De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?
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I was reading an article about "PeerTube" the decentralized YouTube successfully concluding a crowdfunding campaign (aka the last you'll ever heard about PeerTube ever). The article included a bit about the organization behind PeerTube which is some French organization called "De-Google-ify The Internet" apparently.
Here is their website:
Wow.
I see open source marketing efforts have come a long way since... oh wait no, still ass.
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@blakeyrat Try to maybe approach the website in a more French frame of mind.
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@gribnit
So they should surrender to Google and just collaborate instead?
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@gribnit Wave the white flag and get steamrolled by the Germans?
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Just want to embed that in case.
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@gribnit said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
@blakeyrat Try to maybe approach the website in a more French frame of mind.
"We completely slept through the computer revolution of the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and now have zero competitive global tech companies, therefore we're bitching at other countries which do"?
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@blakeyrat ... around a campfire."
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They seem to offer their own version of everything
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@gribnit Yeah I tried to identify all the logos but I didn't get very far.
GAME: HELP FINISH THE LIST. From left to right:
- Gnu
- (Flying frog, no idea)
- Linux penguin
- (Purple shirt woman, no idea)
- (Orange shirt man wearing pot, no idea. But his flag is Creative Commons?)
- (Lyre guy, no idea)
- (Beer viking woman with unicorn t-shirt, no idea)
- (Shaved kid playing tuba, no idea)
- Woman holding Tor onion
- (Sheep-- no idea)
- (Woman in kimono and cat hat, no idea)
- Minecraft character (EDIT: based on above, it's a FraMineTest character)
- (Purple haired unicorn, no idea)
- (Superhero guy with goggles, no idea)
- (Laughing woman, no idea)
- (Angry cowboy woman, no idea)
- Mastodon
- (Cat peeking from left side, no idea)
- (Fish in chef's hat with spatula, no idea)
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@gribnit said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
@blakeyrat Try to maybe approach the website in a more French frame of mind.
He bathes too frequently for that.
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@blakeyrat peedtube is were blender moved their videos iirc
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@sockpuppet7 said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
peedtube
@sockpuppet7 said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
blender
:do_not_want.gif:
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@blakeyrat said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
Purple haired unicorn, no idea)
I think the unicorn is Ruby's unicorn. Not sure if the ror server is called that or it's just a component.
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@blakeyrat said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
"We completely slept through the computer revolution of the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and now have zero competitive global tech companies, therefore we're bitching at other countries which do"?
I don't see any mention of any particular country in the "What is at stake" part at least.
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I love that the whole website is a big Asterix reference.
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@blakeyrat said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
@gribnit said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
@blakeyrat Try to maybe approach the website in a more French frame of mind.
"We completely slept through the computer revolution of the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and now have zero competitive global tech companies, therefore we're bitching at other countries which do"?
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@coldandtired I thought you were fucking joking. You're not.
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@marczellm Wow, I don't know how I missed that.
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@coldandtired said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
They seem to offer their own version of everything
The one I looked at, framanotes, is an existing opensource software they forked (Turtl). So at least they aren't trying to create all the things themselves.
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@pie_flavor It's Quality Open Source too. Here's the Windows instructions:
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@blakeyrat Jesus. How fucking hard is it to make an executable which does that for you?
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@pie_flavor
Apparently it's impossible unless apt-get is installed on the system
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The link explaining their authentication system literally leads to the github issue where it was added.
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Their modding documentation is a link to a Github-hosted text file which is six thousand lines long.
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@sockpuppet7 said in [De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?](/post
The one I looked at, framanotes, is an existing opensource software they forked (Turtl). So at least they aren't trying to create all the things themselves.
Their goal is to offer an open-source alternative ecosystem, which includes forking and renaming other existing projects (hence the whole "frama*" pattern). I think I read that some open-source supporters find that a bit disingenuous.
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Wooo!
Now let's find the link to those Frenchie's server.
Wow this is shitty, even by the shitty standards of open source games.
I can't play because it's asking for something and I don't know what because I don't read French. Huh.
Ok I guessed and put in a birth date year and that got past that dialog. But now it says "you must speak French to play here" despite their website telling me to use this server in English. Quality.
So, this is a thing.
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@blakeyrat said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
Ok I guessed and put in a birth date year and that got past that dialog.
(Part of) the text says: "the word to type at the bottom of this form is: guitare".
So either you were born in a musical instrument, or their basic string-comparison check is broken.
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@zerosquare Or the dialog just stops nagging if you guess wrong too many times.
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Let's try a simple search with their search engine.
Ok, apart from the fact that I can't read anything on this page, it appears to say that it forwarded my search to Bing, one of the search engines they're warning me not to use because it's too close to Google or something.
Just for kicks - this probably won't work at all - let's try using Bing directly.
Oh look. It gave me RELEVANT RESULTS instead of a random Amazon.com page and a random Wikipedia article that have nothing to do with my search query.
You want to know the reason actual search engines can provide search results that make more than 0% sense? Because they have bots that go around the internet reading websites. That costs money to do. Server space isn't free.
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I also love how they suggest "Wordpress" as an alternative twice but they didn't bother visiting either link to see how it's supposed to be capitalized.
They also suggest not using GitHub and then for their alternative to YouTube they suggest uploading your videos to what appears to be a GitHub repository.
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@blakeyrat said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
@gribnit Yeah I tried to identify all the logos but I didn't get very far.
GAME: HELP FINISH THE LIST. From left to right:
- Gnu
- (Flying frog, no idea)
- Tux (Linux)
- (Purple shirt woman, no idea)
- Guy with Copyleft flag
- (Lyre guy, no idea)
- (Beer viking woman with unicorn t-shirt, no idea)
- (Shaved kid playing tuba, no idea)
- Woman holding Tor onion
- (Sheep-- no idea)
- (Woman in kimono and cat hat, no idea)
- (Tree stump)
- Minecraft character (EDIT: based on above, it's a FraMineTest character)
- (Purple haired unicorn, no idea)
- (Superhero guy with goggles, no idea)
- (Laughing woman, no idea)
- (Angry cowboy woman, no idea)
- Mastodon
- (Cat peeking from left side, no idea)
- Puffy (OpenBSD)
Added a couple to the list. Also added an entry for the anthropomorphic tree stump, which I also guess is a mascot.
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@blakeyrat said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
I can't play because it's asking for something and I don't know what because I don't read French. Huh.
the high security password is in the rules ... try guitare
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Also, these guys are really just based off reading this topic. They claim GitHub is TEH EVILZ! but are still using it for a lot of projects, even though they supposedly have their own Git repo. They also have a massive hate for anything closed source, but loves Minecraft so much they are willing to ignore its closed source-ness. And they want to rebrand a lot of FOSS software to their own name for no other reason than massive ego I guess.
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@gribnit said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
@blakeyrat ... around a campfire."
The image is almost certainly a deliberate Asterix reference.
Edit: ’d by @marczellm, I see.
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@gurth This is the only thing I know of Asterix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg-HNYCJQ1U
And admittedly it's pretty funny. But 99.9% of Americans have never heard of it.
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@blakeyrat said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
This is the only thing I know of Asterix
The original comic books are better, especially the ones actually written by Goscinny; good pacing, good gags, good cultural references, and the plots don't hurt either (though some things are a bit dated now). They've got a really good translation into English too.
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@blakeyrat said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
@pie_flavor It's Quality Open Source too. Here's the Windows instructions:
"Extract the downloaded archive. We suggest C:\Minetest, C:\Games\Minetest\ or %USERPROFILE%\Documents\Minetest.
Do NOT save to C:\Program Files\ or similar, as it will cause problems (no write access)."
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@blakeyrat said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
99.9% of Americans have never heard of it.
The relevant bit to the subject of this thread is the backstory:
The year is 50 B.C. Gaul is entirely occupied by the Romans. Well not entirely! One small village of indomitable Gauls still holds out against the invaders.
The image with the characters around a bonfire of big IT companies references the feast at the end of (nearly?) every album, which is usually depicted in a similar manner.
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@el_heffe
One face palm for the program, one for UAC locks. Checks out.
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@blakeyrat Since everyone is just saying "you need to read it!", I'll spoil the fun and link the ending from "Asterix and the Cauldron":
PS: The tied-and-gagged figure at the top right is a running gag where nobody wants the bard to sing, and doubly so during festivities. I'm sad the parody you posted didn't use that one somewhere.
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@jbert That was one of the good ones.
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@blakeyrat said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
I see open source marketing efforts have come a long way since... oh wait no, still ass.
What do you expect? Open source (or free software even more so) is a computer nerd ideal/fetish (depending on how you look at it; sometimes it's both). Non-computer nerds do not buy into a nerd ideal/fetish. And anyway, like many fetishes, it is actually supposed to be painful/smelly/disgusting.
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@admiral_p Minecraft servers are pretty good as far as open source software goes, and non computer nerds play Minecraft.
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@pie_flavor said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
@admiral_p Minecraft servers are pretty good as far as open source software goes, and non computer nerds play Minecraft.
Honestly I don't get that game, I really don't. Anyway it's not user-facing software.
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@admiral_p You don't have to be a computer nerd to run a server either. That's the point, actually - plugins are mostly drag and drop with a few settings.
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@pie_flavor as I said, I don't get Minecraft, so I'm pretty ignorant of its specifics. Not all open source software is clunky/badly designed/painful to use anyway. I don't use Kodi but apparently it does a really good job of turning your whatever (PC, Raspberry Pi, Android thingy) into a media consumption device.
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@admiral_p IntelliJ IDEA is great too. As is PowerShell, and .NET Core in general.
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@pie_flavor said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
@admiral_p IntelliJ IDEA is great too. As is PowerShell, and .NET Core in general.
.NET core is an exercise in "how can we take the .NET framework and remove all the parts people like".
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@pie_flavor I really meant stuff people with no background in CS would use.
FWIW, I like roguelikes. Pixel Dungeon (and more specifically, Shattered Pixel Dungeon, a derivative) is an Android simplified roguelike which nails the retro game feel very well, is well put together, shows active development and has kept me engaged for hours. It's no Nethack/Dungeon Crawl but it's unfeasible to make them run on a phone, considering they make full use (or close to it) of the keyboard to work. It's a simple game but there are many commercial or closed source simple games on Android that aren't as enjoyable to play.
My point is that many OSS projects (well, the people behind them) do not care much about usability/appeal/design because the people who know any of this shit aren't so attracted to the ethos in the first place. And speaking to their like, they might not mind if there is some (or total) lack of polish or heavy-handed messaging.
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@pie_flavor said in De-Google-ify The Internet I guess somehow?:
Minecraft servers are pretty good as far as open source software goes, and non computer nerds play Minecraft.
But these guys aren't saying "play Minecraft", they're saying "Minecraft is EBIL! (probably because M$!!!) play MineTest instead!" and MineTest is shit.