden said in Internet of shit:
For the iPhone: You must press rather long on two side buttons on the opposite sides of the iPhone. And I've never done so accidentally. And even then it doesn't call automatically, you still have to actually select the SOS call option with a swipe.
This may depend on your model? On mine, if you rapidly hit the power button five times it calls 911 and also notifies your emergency contacts. I can see that accidentally happening, though I think it'd be tricky.
At the same time, I think it's a great idea and I wish my Android had the same thing.
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@heterodox said in Internet of shit:
This may depend on your model?
TIL. Now I know not to do the normal way to reboot things that have a single button on an iWatch...
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Ring Told People to Snitch on Their Neighbors in Exchange for Free Stuff
Ring helped people form private ‘Digital Neighborhood Watches’ where they report ‘suspicious activity’ in exchange for free Ring products and discounts, according to a presentation obtained by Motherboard.
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@remi said in Internet of shit:
it is a good tool to have when you are taking pictures where you care about
the qualityactually being able to see the detail you intended to capture.It's not really about "qualtiy" as in "looking good". Where HDR is useful, it's because the corresponding non-HDR picture is mostly a solid white blob on a solid black background as the dynamic range of the thing you're trying to capture is way too large for your camera's sensor.
TBH, I don't know if the real-life phone implementations of HDR are actually up to that task, because I haven't been able to find any such mode in my camera app; but there have been a few cases where I would have liked to try it because the non-HDR picture was just useless.
Obviously in your example there's not much difference, because the scene is rather evenly lighted, there are no really deep shadows and the brightest part is a featureless shade anyway. Try it some time when you're in a situation where there's an actual chance of it being useful (e. g. something interesting is hidden in the glare of the sun in a non-HDR picture, or a lone lamp in the night, or something of that sort).
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@ixvedeusi said in Internet of shit:
Obviously in your example there's not much difference, because the scene is rather evenly lighted, there are no really deep shadows and the brightest part is a featureless shade anyway. Try it some time when you're in a situation where there's an actual chance of it being useful (e. g. something interesting is hidden in the glare of the sun in a non-HDR picture, or a lone lamp in the night, or something of that sort).
I have, and it doesn't work. I always get something similar to my example above, and similar to the example posted by whoever-it-was and that sparked a long stream of people not bothering to read what I wrote before repeating what I had actually written as if they were teaching me something.
but there have been a few cases where I would have liked to try it because the non-HDR picture was just useless.
Same for me, which is why I play with the option now and then. And in each and every case, I think it should be useful, but I end up with the same result.
And also, no:
a solid white blob on a solid black background
does not produce magically better results with HDR, at least not in my experience (last time I tried was a lunar eclipse, pretty good definition of a white blob (the moon) on a solid black background (the sky)). It stays a solid white blob on a solid black background, maybe a slightly smaller blob of slightly less white with a slightly large neither-white-nor-black halo in between the two blobs, but definitely not better than anything else you can do to actually make that picture work.
But since by your own admission:
I don't know if the real-life phone implementations of HDR are actually up to that task, because I haven't been able to find any such mode in my camera app
I'm not surprised that you still believe it work like you say, since you're just talking theory.
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@remi said in Internet of shit:
pretty good definition of a white blob (the moon) on a solid black background (the sky)).
Well, I didn't mean an actual white blob on an actual solid black background, but more a case where the photo looks like a solid white blob on a solid black background but isn't to my eyes...
I'm not surprised that you still believe it work like you say, since you're just talking theory.
"Believe" is a big word, but thanks for squashing my hopes and dreams
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@ixvedeusi said in Internet of shit:
@remi said in Internet of shit:
pretty good definition of a white blob (the moon) on a solid black background (the sky)).
Well, I didn't mean an actual white blob on an actual solid black background, but more a case where the photo looks like a solid white blob on a solid black background but isn't to my eyes...
With a reasonably good camera (and by that I just mean a non-totally crappy one, not a high-end professional one (1)), you can take great Moon pictures, where you can see some details of the surface, so it's not really an actual white blob. (but you're right for the background, with an average camera if the moon is full the sky is very likely going to look almost entirely black)
(1) In fact the moon-photography experience I'm recounting here started because someone sent me a picture of that eclipse that they took with their phone, and I thought that where I was I could probably snap a couple of nice ones (with some landscape etc.). It turned out that 1) my phone camera is not as good as theirs (I already knew it from past experience), 2) I was not really motivated enough to spend long enough to find a really nice spot, where I could steady my phone enough to get longer exposure etc. (and TBH if I had been motivated enough, I would have fetched my DSLR camera rather than just my phone!), and more relevant to this thread, 3) HDR did not help at all in making pictures better, whereas various other tweaks did help (a bit).
I'm not surprised that you still believe it work like you say, since you're just talking theory.
"Believe" is a big word, but thanks for squashing my hopes and dreams
I think I had the same opinion as you a couple of years ago. I had played with HDR on my computer (at a time when you had to manually take and combine pictures), and was quite enthusiastic when I saw that the option was built into my phone. But then I was disappointed when I actually tried it.
Although some other people in this thread seem to believe that HDR makes a great difference (to them at least) and that I must be blind or something, so I guess YMMV
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@remi said in Internet of shit:
with an average camera if the moon is full the sky is very likely going to look almost entirely black
Quite. The difference between the full moon and the next brightest object in the sky (Venus at its brightest) is 8 orders of (astronomical) magnitude. If I did the calculation right, that's a brightness ratio of a bit under 1600:1 (i.e., the moon is 1600 times as bright as the brightest other astronomical object that could possibly be in the night sky with it) or equivalently, 64 dB or 10.6 f stops. According to camerastuffreview.com, the best professional grade Nikon they reviewed had a useful dynamic range of 9.9 stops (with less expensive cameras as low as 5.5 stops). With even a really good camera, exposing for detail in the full moon will result in the rest of the sky being below the sensor's noise floor.
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@remi said in Internet of shit:
with an average camera if the moon is full the sky is very likely going to look almost entirely black
@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
[...]YesTL;DRTFY
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@JBert said in Internet of shit:
@remi said in Internet of shit:
with an average camera if the moon is full the sky is very likely going to look almost entirely black
@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
[...]YesTL;DRTFY
True, but I found this was a fairly good
post. Technical details, some maths, references to external sources. 10/10, would read again.I'd rather be uselessly
'ed like this than being told how I can use my computer to compare two images (apparently one way is to use some fancy stuff called "tabs", whatever that means... 
).
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Teen finds way around parents’ tech confiscation: Tweeting from the smart fridge (Update: bogus)
Having your tech confiscated feels close to the end of the world. But this teen did what any future genius would do — tweet from her family’s smart fridge.
After this article was published, BuzzFeed wrote an article about this story possibly being fake, on the grounds that none of LG’s smart fridges have the Twitter app installed. We’ll update the story as we learn more.
You do know that buzzfeed has the journalistic integrity of breitbart and the accuracy of a moron trying to...etc, etc, etc.
Who cares? It's funny.
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@HardwareGeek And that's why you can safely laugh at the lunatics who insist that the Moon landing was a hoax because you only see a black sky and no stars on the pictures.
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This hasn't got anything to do with anything anyone was saying, but now I'm imagining an alternate timeline where the astronauts took selfies on the Moon but forgot to turn off the bunny ears filter.
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@Zecc said in Internet of shit:
This hasn't got anything to do with anything anyone was saying
Welcome to TDWTF.
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What a surprise!
Huge Survey of Firmware Finds No Security Gains in 15 Years
A survey of more than 6,000 firmware images spanning more than a decade finds no improvement in firmware security and lax security standards for the software running connected devices by Linksys, NETGEAR and other major vendors.
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Linksys Vice President of Communications Jen Warren said ... “the security features described add no value if you have physical access to the router
Duh. If an attacker has physical access, they're already on the wrong side of the airtight hatch. That's not an excuse for not having an airtight hatch.
–these features help prevent exploitation of an application vulnerability that is exploitable over the network.”
I know I'm crazy, but to me, that seems like it might be useful in a networking product.
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@Zecc said in Internet of shit:
forgot to turn off the bunny ears filter.
Modern day astronauts would intentionally turn it on
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Smart indeed
Smart ovens have been turning on overnight and preheating to 400 degrees
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June Oven owners are reporting preheating incidents
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I didn't know @Polygeekery made IoT devices...
June tells The Verge that user error is at fault.
Oh dear, it's even worse. That company is an unholy Polygeekery-Jeff Atwood hybrid
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
Smart indeed
Smart ovens have been turning on overnight and preheating to 400 degrees
June Oven owners are reporting preheating incidents
June CEO Matt Van Horn says that owners, not the oven, are at fault. “We’ve seen a few cases where customers have accidentally activated their oven preheat via a device, figure your cell phone,” he tells The Verge. “So imagine if I were to be in the June app clicking recipes and I accidentally tapped something that preheated my oven, we’ve seen a few cases of that.”
Interesting. I would have pegged it as a Sabbath mode issue, if I had to guess.
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@Polygeekery said in Internet of shit:
@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
an unholy Polygeekery-Jeff Atwood hybrid
Kill it with fire.
That seems to be the programme selected for running overnight by the oven, yes.
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@dkf to be fair, I had not read any farther up in the thread than the post that summoned me. Nifty.
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@TimeBandit Have a device whose sole purpose is to burn through 1800 W be controlled by a buggy internet of shit app. What could possibly go wrong?!
I have a feeling this is just a ploy to drive @Polygeekery out of business.
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@topspin said in Internet of shit:
I have a feeling this is just a ploy to drive @Polygeekery out of business.
Arson is more of a hobby. It's recreational for me. If I happen to get paid, so much the better. Let the money ride and buy more bulk containers of Sterno.
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@Zerosquare quotedin Internet of shit:
June tells The Verge that user error is at fault.
I can vouch for user @error.
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Plug and play NSA Spyware:
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
Smart indeed
Smart ovens have been turning on overnight and preheating to 400 degrees
June Oven owners are reporting preheating incidents
as well as live stream their food as it cooks
When I'm God Emperor I'm going to come up with some kind of solution for those kind of people.
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PegLeg Implants Raspberry Pi Zero Ws in Humans
That's right: the biohackers are Raspberry Pi enthusiasts, too.
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replaced the battery with a Qi coil that enabled wireless charging from outside the body.
A rechargeable battery in your body, what could go wrong
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Guy returns his "smart" light bulbs, discovers he can still control them after someone else buys them
You know what's great about putting wifi-enabled, Turing-complete computers into things like lightbulbs? Not. A. Single. Fucking. Thing. In the latest installment in the Internet of Shit edition of the…
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
replaced the battery with a Qi coil that enabled wireless charging from outside the body.
A rechargeable battery in your body, what could go wrong
If it's a lithium battery, you'll have an emergency firestarter in winter, as well as emergency antidepressant medicine.
