WTF Bites
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Just saw a footer on a corporate-related website that declares "We are not responsible for content on other websites." I can't imagine what happened that made them put that there.
Stupid laws.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF Bites:
Software executive exploits ATM loophole to steal $1 million
The software chief tried to explain away his actions as “internal security tests.”
Qin Qisheng realized that cash withdrawals made close to midnight were not recorded by the bank's systems in 2016,
When it came to the money, the software manager said the funds were simply "resting" in his own account but were due to be returned to the bank.
In an interesting turn of events, the financial institution did accept his explanation and fixed the problem. Law enforcement, however, did not believe the story and eventually arrested him for theft in December 2018.
...really...
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@DCoder So... basically... the company tried to promise them a $60k "bounty" in exchange for them signing an NDA to go away and be quiet.
And then it didn't even have the decency to complete the deal.
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I can't imagine what happened that made them put that there.
Probably nothing, but in a sue-happy culture, it's hard to know how much is too much.
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My son failed his Java midterm yesterday. The exam was online and required the use of a browser extension called Proctorio. Proctorio requires access to your keyboard, network, microphone and webcam, and shares your screen, to verify that you are not cheating during the exam. I'm not sure of the details, but I'd guess any windows visible other than the exam, any keystrokes not going to the exam, any conversation, gestures at someone outside of the camera view, and moving out of view would all be flagged as cheating.
My son failed the exam because Proctorio would not allow him to take it. For some unknown reason, it could not find his webcam. He tried many times. He rebooted. He tried both the laptop's built-in webcam and a cheap old external one. Checked settings to make sure it was enabled. He connected to the Skype loopback test site to verify that it was working. (Proctorio found it once, but that time it couldn't find the network.)
Because it couldn't find the camera, it wouldn't even let him take the practice quiz, intended to make sure everything was working, much less the actual test. The exam had to be submitted by midnight, and he was still trying to get Proctorio to let him take it when I went to bed at around quarter-'til.
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@dkf It certainly was for my son.
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@HardwareGeek My college used a similar system but webcams weren't that common yet. One of our big "selling points" was that we were the "Electronic Campus" and so every student was assigned a laptop by the university. Many students cheated by letting the test software lock down their university-provided laptop, and then borrowing a roommate's university-assigned laptop in order to look up the answers.
IIRC these were Pentium III-grade laptops. My Oracle class was really, really fun on that piece of junk...
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
My son failed his Java midterm yesterday. The exam was online and required the use of a browser extension called Proctorio. Proctorio requires access to your keyboard, network, microphone and webcam, and shares your screen, to verify that you are not cheating during the exam. I'm not sure of the details, but I'd guess any windows visible other than the exam, any keystrokes not going to the exam, any conversation, gestures at someone outside of the camera view, and moving out of view would all be flagged as cheating.
My son failed the exam because Proctorio would not allow him to take it. For some unknown reason, it could not find his webcam. He tried many times. He rebooted. He tried both the laptop's built-in webcam and a cheap old external one. Checked settings to make sure it was enabled. He connected to the Skype loopback test site to verify that it was working. (Proctorio found it once, but that time it couldn't find the network.)
Because it couldn't find the camera, it wouldn't even let him take the practice quiz, intended to make sure everything was working, much less the actual test. The exam had to be submitted by midnight, and he was still trying to get Proctorio to let him take it when I went to bed at around quarter-till.
So...what happens if you don't HAVE a webcam hooked up to the machine? Does it just tell you to fuck off?
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@HardwareGeek Fuck. I mean, appropriately named software, but fuck.
I'd be more inclined to see if I coudln't hack the test software than abide by the rules.
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@e4tmyl33t said in WTF Bites:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
My son failed his Java midterm yesterday. The exam was online and required the use of a browser extension called Proctorio. Proctorio requires access to your keyboard, network, microphone and webcam, and shares your screen, to verify that you are not cheating during the exam. I'm not sure of the details, but I'd guess any windows visible other than the exam, any keystrokes not going to the exam, any conversation, gestures at someone outside of the camera view, and moving out of view would all be flagged as cheating.
My son failed the exam because Proctorio would not allow him to take it. For some unknown reason, it could not find his webcam. He tried many times. He rebooted. He tried both the laptop's built-in webcam and a cheap old external one. Checked settings to make sure it was enabled. He connected to the Skype loopback test site to verify that it was working. (Proctorio found it once, but that time it couldn't find the network.)
Because it couldn't find the camera, it wouldn't even let him take the practice quiz, intended to make sure everything was working, much less the actual test. The exam had to be submitted by midnight, and he was still trying to get Proctorio to let him take it when I went to bed at around quarter-till.
So...what happens if you don't HAVE a webcam hooked up to the machine? Does it just tell you to fuck off?
It tells you to go buy one, and offers recommendations for low-price models.
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@HardwareGeek ...wait, you're serious?
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@anotherusername You buy textbooks and materials, don't you? How's this different? Also, I don't know what his school is like but my school's library lets you borrow laptops. In short there's definitely ways around this.
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@anotherusername said in WTF Bites:
@HardwareGeek ...wait, you're serious?
The "troubleshooting" page has links to Amazon and a couple of other retailers.
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@HardwareGeek Wait, did they only provide the ability to test this setup immediately before the exam? Because if so, any semi-capable lawyer will rip them a new one.
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@Rhywden I asked my son that. His answer was not entirely unambiguous. I understand that he had access to Proctorio for a different class some time ago, but (for some unstated reason) didn't need to use it, so he didn't try it. For this class, he only had access the day of (or maybe the day before; as I said, not entirely clear) the exam. He could have tried in the morning rather than 2 hours before it was due, but class schedule/work schedule/didn't have time/excuses.
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@HardwareGeek That's one of the reasons why our electronic exams at school are entirely done with hardware the school has complete control over.
First of all, we can make sure that it works barring user error, if it is user error then we can spot it more easily and lastly, we really don't need the legal troubles something like this can cause.
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hardware the school has complete control over
Even if it were a laptop provided by the school (which it's not) with all software installed and tested by the school, it's not under the school's complete control when the student is taking the exam in the middle of the night in the comfort of his own living room. If nothing else, the student's network connection is beyond their control. But the school doesn't provide the hardware, and I think the exam is done through an external educational service provider, not the school's own server, so nothing is really under their control.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
My son failed his Java midterm yesterday.
Good news. The instructor let him take the test on campus today, using a computer in the library. He doesn't have the results, yet, but he thinks he did reasonably well, 80% or better.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
My son failed his Java midterm yesterday. The exam was online and required the use of a browser extension called Proctorio. Proctorio requires access to your keyboard, network, microphone and webcam, and shares your screen, to verify that you are not cheating during the exam. I'm not sure of the details, but I'd guess any windows visible other than the exam, any keystrokes not going to the exam, any conversation, gestures at someone outside of the camera view, and moving out of view would all be flagged as cheating.
My son failed the exam because Proctorio would not allow him to take it. For some unknown reason, it could not find his webcam. He tried many times. He rebooted. He tried both the laptop's built-in webcam and a cheap old external one. Checked settings to make sure it was enabled. He connected to the Skype loopback test site to verify that it was working. (Proctorio found it once, but that time it couldn't find the network.)
Because it couldn't find the camera, it wouldn't even let him take the practice quiz, intended to make sure everything was working, much less the actual test. The exam had to be submitted by midnight, and he was still trying to get Proctorio to let him take it when I went to bed at around quarter-'til.
Required spyware. Noice.
I assume it recognizes when it's being run in a VM?
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
@e4tmyl33t said in WTF Bites:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
My son failed his Java midterm yesterday. The exam was online and required the use of a browser extension called Proctorio. Proctorio requires access to your keyboard, network, microphone and webcam, and shares your screen, to verify that you are not cheating during the exam. I'm not sure of the details, but I'd guess any windows visible other than the exam, any keystrokes not going to the exam, any conversation, gestures at someone outside of the camera view, and moving out of view would all be flagged as cheating.
My son failed the exam because Proctorio would not allow him to take it. For some unknown reason, it could not find his webcam. He tried many times. He rebooted. He tried both the laptop's built-in webcam and a cheap old external one. Checked settings to make sure it was enabled. He connected to the Skype loopback test site to verify that it was working. (Proctorio found it once, but that time it couldn't find the network.)
Because it couldn't find the camera, it wouldn't even let him take the practice quiz, intended to make sure everything was working, much less the actual test. The exam had to be submitted by midnight, and he was still trying to get Proctorio to let him take it when I went to bed at around quarter-till.
So...what happens if you don't HAVE a webcam hooked up to the machine? Does it just tell you to fuck off?
It tells you to go buy one, and offers recommendations for low-price models.
Presumably from the
AppleBeats category of "low price"?
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
The exam was online
@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
He doesn't have the results, yet
TRWTF right here.
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@pie_flavor said in WTF Bites:
You buy textbooks and materials, don't you? How's this different?
I didn't, I was never forced to pay for any materials at Uni beyond a couple of quid for notebooks and biros. Most courses had a recommended reading list, but it was all available in the library too. Lecturers gave handouts/PDFs for other material. I did buy an expensive copy of the EE's bible: The Art Of Electronics, but that's only because I wanted one.
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Speaking of invasive proctoring software, Amazon uses something similar for remote job interviews:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13076821
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
Not one I fielded but one of my guys told me that today a client had a scanner that was acting up. Diagnosis: User was putting pages in upside down and scanning the back of the page.
I shudder to think what happens when he tries to photocopy his butt.
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@Lorne-Kates said in WTF Bites:
@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
Not one I fielded but one of my guys told me that today a client had a scanner that was acting up. Diagnosis: User was putting pages in upside down and scanning the back of the page.
I shudder to think what happens when he tries to photocopy his butt.
I shudder when I think about the fact that we get that particular PEBKAC error often enough that everyone knows that is the first thing to check.
Users are fucking idiots.
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@TimeBandit a large chunk of what we do is exactly that.
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@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
@TimeBandit a large chunk of what we do is exactly that.
That explains your drinking
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@TimeBandit I wish we could blame it on that, but I started that hobby when I was in the construction world.
Same shit, different industry. Back then when people asked what I did for a living I told them "I babysit 40 year old men".
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@Lorne-Kates said in WTF Bites:
@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
Not one I fielded but one of my guys told me that today a client had a scanner that was acting up. Diagnosis: User was putting pages in upside down and scanning the back of the page.
I shudder to think what happens when he tries to photocopy his butt.
Hopefully he isn't trying to use the auto document feeder to photocopy that.
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@Lorne-Kates
Dickpickcopy!
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I assume it recognizes when it's being run in a VM?
I hope it ends up being a Blackhat/Defcon talk. Their website already rubs me in a bad way, nevermind having to deal with the actual software. "Automated invigilation"? "Learning integrity"? blech.
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I assume it recognizes when it's being run in a VM?
I hope it ends up being a Blackhat/Defcon talk. Their website already rubs me in a bad way, nevermind having to deal with the actual software. "Automated invigilation"? "Learning integrity"? blech.
Looks polished, at least. Probably gets pretty good sales.
Safe & Private
Zero-knowledge encryption ensures test taker privacy and data security
I know what zero-knowledge proofs are, but that obviously doesn't apply here.
Oh, you mean end-to-end encryption? Then why don't you say so.Instant Install
Get up and running in 30 secondsStill not sure? Give Proctorio a test.
Tell us who you are:
Test TakerInstall Google Chrome
LOL fuck you.
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Oh, I just love old code.
// Create dialog, but do not show it. Must create the dialog on the main UI thread // in order to be able to use the browser(me: puts break point in dialog) Yeah, different thread. This is gonna make turning this into a modal dialog ... um ... interesting.
Edit: I stand corrected. The dialog is running on the main thread. All access to tweak its internal (show/hide controls) is, of course, done on the other thread.
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@dcon HLJS detects that as SQL. Because of course.
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@brie first word is CREATE.
Sounds about right to me
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@sloosecannon And yet, it is not valid SQL. I'm pretty sure any SQL parser would barf over the
//.It does have a surprising lot of SQL keywords, though.
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Because of course.
I never remember the syntax for "use this code style". And
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Tell us who you are:
Test TakerIf you pick the other option, it just asks you for an email so that their sales drones can contact you.
I'll pass.
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@dcon
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HTH HAND(basically, most languages are just the language name immediately after the tripletick)
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@dcon
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cworks.c++does not. Figures.
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c works. c++ does not. Figures.
The language you choose needs to also be one supported by this hljs installation. Which is a retarded pick…
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@dcon
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cworks.c++does not. Figures.+isn't an allowed character. Trycpp./* cpp */
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@TimeBandit said in WTF Bites:
@Polygeekery said in WTF Bites:
Users are fucking idiots.
I see you too have done front-row support
That instance is more back-end support.
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@Zecc Modern C supports both comment styles too…
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It appears to label
classas a keyword in C:classMore intriguing:
Which it says regardless of whether or not there's C++ syntax.
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@Zecc Modern C supports both comment styles too…
I don't know when support was added, but I haven't touched C for something like 15 years, and even back then it already did.
