Oh God not again
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@TimeBandit said in Oh God not again:
@blakeyrat said in Oh God not again:
I expect my computer to boot quickly.
That's not what Windows 10 does.
It comes back from hibernation quickly
Well, Win10 does boot quick enough if you put it on SSD.
My computer at home boots back within 30 seconds even if you select "Restart" (which does normal shutdown and then reboots)
I'd say if the cure for "cannot shutdown" problem is to add a few second to boot time, so be it.
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@anonymous234 said in Oh God not again:
@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
@blakeyrat when given a choice between "Windows should boot quickly" and "Windows should shut down when told to shut down", any sane person would choose the latter. It's sad that Windows forces you to make that choice on some computers. But at least they give you the choice at all. If they didn't, some people would get stuck with computers that can boot up quickly but can never shut down, just like I'm stuck with a computer that needs a system restore once a week because not installing non-installable updates is not an option.
Edit: also, the difference between fast boot and not fast boot is like 4 seconds. Most people won't even notice.
99.9% of sleep, shutdown and hibernate problems are caused by buggy firmware, and in turn those things are indirectly caused by ACPI being a bloated and terrible standard.
Windows just shuts down its processes and then asks the hardware to turn off.
If Windows shut down its processes, it wouldn't drop me back to fully functional desktop with all background services still running, would it?
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@Gąska If one of the processes associated with your user session doesn't exit properly, you get a warning screen asking you if you want to wait or cancel. if you don't respond to that in 60 seconds, it drops you back to desktop without even the basic courtesy of putting up the lock screen.
Ergo, you cannot securely leave the PC alone until you've confirmed it's powered down.
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@Atazhaia said in Oh God not again:
If I were Steve Jobs maybe I would
care about those 3 extra secondsbe dead, but I am not Steve Jobs so therefore I am still capable of caring about stuff, but do not care about this in particular.FTFY
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@PleegWat said in Oh God not again:
@Gąska If one of the processes associated with your user session doesn't exit properly, you get a warning screen asking you if you want to wait or cancel. if you don't respond to that in 60 seconds, it drops you back to desktop without even the basic courtesy of putting up the lock screen.
Ergo, you cannot securely leave the PC alone until you've confirmed it's powered down.
Yes, I know that. But that's not what happened here. It went through entire shutdown procedure without any interruption, up to the part where it disables video output and the monitor goes to sleep. Then it dropped back to desktop.
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@Gąska Ok that's a new level of
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Did you try a
shutdown /r /f /t 0in a DOS box? That might still work.
Otherwise, you might want to try that switch (though the description says it was built for switching off mobiles):
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@BernieTheBernie said in Oh God not again:
in a DOS box
It took me literally half a minute to understand what you mean.
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@Gąska Oh, just press the windows key and R at the same time, then enter cmd into that text box, and press enter. Then type the command shown above...
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@BernieTheBernie I don't know why you're explaining to me something that I've just said in the post you're replying to that I understand it. And that aside, I have no way to tell if your solution works or not because it's not broken anymore.
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@BernieTheBernie Wouldn't it suffice to enter that command in the window +R brings up?
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@PleegWat if it works, yes. If it doesn't, you don't even know what happened.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Oh God not again:
Did you try a
shutdown /r /f /t 0in a DOS box? That might still work.
Why would he want to spin up a virtualization software to shut down his machine? That goes against logic, but I suppose someone's Rube Goldberg'd something that does that....
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@Tsaukpaetra that's DOSBox. He said "DOS box". You know, a PC computer that runs DOS natively.
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@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
@Tsaukpaetra that's DOSBox. He said "DOS box". You know, a PC computer that runs DOS natively.
So I heard he likes computers, so he built a counter computer to control his computer so he could shutdown while he shuts down?
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@BernieTheBernie that is called 'command prompt' or 'cmd'.
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@pie_flavor said in Oh God not again:
@BernieTheBernie that is called 'command prompt' or 'cmd'.
Are you sure it's not called
PowerShellorpowershell.exe?
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@Tsaukpaetra no, that would be blue shell
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@Gąska Don't you dare fire that thing.
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@e4tmyl33t
How did it take 69 posts for the “Oh, God, not again” thread to reference a blue shell. Y’all should be ashamed of yourselves.
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@izzion said in Oh God not again:
@e4tmyl33t
How did it take 69 posts for the “Oh, God, not again” thread to reference a blue shell.I'm a PlayStation kid; what can I do?
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@TimeBandit there exists an interpretation of your question to which the answer would be yes.
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it's Skynet. It doesnt want you to shut it down.
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@Jaloopa we're a poor country, we must share our PCs.
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@Atazhaia said in Oh God not again:
@blakeyrat said in Oh God not again:
So if it's only a few seconds faster, therefore it's not faster at all? Is that your reality-and-logic-warping response to my statement?
If I were Steve Jobs maybe I would care about those 3 extra seconds, but I am not Steve Jobs so therefore I do not care.
If you were Steve Jobs you wouldn't care about those 3 seconds. Because you'd be dead.
QED.
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@Jaloopa said in Oh God not again:
@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
a PC computer
A personal PC computer?
A politically correct personal PC computer?
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@loopback0 said in Oh God not again:
A politically correct personal PC computer?
It's running DOS natively. Nothing's politically correct about that
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@loopback0 said in Oh God not again:
@Jaloopa said in Oh God not again:
@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
a PC computer
A personal PC computer?
A politically correct personal PC computer?
Primary Leader Disk:
Primary Follower Disk:
Another Primary Leader Disk:
Another Primary Follower Disk:
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@Gabriele-Chesi Welcome to the forums!
e: oh, lord. the only thing worse than an anime girl avatar is a Guy Fawkes avatar
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@kt_ said in Oh God not again:
@Atazhaia said in Oh God not again:
@blakeyrat said in Oh God not again:
So if it's only a few seconds faster, therefore it's not faster at all? Is that your reality-and-logic-warping response to my statement?
If I were Steve Jobs maybe I would care about those 3 extra seconds, but I am not Steve Jobs so therefore I do not care.
If you were Steve Jobs you wouldn't care about those 3 seconds. Because you'd be dead.
QED.
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Aaaand here we go again. But this time, it shows "Welcome" login screen after "shutting down". Also, keyboard lock lights go off and on again. Dunno if they did before or not, but they do now.
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@Gąska So? Just turn off Fast-Boot again; you probably got "upgraded" and reset to defaults. That, or fix your hibernation settings. And it can't hurt to disable timers while the computer is turned off, it can't misconfigure the update turn-on timer.
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@acrow said in Oh God not again:
@Gąska So?
Nothing. I was just surprised it's popping up login screen now. It didn't do that before.
Just turn off Fast-Boot again
No need - just pick "restart" instead of "shut down", and press power at the right time.
@acrow said in Oh God not again:
you probably got "upgraded" and reset to defaults.
Wait, what? I never turned it off. It's too good, and works 99% of the time.
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And just in case someone stumbles on this topic and revives a long dead discussion...
@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
@TimeBandit there exists an interpretation of your question to which the answer would be yes.
I have since forgotten what it was.
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@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
Wait, what? I never turned it off. It's too good, and works 99% of the time.
To each their own, then. I couldn't stand that.
Reliably unreliable? (I.e. failing every time the same way.) Depending on the failure mode, it could be usable. I had one tower PC that would always post twice, and start up normally the second time, and continue to work after that.
Unreliably unreliable? (Failing randomly or in an inconsistent manner.) Nope. Don't want to go near that. Murphy's law and all.
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@pie_flavor said in Oh God not again:
e: oh, lord. the only thing worse than an anime girl avatar is a Guy Fawkes avatar
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@Lorne-Kates it doesn't look like anime girl. On the other hand, it's anime - everything can happen.
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@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
@Lorne-Kates it doesn't look like anime girl. On the other hand, it's anime - everything can happen.
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@Lorne-Kates given the context, I'm 50% sure it's a trap.
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@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
@Lorne-Kates given the context, I'm 50% sure it's a trap.
Straight or reverse?
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@PleegWat "whatever you want it to be, I can adapt"
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@Jaloopa said in Oh God not again:
@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
a PC computer
A personal PC computer?
With a GUI interface?
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@El_Heffe said in Oh God not again:
@Jaloopa said in Oh God not again:
@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
a PC computer
A personal PC computer?
With a GUI interface?
Dunno, it might be a graphical GUI.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Oh God not again:
@El_Heffe said in Oh God not again:
@Jaloopa said in Oh God not again:
@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
a PC computer
A personal PC computer?
With a GUI interface?
Dunno, it might be a graphical GUI.
Maybe it's a graphical GUI interface on the personal PC computer?
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@El_Heffe said in Oh God not again:
@Jaloopa said in Oh God not again:
@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
a PC computer
A personal PC computer?
With a GUI interface?
Using Visual Basic?
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@Atazhaia said in Oh God not again:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Oh God not again:
@El_Heffe said in Oh God not again:
@Jaloopa said in Oh God not again:
@Gąska said in Oh God not again:
a PC computer
A personal PC computer?
With a GUI interface?
Dunno, it might be a graphical GUI.
Maybe it's a graphical GUI interface on the personal PC computer?
Running in an ATM machine where we can enter our personal PIN number?
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@Steve_The_Cynic if people I meet in real life were also so pedantic about this stuff, I swear I'd stop using acronyms altogether.
I wonder how many people cringe when they hear "Volkswagen car".
