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@hardwaregeek it's just a nickname but one that made it over here. We also have something similar going on with our legislature.
But I was definitely trying to provoke a 'is it just bashing ObamaCare for the sake of it' response, especially because I'm from the damned hotbed of socialism that is Europe where bankrupting oneself for healthcare purposes doesn't really exist nearly so much.
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Seriously, guys, that's included in every instruction manual from IKEA: Anchor the damn things to the wall.
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@rhywden said in In other news today...:
Seriously, guys, that's included in every instruction manual from IKEA: Anchor the damn things to the wall.
Be nice if they'd put that in words instead of pictures. Maybe even in English.
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@brisingraerowing said in In other news today...:
Why on Earth is that a valid reason to deny a transplant?!?
Because the sins of the father must hang over the head of the son?
It's a tradition held since Adam, after all...
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@da-doctah said in In other news today...:
@rhywden said in In other news today...:
Seriously, guys, that's included in every instruction manual from IKEA: Anchor the damn things to the wall.
Be nice if they'd put that in words instead of pictures. Maybe even in English.
I just looked: That information is put on the second to sixth page in plain English, French, German, Turkish, Persian, Russian and pretty much any other language of the countries they sell furniture in.
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@rhywden Think of it this way: though it is sad that the child is punished for the omissions of the parents, it's natural selection in progress.
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@dkf A problem for tragedies involving children is the whole blame game that takes place in the aftermath. For any accident which could have been prevented by the parents, it's never their fault, For any accident for which there is no protection against, the parents are always at fault.
So when the parents don't follow the clearly written instructions to secure their furniture to the wall, it's obviously Ikea seeling insecure furniture. My latest tall Ikea bookshelf even came with two kinds of fasteners, depending on if it was to be placed along the wall or going out into the room (which is how I use it; to partition off the sleeping area). It's just a matter of taking the extra 5 minutes to do that step.
We even had that common sense failure happening here a few years back. Kids were running around a graveyard climbing the tombstones, and a big heavy one tipped and crushed one of the kids. Was the aftermath the logical thing: conclude that it was a tragedy from kids doing something they shouldn't? Nope! Now every single tombstone in the entire country has to be secured so that they don't tip whenever kids climb them.
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All hail Florida Man, the most sexually liberated of idiots.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaMan/comments/77tk9z/florida_man_teacher_fired_for_throwing_a_dildo/
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@scholrlea said in In other news today...:
All hail Florida Man, the most sexually liberated of idiots.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaMan/comments/77tk9z/florida_man_teacher_fired_for_throwing_a_dildo/
Well, if he's going to go out he might as well go out with a wang.
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@Atazhaia I'd suggest the parents might have been at fault either way. They should have anchored the furniture so it wouldn't tip over, and they also should have taught their kids not to do stupid things, like climb or pull on the dresser.
Although there is also the possibility that, for whatever reason, the placement of the bureau wouldn't allow it to be fastened to a solid part of the wall, so even if it was fastened to the (dry-)wall, it wouldn't have held anyways.
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@djls45 Yeah. In this case it's the fault of the parents. They should anchor the furniture to minimize the risk of tipping regardless, and also teach their kids that climbing on furniture is a bad idea, especially tall ones. But I was talking more generally about whenever there's accidents involving children. For some reason, directing the blame in the correct direction seems very hard in those cases.
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@atazhaia said in In other news today...:
it's the fault of the parents. They should anchor the furniture to minimize the risk of tipping regardless, and also teach their kids that climbing on furniture is a bad idea
Wouldn't it be easier to just anchor the children? Keep 'em out of trouble?
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@dreikin said in In other news today...:
@scholrlea said in In other news today...:
All hail Florida Man, the most sexually liberated of idiots.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaMan/comments/77tk9z/florida_man_teacher_fired_for_throwing_a_dildo/
Well, if he's going to go out he might as well go out with a wang.
Despite the "Florida Man" category, the teacher was actually a woman.
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@scholrlea said in In other news today...:
Florida Man
Florida Man, Florida Man
Doing the things a Florida can
What's he like?
He's actually a she
Florida Man
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@scholrlea My mental image of what happened changed drastically while reading the headline
Florida Man teacher fired for throwing a dildo
themed party at school
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Unfortunately this is not an Onion article.
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@polygeekery It's unfortunate that his appointment got canceled?
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*sigh* The SESTA mess just keeps getting worse:
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@masonwheeler https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/o/ottovonbis161318.html
Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made.
Otto von Bismarck
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/o/ottovonbis161318.html
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@antiquarian Too bad that quote looks to be misattributed - though it is more succint than the way John Godfrey Saxe put it.
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@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
*sigh* The SESTA mess just keeps getting worse:
Is there a link about what it actually does? TFA assumes a level of knowledge beyond never having heard of this thing before. I read the summary:
Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act of 2017
This bill amends the Communications Act of 1934 to specify that communications decency provisions protecting providers from liability for the private blocking or screening of offensive material shall not be construed to impair the enforcement of, or limit availability of victim restitution or civil remedies under, state or federal criminal or civil laws relating to sex trafficking of children or sex trafficking by force, fraud, or coercion.
The bill amends the federal criminal code to specify that the violation for benefiting from "participation in a venture" engaged in sex trafficking of children, or by force, fraud, or coercion, includes knowing conduct by any person or entity by any means that assists, supports, or facilitates the violation.
Reading the text is like looking at a code diff of unfamiliar code. None of that seems to me to be doing anything like what TFA is talking about.
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Who could have ever seen this coming?
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@hungrier said in In other news today...:
Who could have ever seen this coming?
Maybe someone who has some idea what the article is talking about?
I gather that Spectacles are different to spectacles, otherwise known as glasses, and that this has something to do with teen favourite sex picture service Snapchat
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@boomzilla There are some links in the article.
Basically, it's a bill to criminalize any website that "participates in" sex trafficking. The problem is, "participate" is an incredibly broad and vague definition that leaves it open to all sorts of abuse. It's conceivable, not just based on vague worries but after seeing things that people have done with laws like this in the past, that a site could be found liable for sex trafficking if some troll posts a trafficking-related ad in a comments section somewhere.
This is not how the Internet is supposed to operate. CDA 230 gives those who run websites absolute immunity from liability for the actions of their users, specifically to head off problems like this, and it's been frustrating Steve Dallas types to no end since the 90s. This is looking like their best shot to punch a big hole in 230 protections and then start expanding from there, and if that happens, it'll be catastrophic for any site that allows user participation.
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@masonwheeler And there's no way that would ever get weaponized. Just like the ADA has never been weaponized...
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@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
There are some links in the article.
There were a jillion links in the article. I followed a few of them but not one that really answered my questions.
@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
It's conceivable, not just based on vague worries but after seeing things that people have done with laws like this in the past, that a site could be found liable for sex trafficking if some troll posts a trafficking-related ad in a comments section somewhere.
Did any of the links substantiate that with some examples?
@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
CDA 230 gives those who run websites absolute immunity from liability for the actions of their users, specifically to head off problems like this, and it's been frustrating Steve Dallas types to no end since the 90s. This is looking like their best shot to punch a big hole in 230 protections and then start expanding from there, and if that happens, it'll be catastrophic for any site that allows user participation.
So, again, got something that explains how that happens? Because it's not obvious at all to me, having looked at the actual bill. IANAL and neither am I any sort of historian. You're arguing like you want to convince me not to prosecute people for hosting a web page instead of answering the question of how that happens from the bill under consideration.
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@benjamin-hall Exactly. That's the worry here, especially when we start to see that it's being backed by a bunch of people with ties to Hollywood, who have always been opposed to CDA 230.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
There were a jillion links in the article. I followed a few of them but not one that really answered my questions.
Check out the first link from the article and the first link from that article for a pretty thorough analysis of what's wrong with SESTA and what sorts of websites could become victims to abuse of it.
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@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
There were a jillion links in the article. I followed a few of them but not one that really answered my questions.
Check out the first link from the article and the first link from that article for a pretty thorough analysis of what's wrong with SESTA and what sorts of websites could become victims to abuse of it.
OK:
First link: That provides the sort of thing they're worried about. Seems...unlikely.
Second link: But what do they mean by "knowing conduct"? Who the hell knows. That seems to be the crux of it. But nothing in this guy's writing seems to say that he's a lawyer who knows anything about related legal precedents, etc., which would be terribly useful for decoding legal languageI was hoping for some lawblog out there somewhere that could shed some light on his interpretation, which seems a bit fanciful to me, actually, but sometimes you never know..."The law is a ass" and all that.
So, I'd say your techdirt links are legitimate red flags for possible problems, I don't know that I'd put too much trust in his analysis.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
There were a jillion links in the article. I followed a few of them but not one that really answered my questions.
Check out the first link from the article and the first link from that article for a pretty thorough analysis of what's wrong with SESTA and what sorts of websites could become victims to abuse of it.
OK:
First link: That provides the sort of thing they're worried about. Seems...unlikely.
Second link: But what do they mean by "knowing conduct"? Who the hell knows. That seems to be the crux of it. But nothing in this guy's writing seems to say that he's a lawyer who knows anything about related legal precedents, etc., which would be terribly useful for decoding legal languageI was hoping for some lawblog out there somewhere that could shed some light on his interpretation, which seems a bit fanciful to me, actually, but sometimes you never know..."The law is a ass" and all that.
So, I'd say your techdirt links are legitimate red flags for possible problems, I don't know that I'd put too much trust in his analysis.
I don't know anything about these particulars, but judging from previous precedent (laws that were pushed but not passed as well as the ADA), blurring the safe-harbor provisions at all leaves wide latitude for politically-motivated (or other malicious) prosecution. It's a slope I'd rather not start down.
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@benjamin-hall said in In other news today...:
I don't know anything about these particulars, but judging from previous precedent (laws that were pushed but not passed as well as the ADA), blurring the safe-harbor provisions at all leaves wide latitude for politically-motivated (or other malicious) prosecution. It's a slope I'd rather not start down.
And I'd like to see how that sort of legal logic could be applied to this. Vague hand waving by legal laymen should definitely be taken with a grain of salt. Supposedly, lots of people are against this. Surely one of them includes a lawyer who has written publicly.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
And I'd like to see how that sort of legal logic could be applied to this.
Why? They want to change safe harbor, as it works well today they sure as hell won't be doing anything to make it stronger.
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@bulb From there I got to this one, which I think does a good explanatory job:
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@boner said in In other news today...:
The builder's morning took a turn for the worse after his Arabic post was wrongly translated to "attack them" in Hebrew.
Wow. How do you end up with a language ambiguity like that?
...and apparently the answer is "you don't." From the article:
It was unclear how such a translation error could have been made as there are no apparent similarities between the Arabic expression used for "good morning" and the phrases in Hebrew or English.
So this is some severely broken translation software!
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@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
Wow. How do you end up with a language ambiguity like that?
Trolls submitting common phrases.
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And it already has more rights than women!
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
And it already has more rights than women!
Yes, it's allowed to drive
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
And it already has more rights than women!
Obviously they're assuming robots are all male.
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@dcon said in In other news today...:
Obviously they're assuming robots are all male.
Because of their dongles?
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@polygeekery Jesus, dude. Are you trying to get fired?
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@jaloopa said in In other news today...:
@polygeekery Jesus, dude. Are you trying to get fired?
Dongle. -sniggers-
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@polygeekery You'll be talking about strong software next
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@jaloopa once I start sniggering about "dongles" I am stuck on that for a while.
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@luhmann don't kink shame me.
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@polygeekery
I'll kink your shame anyday