Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?
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@Gąska said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@pie_flavor said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
Yes, but at least in EU there are laws against bribery and corruption so there is at least a potential to get caught and fined or end up in prison. In USA it is fucking free for all.
Today I learned that people actually believe the shit they see on the news about the USA.
Half of your own goddamn nation believes what the news say about their own country. Why shouldn't half of rightpondians?
The half who think they need their own arsenal to fight off the government when they come to impose Sharia law as demanded by the billions of Mexicans who have crossed the border illegally?
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Well, make that about the third time I've ever been told the company was pursing other candidates.
This latest interview, for porting VBA apps to .NET/SQL, was one of the weirdest I ever had. It started with a non-technical office manager asking what would turn out to be more technical questions than the only BA and only developer (both retiring a year out) combined. There was a brief session with the IT director that went well other than a weird humblebrag about how rich the owner was. I can only imagine it was to sell me on moving from what's perceived as a stable employer.
The BA and developer, though, wow. Usually there's a brisk Q&A session. Not this time. The two of them were having a leisurely conversation about window manufacturing with only brief breaks for me to say anything. 90 minutes of this and I might've had two non-technical questions to answer before they went right back to talking about window parts. What an absolute waste of time that was. At least I got a "sorry we hated you, best of luck elsewhere" note (which I did thank them for).
I had another interview about a week prior that didn't make alot of sense either. The interviewers knew nothing about the product (very niche market), to the point that a second round (surprise!) would've involved the vendor to determine if candidates were bullshitting them, despite needing to launch the project soon. If you're on an accelerated schedule, why wouldn't you just have the vendor come to the one and only round? If that disregard for candidates' time didn't do it, the lack of feedback from them or the recruiter makes me less inclined to thank either in the future.
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@Zenith said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
The two of them were having a leisurely conversation about window manufacturing with only brief breaks for me to say anything. 90 minutes of this and I might've had two non-technical questions to answer before they went right back to talking about window parts.
"I see in your résumé that you've got 5 years of experience as a 'window system administrator'... So, how would you install double glazing?"
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@Jaloopa said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@Gąska said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@pie_flavor said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
Yes, but at least in EU there are laws against bribery and corruption so there is at least a potential to get caught and fined or end up in prison. In USA it is fucking free for all.
Today I learned that people actually believe the shit they see on the news about the USA.
Half of your own goddamn nation believes what the news say about their own country. Why shouldn't half of rightpondians?
The half who think they need their own arsenal to fight off the government when they come to impose Sharia law as demanded by the billions of Mexicans who have crossed the border illegally?
I left it intentionally vague so that all sides would agree with me.
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@Gąska said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
I left it intentionally vague so that all sides would disagree with me.
YMBNH
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@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
Left to themselves, they would do anything to get more money even if that meant poisoning everything and even outright killing people to get what they want.
Tends to reduce profits.
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You'd think so, but that's why food is now strongly regulated. Go back a century or two, and you'll find people knowingly adulterating food to save money. For a contemporary example, see illegal drugs, or medicine in third-world countries.
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@Zerosquare said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
You'd think so, but that's why food is now strongly regulated. Go back a century or two, and you'll find people knowingly adulterating food to save money. For a contemporary example, see illegal drugs, or medicine in third-world countries.
A century? Just look at China in this century!
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@Zerosquare said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
You'd think so, but that's why food is now strongly regulated. Go back a century or two, and you'll find people knowingly adulterating food to save money. For a contemporary example, see illegal drugs, or medicine in third-world countries.
Yeah, but food and drugs are special in that you don't know ahead of time how shit it is, and might not know for years on end.
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@pie_flavor said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@Zerosquare said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
You'd think so, but that's why food is now strongly regulated. Go back a century or two, and you'll find people knowingly adulterating food to save money. For a contemporary example, see illegal drugs, or medicine in third-world countries.
Yeah, but food and drugs are special in that you don't know ahead of time how shit it is, and might not know for years on end.
That doesn't sound special.
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@JBert And that is one of the party leaders here.
She's also creepy as fuck.
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@topspin Iceland was the only country with the balls and backbone to do the right thing to the banks and bankers.
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@Carnage that's because the entire country is the size of Belfast.
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@levicki note that everything has arsenic in it, because arsenic is a natural part of the environment. "Pure" isn't a thing that can be done. That's ok, the health people are ridiculously strict about these limits.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@levicki note that everything has arsenic in it, because arsenic is a natural part of the environment. "Pure" isn't a thing that can be done. That's ok, the health people are ridiculously strict about these limits.
And everything can be a poison at the right dose.
Including water.
INB4-it's the arsenic isn't it?
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@levicki Is natural water related to raw water? ( to read the link)
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@PleegWat said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@levicki Is natural water related to raw water? ( to read the link)
They both contain surprising amounts of water? I see one highly suspicious "water in its natural state" tagline for one of the brands, though. That probably doesn't bode well.
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@PleegWat said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@levicki Is natural water related to raw water? ( to read the link)
Not in this case, the article is about store brands so I would expect it's at least in some ways filtered.
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@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@levicki note that everything has arsenic in it, because arsenic is a natural part of the environment. "Pure" isn't a thing that can be done. That's ok, the health people are ridiculously strict about these limits.
Nice try, but bottled water, even the one labeled as "natural", should be adequately filtered and should be tested to make sure filtering is working as intended.
Not exactly. To filter out arsenic, for example, would require specific chemicals, and so it would no longer be natural spring water.
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@jinpa said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
chemicals
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@kazitor said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@jinpa said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
chemicals
Artificial chemicals, of course. Sometimes people pretend not to be capable of distinguishing the two uses of the word chemicals by context: The way a chemist uses the word, and short for "man-made chemicals not existing prior to the invention of the science of chemistry".
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@jinpa said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
Sometimes people pretend not to be capable of distinguishing the two uses of the word chemicals by context: The way a chemist uses the word, and short for "man-made chemicals not existing prior to the invention of the science of chemistry".
It's not that simple. Plenty of those "man-made chemicals" that scare some people are identical to natural compounds, they're just produced thru synthesis instead of being extracted from natural sources.
(Not to mention that the whole "natural means safe" is patently false anyways. There are lots of 100% natural chemicals that are harmful to health.)
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@Zerosquare said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
There are lots of 100% natural chemicals that are harmful to health.
Like naturally-occurring arsenic.
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@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
And once again you've found a situation where the government had its hands in the pie and are ignoring it.
"Had its hands in the pie" as in "let everyone responsible off the hook"?
Yes, you could say that. But that still doesn't mean shit. They were supposed to regulate banking industry. They failed, the fact that it's the government failure only makes it worse.
I have no idea what you're talking about. The regulation policy (from the Legislature and the Executive) was to encourage crap loans to be made to borrowers and to facilitate that by throwing government money (and the expectation that the government would bail lenders out) at the market.
And we'd be so much better of if the Republicans actually acted like they believed that. I mean, what do you think "too big to fail" is about? It's precisely big government.
Nope, the Republicans always preach how they will "reduce government" when they get elected, but the only thing they consistently do everytime they get the office is "reduce regulations" so that their and their friends' private businesses can do even more nasty shit than before to people and the environment.
That's not true, although fortunately Trump is actually doing it with pretty good results. One thing they generally do is raise spending. That's pretty much what happens whenever the two parties cooperate. But the regulation worshipers like yourself are going nuts.
@boomzilla said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
Wanting CEOs to go to jail for acting rationally and legally to government incentives (NB: positive incentives, not a lack of regulation) strikes me as capricious and not particularly helpful for correcting the mistakes of the past or making the world a better place.
So a new way of saying that Uber and Lyft CEO are "exploiting current lack of regulation" is to say that they are "acting rationally and legally to government incentives"? Great doubleplusgoodspeak you wield here. George Orwell would be so proud. /s
Where did Uber and Lyft come from? Once again I have no idea what you're talking about or why you're changing the subject (from labor laws to banking to ride sharing services so far).
How do you fine a company weighting 1,000B USD to make it respect the law? You make it pay some money and deliver a sternly worded letter? Corporations don't have any moral compass, people who run them should. Left to themselves, they would do anything to get more money even if that meant poisoning everything and even outright killing people to get what they want.
The only way to enforce good corporate behavior is to punish corporate management so they never even think of doing shady stuff and if they do it, then they know that the risk is personal, instead of corporate and easily wiped off with a fat wad of cash.
Right, that's kind of where I was going before, except I was pointing out that the government was officially in favor of shady practices. Which largely explains why I'm kind of leery of handing them more power to regulate stuff.
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@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
Corporations don't have any moral compass, people who run them should. Left to themselves, they would do anything to get more money even if that meant poisoning everything and even outright killing people to get what they want.
As seen in the documentary TV series Captain Planet and the Planeteers
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@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@pie_flavor said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
Left to themselves, they would do anything to get more money even if that meant poisoning everything and even outright killing people to get what they want.
Tends to reduce profits.
Nothing to worry about, humans breed fast. The stupider they are the faster they breed.
You clearly haven't looked at history. Companies who have killed their patrons don't tend to last very long, and there are clear motivations to not kill your clientelle. The shareholders at Boeing aren't exactly partying in the streets right now, contrary to your apparently deluded view. Nor are any food manufacturers who had a recall due to cross-contamination. They have very strong motivations to prevent that from happening, trust me.
@Zerosquare said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
You'd think so, but that's why food is now strongly regulated.
Aahahahahahhahaah.... [insert Bender oh wait you are serious meme here].
It is regulated only in the sense that it cannot contain straight poisons but given the amount of HFCS based sugar put into everything
Ooooh, you used the acronym to make it sound worse than it is. Classic pseudoscience BS methodology. High-fructose corn syrup is made up of natural ingredients. In fact, it's about as natural in content as cane sugar, except it's just the method of manufacture that's less natural. And, yes, of course you shouldn't have too much of it. You shouldn't have too much sugar in your diet, period. If I enjoy the occasional Twinkie (I literally eat maybe two of them a year) I shouldn't have to suffer a loss of Twinkies because other people don't have the self-discipline to limit how much they eat.
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sometimes i'm tempted to send a "thank you for wasting my time to justify your fake job" to the personalists who force me into a preliminary face-to-face meeting with someone who has no idea what the position is about, doesn't work for the company, nor has any technical knowledge, because "we prefer to meet candidates in person before we let them meet the client"
on a slightly (un)related note, i was once on an "interview" by a headhunter agency that was hired by an IT company that didn't have enough in-house devs for a project it was contracted by another IT company that didn't have enough in-house devs for their project so it decided to outsource it because they already had good experience with working with that second IT company devs.
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@sh_code said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
sometimes i'm tempted to send a "thank you for wasting my time to justify your fake job" to the personalists who force me into a preliminary face-to-face meeting with someone who has no idea what the position is about, doesn't work for the company, nor has any technical knowledge, because "we prefer to meet candidates in person before we let them meet the client"
Hey, they have to at least pretend to do something to justify the price they charge to their clients.
@sh_code said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
on a slightly (un)related note, i was once on an "interview" by a headhunter agency that was hired by an IT company that didn't have enough in-house devs for a project it was contracted by another IT company that didn't have enough in-house devs for their project so it decided to outsource it because they already had good experience with working with that second IT company devs.
It's outsourcing all the way down.
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@boomzilla said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
The regulation policy (from the Legislature and the Executive) was to encourage crap loans to be made to borrowers...
And to face massive fines for not providing them to people who would have normally been rejected for a loan. They were required to show that somewhere around 33% of the their loans went to “under served/privileged” recipients.
And everyone was shocked when that resulted in derivatives being traded by banks to try to cover their asset*(e)s*, and it went BOOM.
Fuckers, the lot of them.
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@M_Adams said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
And everyone was shocked when that resulted in derivatives being traded by banks to try to cover their assets, and it went BOOM.
FTFY
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@izzion said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@M_Adams said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
And everyone was shocked when that resulted in derivatives being traded by banks to try to cover their assets, and it went BOOM.
FTFY
Thanks. Saw how janky that looked in the post, but Monday ...
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@Zerosquare I don't think they liked when I said it sounded like a job I had several years ago. On paper it was the same job, except Access and windows instead of FoxPro and phone books.
- Small regional company that thinks it's a big deal? Check.
- Can count IT staff on a clumsy shop teacher's hand? Check.
- Work in the office side of a factory? Check.
- Ancient in-house app that runs said factory? Check.
- Take over for only developer that understands ancient in-house app? Check.
- Interview with a BA and said developer? Check.
I finally managed to get a response from the recruiter for the second place too. They decided that 8 years of in-depth experience plus a Hyland-issued certification 5 years ago wasn't recent enough for them. Hyland embracing "Google versioning" and not offering a trial version means I may as well never apply for an OnBase-related job ever again. Even though it looks like the major change over the last 9 versions was adopting the ribbon.
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@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
Damn straight, they put sugar in bacon too!
The US (and ) has liked sweet cures for bacon for quite a long time. I'm not a big fan of that myself; I grew up with salt-based cures…
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@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
HFCS is among the worst ones
It's not, or the difference between the worst and least-worst is very slight. You're right too much sugar being in everything, but there's nothing special about HFCS other than being cheap to make.
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@hungrier said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
HFCS is among the worst ones
It's not, or the difference between the worst and least-worst is very slight. You're right too much sugar being in everything, but there's nothing special about HFCS other than being cheap to make.
NOnononono! You have to avoid the acid sugars and make sure you only eat the alkaline sugars. They are superfoods.
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@hungrier said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
It's not, or the difference between the worst and least-worst is very slight.
Consider this: sugar could be made into alcohol… so why do you want to waste it on other things?
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@dkf said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@hungrier said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
It's not, or the difference between the worst and least-worst is very slight.
Consider this: sugar could be made into alcohol… so why do you want to waste it on other things?
Jelly beans >> alcohol.
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@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
100gr of yogurt = 5gr of sugar
Different yogurts have different amounts. I'm very sensitive to this (I read a lot more nutrition labels now!) since I was diagnosed as diabetic at the beginning of this year.
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@levicki Whatever Google uses for their definition of "Yogurt, Greek, nonfat" has only 3.2g of sugar (3.6g total carbohydrates) per 100g.
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@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@dcon said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
Different yogurts have different amounts. I'm very sensitive to this (I read a lot more nutrition labels now!) since I was diagnosed as diabetic at the beginning of this year.
I am still struggling to find one with less than 4.5gr per 100gr here where I live.
I'm eating Chobani now (fruit at the bottom) - 15g per 150g (that's total sugar, they don't break out added sugar), total carb is 18g. I tried one that only had something like 7g, but couldn't stand the taste.
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@dcon said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
Different yogurts have different amounts. I'm very sensitive to this (I read a lot more nutrition labels now!) since I was diagnosed as diabetic at the beginning of this year.
One of the yogurts we commonly have in (especially for cooking) is a variety with absolutely no added sugar at all. Or anything much else at all: just milk and the yogurt culture. It's very sour and totally set. Not sure how much carbohydrate is in it; it's going to have an upper bound of that which is naturally in milk…
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@dcon said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
100gr of yogurt = 5gr of sugar
Different yogurts have different amounts. I'm very sensitive to this (I read a lot more nutrition labels now!) since I was diagnosed as diabetic at the beginning of this year.
I mentioned over in the Cilantro thread, I mix plain full fat Greek yogurt with one of the zero sugar low cal ones. The fat keeps the remaining sugar from going into your blood stream too fast and makes it fairly satisfying.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@Polygeekery I wish I could contract a salesman to do that for me
It's called a headhunting agency, or a staffing firm, or a recruiting enterprise, or a hiring company.
Edit: Maybe
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@djls45 I think he's talking about a "salesperson" to do the entire interview for him.
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@djls45 said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@sockpuppet7 said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@Polygeekery I wish I could contract a salesman to do that for me
It's called a headhunting agency, or a staffing firm, or a recruiting enterprise, or a hiring company.
AFAIK most agencies are hired by employers, not employees?
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@Gąska said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@djls45 said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@sockpuppet7 said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@Polygeekery I wish I could contract a salesman to do that for me
It's called a headhunting agency, or a staffing firm, or a recruiting enterprise, or a hiring company.
AFAIK most agencies are hired by employers, not employees?
You can hire them to find you work.
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@MrL said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
You can hire them to find you work.
Is that a west coast thing?
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@Zenith said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@MrL said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
You can hire them to find you work.
Is that a west coast thing?
If you consider Poland west coast.
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@levicki I'm not a yogurt expert, I just went with what's there on Google. Maybe next time I'm buying groceries I'll remember to check the yogurt
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@levicki said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@hungrier said in Do you send thank-you notes after being interviewed?:
@levicki Whatever Google uses for their definition of "Yogurt, Greek, nonfat" has only 3.2g of sugar (3.6g total carbohydrates) per 100g.
You know that when it comes to yogurt, Greek and nonfat can't possibly go in the same sentence? God knows what's in there.
Only the finest bleach and recycled paper, thus having no calories and more fiber than you'll ever need.