Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?
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@Cursorkeys said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@e4tmyl33t said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
It's kind of a crappy thing to put in search terms, because that's pretty much just part of the "copy/paste" thing they give you to share it out when you sign up.
Really? Well, I'm sure he's guilty of something. Laziness in not changing it then...
I mean, I didn't. Am I doing it right?
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@anonymous234 said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@coldandtired said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
The US helped by providing materials and arms. Very useful for sure, but hardly worth the bizarre 'saviour of the world' image some people want to give it, especially given its global actions in the years since.
Did the PR department get invented in 1946?
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@Steve-Tan Welcome to the forums, spambot!
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@coldandtired said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@anonymous234 said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@coldandtired said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
The US helped by providing materials and arms. Very useful for sure, but hardly worth the bizarre 'saviour of the world' image some people want to give it, especially given its global actions in the years since.
Did the PR department get invented in 1946?
There's a 50 year gap between the first and second datapoint. And I hazard the US may have handled the post-war period better.
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@PleegWat The cold war and the hollywood movies should have some influence
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@anonymous234 said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@coldandtired said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
The US helped by providing materials and arms. Very useful for sure, but hardly worth the bizarre 'saviour of the world' image some people want to give it, especially given its global actions in the years since.
Proof that French people are susceptible to American propoganda
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The verbiage has changed slightly I think.
"please make sure this person didn't steal your publicly shared link we encouraged you to share"
Sure....
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@Tsaukpaetra Did they get an issue with people creating false accounts to max their rewards? Awh. Dunno why they care, as you need scientific notation to write the probability of this getting anywhere anyway. Oh, right, they got heads-up-their-asses syndrome and can't see their little project is stillborn.
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Haha, I just saw this pop up in my work slack. Although at least they don't seem to be taking it seriously: "As far as I can see there is little chance to gain anything but I don't think there is risk."
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@Atazhaia said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@Tsaukpaetra Did they get an issue with people creating false accounts to max their rewards? Awh. Dunno why they care, as you need scientific notation to write the probability of this getting anywhere anyway. Oh, right, they got heads-up-their-asses syndrome and can't see their little project is stillborn.
A big part of their shtick was that this personal verification garbage would build trust.
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Somehow people keep clicking my link. What the fuck?
Oh, hi, @rowley , I verified you.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
Somehow people keep clicking my link. What the fuck?
I don't want to have anything to do with this Initiative Q stuff. But reading the above sentences did momentarily tempt me to click your link as well. :)
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@Scarlet_Manuka
The best would be if you clicked his link multiple times, maybe with a set of identities like
Never Gonna give.you@gmail.com
Up Never gonna.let@gmail.com
You Down never.gonna@gmail.com
Run Around and.desert.you@gmail.com
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
Somehow people keep clicking my link. What the fuck?
I don't want to have anything to do with this Initiative Q stuff. But reading the above sentences did momentarily tempt me to click your link as well. :)
Apparently enough have clicked that I'm now a champion!
But the pyramid says I'll only be a champion if the people that click my link have others click their links. So I need to encourage clicking.
Filed under: ad-lib exercise
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I would just like to take the time to point out that, during the lifespan of this thread, Venmo has shot way the fuck up in popularity and their business model is precisely what I branded as a hypothetical 'Initiative L' - the ease of transactions both from person-to-vendor and person-to-person, with money existing as 'credit' which you can either set up a wire for for free or take via card number for a processing fee. The burrito place near my school now accepts Venmo, as does Uber. @initiativeq - you guys missed out on what was actually a successful business model. Sucks to be you.
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@Atazhaia said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
Dunno why they care, as you need scientific notation to write the probability of this getting anywhere anyway.
0.00e+1
?
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@pie_flavor said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
I would just like to take the time to point out that, during the lifespan of this thread, Venmo has shot way the fuck up in popularity and their business model is precisely what I branded as a hypothetical 'Initiative L' - the ease of transactions both from person-to-vendor and person-to-person, with money existing as 'credit' which you can either set up a wire for for free or take via card number for a processing fee. The burrito place near my school now accepts Venmo, as does Uber. @initiativeq - you guys missed out on what was actually a successful business model. Sucks to be you.
I thought that service existed mainly to fill in the niche of sending "donations" to Instagram "models?"
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@pie_flavor said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
Venmo has shot way the fuck up in popularity
Do they still list your transactions publicly by default?
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@boomzilla I don't know what the default is; I just know that mine's set to private.
But, here's the important part: It's still popular. People use it. It's got widespread support. You could spend a week in SF with nothing but Venmo. Even dumb shit like public transactions doesn't actually get people to not use it - people are perfectly willing to put up with little stupidities like that if it makes everything more convenient. Like I said, @initiativeq missed out.
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@pie_flavor said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
But, here's the important part: It's still popular. People use it. It's got widespread support.
I get that. It makes sense as far as all that goes, even if I don't have a big reason to use it. I was just wondering about this:
https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/25220/venmo-social-feed-is-dumb
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@boomzilla Oh, I won't argue that it's not colossally stupid.
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@initiativeq said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
Now I need to prepare for the official launch...
That's one hell of a lot of preparation.
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@pie_flavor said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
You could spend a week in SF with nothing but Venmo.
But would you want to? A day at a time is just fine, and preferably if you're taking BART in. Driving in the city is even less pleasant than driving in DC, and that's an accomplishment.
Even dumb shit like public transactions doesn't actually get people to not use it - people are perfectly willing to put up with little stupidities like that if it makes everything more convenient. Like I said, @initiativeq missed out.
Are the transactions "anonymized" in the same way they are for credit card statements? I could see problems if someone were to buy a collection of purple dildos from Big Black Cocks, Inc., but if it shows up as "BBC INC" on the history, people will just think you like British television.
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@Groaner said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
Are the transactions "anonymized" in the same way they are for credit card statements? I could see problems if someone were to buy a collection of purple dildos from Big Black Cocks, Inc., but if it shows up as "BBC INC" on the history, people will just think you like British television.
: <marketing>We anonymize our name for your safety!</marketing>
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Initiative Q has now blown up on my FB. Let's see what happens next.
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@Groaner You can set privacy level per-transaction.
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@pie_flavor said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
what I branded as a hypothetical 'Initiative L'
You missed the opportunity to call it Initiative :pi:. You suck at branding.
edit: FA doesn't have the fucking pi symbol?!?
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@Groaner said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
purple dildos from Big Black Cocks, Inc.,
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@pie_flavor said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@Groaner You can set privacy level per-transaction.
You have your choice of "Public" or "Public after our first inevitable data breach".
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@Lorne-Kates said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@pie_flavor said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
what I branded as a hypothetical 'Initiative L'
You missed the opportunity to call it Initiative :pi:. You suck at branding.
edit: FA doesn't have the fucking pi symbol?!?
It's not an fa-emoji because it's a Unicode character. π
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@izzion said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@Scarlet_Manuka
The best would be if you clicked his link multiple times, maybe with a set of identities like
Never Gonna give.you@gmail.com
Up Never gonna.let@gmail.com
You Down never.gonna@gmail.com
Run Around and.desert.you@gmail.comWell... my ISP does allow me ten mailboxes, and our family is only five people....
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@pie_flavor said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
It's not an fa-emoji because it's a Unicode character. π
I don't have a Unicode keyboard. My house wasn't big enough.
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@Lorne-Kates Neither do I. It's an HTML entity. π
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@pie_flavor said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@Lorne-Kates Neither do I. It's an HTML entity. π
how can that be an HTML entity, pi existed before HTML!
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@Lorne-Kates Yeah, but you had to switch to Symbol font to type it in.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
edit: FA doesn't have the fucking pi symbol?!?
ⲡ
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@Lorne-Kates said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
I don't have a Unicode keyboard. My house wasn't big enough.
This thread is now about Google Japan IMEs. I'll start.
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@Groaner said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
Are the transactions "anonymized" in the same way they are for credit card statements? I could see problems if someone were to buy a collection of purple dildos from Big Black Cocks, Inc., but if it shows up as "BBC INC" on the history, people will just think you like British television.
They never deliver the product and then they mail you a check for a refund that you will never deposit at your bank.
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@boomzilla said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
A big part of their shtick was that this personal verification garbage would build trust.
I wonder if they accounted for + notation in Gmail addresses? You could generate millions in worthless notes no one will ever use with just one email account if they didn't.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
So I need to encourage clicking.
More! More!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
So I need to encourage clicking.
More! More!
Post the link again. I'll click it.
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@TwelveBaud said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
This thread is now about Google Japan IMEs. I'll start.
Fun bit of history.
So a long time ago, there was this thing called the printing press. You would have this tray with slots. In those slots would go letters. The letters would get covered in ink, and it would press (hence the name) onto a piece of paper, printing your words.
Needless to say, it was time consuming because you'd have to go to your tray of letters, and pick them out one by one to spell your words. Which, in the grand scheme of things, wasn't all that hard for a press that used a Latin alphabet-- 26 lower case, 26 upper case, 10 numbers, some punctuation. (blah blah literally uppercase, we all know that). And they are also in alphabetical order. Want the letter N. Your brain already has it's position indexed.
But-- what if you weren't using a Latin alphabet. Let's say you were instead using Mandarin or Cantonese. Well, you don't spell out words, do you? Nope, instead you have thousands upon thousands of characters. And there isn't really an "alphabetical order" to them. It's up to the press operator to decide.
Now enter the time when China had both the printing press, and was making government-dictated anti-America propaganda. The press operator is setting this up, and starts to realize that there's some repetition of groups of words. For example, whenever the word "America" showed up (or the characters that make up that sound) would always be followed by the same phrase like "pigdog" (example, obv). So he's there thinking-- if everytime I use the characters for "America", I use the same characters right afterwards-- well, why don't I just move those printing blocks so they are together in my tray.
And since he's doing that, he starts to realize that there are other groupings of characters that are similar. Whenever you use this character-- then it's almost certain you're going to use this other character. In fact whole phrases start to seem to fall into this pattern. So each press operator, depending on their own printing, start to arrange their personal trays to group common characters together, to make their block selection easier and easier.
So what I'm saying is-- early Chinese printing press operators basically invented predictive text.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
Here’s my invite link: https://initiativeq.com/invite/BbALBJIWX
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@Lorne-Kates said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
you'd have to go to your tray of letters, and pick them out one by one to spell your words. Which, in the grand scheme of things, wasn't all that hard for a press that used a Latin alphabet-- 26 lower case, 26 upper case, 10 numbers, some punctuation. (blah blah literally uppercase, we all know that). And they are also in alphabetical order. Want the letter N. Your brain already has it's position indexed.
Only the capital letters are in alphabetical order. The compartments of the lowercase letters, ligatures, punctuation and spaces in the type case are sized and located according to frequency of use of the various letters to minimize the movement of the setter. It's been decades since I hand-set type (my mom's family were printers, and we had a press and maybe 100 cases of type in our garage), so I don't remember the layout of a case, but it turns out there wasn't really a standard. There was a de facto standard case, but the arrangement of the letters in it varied somewhat between print shops. While e would always be in the largest compartment at the back center of the case, letters with similar frequencies of occurrence — e.g., i and s — that would be in the same size compartments might be swapped between one shop and another. I can't easily paste it here because it's an HTML/CSS table, not an image, but Wikipedia has a good diagram of a typical layout.
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@HardwareGeek said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
Only the capital letters are in alphabetical order.
So the English typesetters invented QWERTY first.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
Here’s my invite link: https://initiativeq.com/invite/BbALBJIWX
Holy fucking shit I forgot how absolutely shitty their site is. The nice blank screen for 6 seconds before presenting any UI. And it's a SPA. So he's my experience so far:
- Follow your link. Look all over the place to find "Sign up". It doesn't exist.
- Finally click Login. And hey, there's the "Sign up" link. Great discoverability
- Fill in the sign up form, click submit
- Get error "recaptcha failed". Oops, I guess I need to add some whitelists for this site. Weird, there isn't a request to the googleapis domain or whatever recaptcha is associated with. I'll allow googletagmanager though, just in case.
- Refresh page, and since it's a SPA, I'm back on the home page. Click Login
- Get the page saying "hey you fucker, you need a referral link". So-- even though I followed a referral link, you don't save that code anywhere in, like, a cookie or a session?
- Come back here, click the link again (this time opening in a new tab).
- Login - sign up - fill in form. "recaptcha failed"
- Cheesus Muffin-fudger Crack, what is going on? Fine, I'll temporarily whitelist ALL requests and ALL javascript. Don't refresh this time. I'll just close the login modal and-- and-- esc doesn't work. There's no (x) to close the modal. COME ON
- Refresh. Login doesn't work. Come back here. Click on the link.
- login - signup - fill in form - submit - "recaptcha failed"
- THERE'S NO FUCKING RECAPTCHA ON THE PAGE ANYWHERE FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
- Fine, maybe it's Palemoon. Open Chrome (latest). Paste link. Disable all adblock / request blocking / script blocking on the Q site. Login - signup - fill in form
- "recaptcha failed"
- Try again with the console open. I can clearly see the requests to gstatic for recaptcha files. There are no errors or warnings in the console.
- Login - signup - fill in form - submit
- Network shows an XHR post to their API for new user. And I get back a response with body
{"message":"Recaptcha failed, sorry.","message_code":"recaptcha_failed"}
, and an http status of 422. - http 422:
422 Unprocessable Entity. The server understands the content type of the request entity (hence a 415 Unsupported Media Type status code is inappropriate), and the syntax of the request entity is correct (thus a 400 Bad Request status code is inappropriate) but was unable to process the contained instructions.
- what the living shit?!?
Oh my fuck, fucking fuck this fucking fuck. I thought they were hiring a whole team of the world's best engineers to make this shit happen, and they can't even get recaptcha to work right? Fuck off.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
Follow your link. Look all over the place to find "Sign up". It doesn't exist.
You were supposed to click the purple "Reserve your spot" button:
But yeah, clicking "Log in" then the tiny "Sign up" text will get you there too.
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mmm, even better. Check this shit out in my cookies for the site:
react_ab_experiment-02=0.0.14.2
. Mmm, yes, mmm delicious and good-- not only is their site fucked up, but it is INTENTIONALLY fucked up because someone said "I want to try something".For the records, the request payload JSON has
g-recaptcha-response: ""
Excellent work, boyz.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Initiative Q - Money from nowhere?:
You were supposed to click the purple "Reserve your spot" button:
OH MY FUCKING GOD.
I opened a private window, and clicked that button instead of the link. I'd call it voodoo, but if I look at my cookies I see:
react_ab_experiment-02=0.0.14.2-copy-1
Meaning that yes, indeed, their AB experiment fucked up their login process. And in addition, they named it
copy-1
, which means the group I'm in before was the original AND THE ORIGINAL IS BROKEN.Great, this means that their press release is stored in a file called "Press Release 2017 - reviewed - final - revised - 2018 version - copy 1 (2).docx"
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