Building a new gaming pc
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@Quwertzuiopp said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin Uhhhh, maybe the CPU is not sticking properly on the motherboard? A bent pin maybe? Otherwise, I have no clue as for how to proceed further without testing the same CPU with a differen motherboard. This looks suspiciously like "satans part" or something straight up broken.
Crap.
I took the CPU out and took a look: all good.
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Called ASUS: they said it sounds like a problem with the memory ports and I should return it.
So that's what I'll do.
ETA: Amazon has an excellent replacement program. New board should be here Friday, and I have thirty days to send this back via UPS, with a free shipping label.
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@Dreikin I hope that really was the problem, pinning down these hardware issues is a nightmare. If you have further problems with the ram, the people from the thread I posted can probably help you. The Asus CH6H really is the best AM4 motherboard out there right now, so a ton of people have it and a ton of people that are probably more helpful than me frequent that thread.
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@Quwertzuiopp said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin I hope that really was the problem, pinning down these hardware issues is a nightmare. If you have further problems with the ram, the people from the thread I posted can probably help you. The Asus CH6H really is the best AM4 motherboard out there right now, so a ton of people have it and a ton of people that are probably more helpful than me frequent that thread.
Okay, thanks!
Hopefully it'll all be done and booting by Saturday morning. If not, well, let that be a warning to y'all ;)
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@accalia said in Building a new gaming pc:
a weekly goat sacrifice (you are allowed to eat the goat after the ritual if you want)
This is a myth, eating the goat leads to random config corruption. The dark gods frown on (figuratively) half-hearted offerings.
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Dang. This thread just further convinces me that not building my own machines has been a good decision.
Just imagine what a shambles my lawn would be in if I had to divert this much time away from it!
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@boomzilla Jokes aside. The main decision is mobo + cpu + graphics.
After my recent experience don't buy an AMD card. Buy nvidia. The card is fine the drivers are shit.
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@lucas1 said in Building a new gaming pc:
The main decision is mobo + cpu + graphics.
Yeah...I'll just buy something off the
shelfpage, thanks.
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@boomzilla ok.
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@boomzilla said in Building a new gaming pc:
@lucas1 said in Building a new gaming pc:
The main decision is mobo + cpu + graphics.
Yeah...I'll just buy something off the
shelfpage, thanks.if you must, then okay, but i'm telling you, major nerd cred lost right there.
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@accalia
Nerd cred doesn't keep the kids off his lawn...Though maybe he could rig up some sort of Google Home controlled electric fence with a supplementary hornet's nest, that would keep the kids off his lawn and get the nerd cred
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@accalia said in Building a new gaming pc:
if you must, then okay, but i'm telling you, major nerd cred lost right there.
Is that something I need? The concept of a "gaming PC" is also something you can keep.
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@boomzilla
But if you don't have a GAMING PC, how will you run Lawn Protection Simulator 2017 in Full Ultra Super HD?
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@izzion said in Building a new gaming pc:
@boomzilla
But if you don't have a GAMING PC, how will you run Lawn Protection Simulator 2017 in Full Ultra Super HD?I have that running in a separate WINDOW, you see.
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@boomzilla said in Building a new gaming pc:
Yeah...I'll just buy something off the shelfpage, thanks.
That was what I tried first, but then I looked at the markup and went this way instead. Even with the delays, the difference in cost given what I want is worth it.
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@boomzilla said in Building a new gaming pc:
@lucas1 said in Building a new gaming pc:
The main decision is mobo + cpu + graphics.
Yeah...I'll just buy something off the
shelfpage, thanks.When I built mine, I debated about that. So I did both. I went to the computer store and had them help pick the components to make sure they were compatible. It was worth the extra price of not buying online.
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@boomzilla said in Building a new gaming pc:
The concept of a "gaming PC" is also something you can keep
GTFO of this thread then
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New mobo results:
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@Dreikin New? Wow. I haven't seen a "no keyboard detected; press <key>" error in a long time...
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@Dreikin
I'm glad I was wrong. Good luck with the bleeding edge :)
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@Dreikin Sooo... good news is it's booting? Is the keyboard thingy because you actually didn't connect a keyboard? Otherwise let me tell you that for whatever reasons most BIOS and Windows in Recovery mode often don't play ball with USB Keyboards connected to a USB3 port if they are not USB3. I thought my Mobo was broken for a solid day until I figured that one out when I tried to recover my PC a few years ago.
Now you just need to put the Voltage up to the max. save Vcore (1.35V I think), see wether it boots at 3.8, 3.9, 4.0 and 4.1 GHz respectively (a chip that goes to 4.2Ghz with a save Vcore that won't grill your chip is exceedingly rare), and play with the RAM timings, voltage, clockspeed and mutipliers (that chart I posted had some settings for your exact setup that worked). And then you're all set.
I don't remember wether you used an M.2 harddrive only, but be warned that you will need to manually package any Linux live system with fitting NVMe drivers or you won't be able to mount and partition. Also took me longer to figure out than I care to admit. Windows 10 comes prepackaged with those, but Windows 7 does not, so if you are going for win7 google for one of the guides that tells you how to load the driver during the install process.
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@Quwertzuiopp said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin Sooo... good news is it's booting? Is the keyboard thingy because you actually didn't connect a keyboard?
Yep :D I forgot to plug it back in after switching motherboards.
Otherwise let me tell you that for whatever reasons most BIOS and Windows in Recovery mode often don't play ball with USB Keyboards connected to a USB3 port if they are not USB3. I thought my Mobo was broken for a solid day until I figured that one out when I tried to recover my PC a few years ago.
Now you just need to put the Voltage up to the max. save Vcore (1.35V I think), see wether it boots at 3.8, 3.9, 4.0 and 4.1 GHz respectively (a chip that goes to 4.2Ghz with a save Vcore that won't grill your chip is exceedingly rare), and play with the RAM timings, voltage, clockspeed and mutipliers (that chart I posted had some settings for your exact setup that worked). And then you're all set.
I don't remember wether you used an M.2 harddrive only, but be warned that you will need to manually package any Linux live system with fitting NVMe drivers or you won't be able to mount and partition. Also took me longer to figure out than I care to admit. Windows 10 comes prepackaged with those, but Windows 7 does not, so if you are going for win7 google for one of the guides that tells you how to load the driver during the install process.
Thanks! I'm going to try the motherboard OC preset first, and only win 10 on the NVMe drive. Part of the reason I want all the cores is so I can more conveniently do a Linux VM instead of dual boot.
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@Dreikin Well then good luck and have fun!
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Aaaand I installed Windows on the wrong 2TB drive.
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@Dreikin Ouch. Happy to hear it's booting though.
Have you checked if you're on the latest BIOS already? The C6H has a pretty handy mechanism for doing it: download the image to a usb stick, stick it in the BIOS usb port, shut down the pc and press the BIOS button. It'll copy the image from the usb and update the BIOS in a couple minutes.
Also has another button for resetting the CMOS, so you don't need to mess with jumpers and the like. That one actually saved me after I messed around with the ram settings and got it to the point where the pc wouldn't boot.
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@Kian said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin Ouch. Happy to hear it's booting though.
Have you checked if you're on the latest BIOS already? The C6H has a pretty handy mechanism for doing it: download the image to a usb stick, stick it in the BIOS usb port, shut down the pc and press the BIOS button. It'll copy the image from the usb and update the BIOS in a couple minutes.
Also has another button for resetting the CMOS, so you don't need to mess with jumpers and the like. That one actually saved me after I messed around with the ram settings and got it to the point where the pc wouldn't boot.
Yep. I actually did the same thing with the RAM settings XD
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@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
Aaaand I installed Windows on the wrong 2TB drive.
Any drive is the wrong drive.
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@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
Aaaand I installed Windows on the wrong 2TB drive.
When I last built a gaming pc, I only plugged the SSD in first and installed Windows on that. Only after that was working did I connect the other drives. Aside from Windows occasionally reordering the drive letters () it worked fine as a plan.
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@dkf said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
Aaaand I installed Windows on the wrong 2TB drive.
When I last built a gaming pc, I only plugged the SSD in first and installed Windows on that. Only after that was working did I connect the other drives. Aside from Windows occasionally reordering the drive letters () it worked fine as a plan.
Yeah, once I realized what happened I disconnected the decoy drive so there'd be only one 2TB drive visible.
And then I discovered that Disk Management won't let you delete certain "protected" partitions, like the recovery partition from the accidental install. Had to use the CLI
diskpart
program to do it.
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Didn't someone tell me that just having one drive connected as a precaution when installing Windows was unnecessary, because the installer never fucks up in any way? Hmm...
Oh, well. Soon time for me to make a computer reinstall, which will happen as soon as I'm done with my current testing. And then I will get to enjoy the fun of the Windows installer again! I also need to decide if to go for regular Mint or Mint Debian for the Linux install.
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@Atazhaia
Technically, the installer never fucks up, just the meat that's telling it what to do
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@izzion Yep. Totally my fault that when I tell Windows to install itself on a harddrive that it also puts shit on two other drives that I did not tell it to touch! Oh, well. Soon Windows will be confined to its own environment where it can't fuck up my computer too much.
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@Atazhaia said in Building a new gaming pc:
Didn't someone tell me that just having one drive connected as a precaution when installing Windows was unnecessary, because the installer never fucks up in any way? Hmm...
Oh, well. Soon time for me to make a computer reinstall, which will happen as soon as I'm done with my current testing. And then I will get to enjoy the fun of the Windows installer again! I also need to decide if to go for regular Mint or Mint Debian for the Linux install.
@Atazhaia said in Building a new gaming pc:
@izzion Yep. Totally my fault that when I tell Windows to install itself on a harddrive that it also puts shit on two other drives that I did not tell it to touch! Oh, well. Soon Windows will be confined to its own environment where it can't fuck up my computer too much.
Not sure what you're talking about, but Windows did exactly what it was supposed to for the install, it didn't cross over to any other drives. While I definitely think it should provide more clarity about which is which (maybe drive models or connection types/numbers), having risked it being the wrong one instead of turning it off and unplugging the wrong one as I could have, the fault, like @izzion said, was mine.
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@Dreikin Just talking about the Windows installer in general. It seems to be able to mess up in exciting ways given the chance regardless if it is human error or itself being fail. Although they may have fixed the issue I was talking about by now.
Also, kinda stupid that Windows refuses to delete protected partitions not belonging to the current OS install without special magic. Although I guess it just reads partition flags for that check.
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@Dreikin You had a 2 TB ssd, or two 2 TB hdds?
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@Kian said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin You had a 2 TB ssd, or two 2 TB hdds?
Two 2TB SSDs. One expensive NVMe one, and one cheap SATA one for a scratch space for certain things.
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@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Kian said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin You had a 2 TB ssd, or two 2 TB hdds?
Two 2TB SSDs. One expensive NVMe one, and one cheap SATA one for a scratch space for certain things.
I don't think a 2 TB SATA SSD counts as "cheap".
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@Dragnslcr said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Kian said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin You had a 2 TB ssd, or two 2 TB hdds?
Two 2TB SSDs. One expensive NVMe one, and one cheap SATA one for a scratch space for certain things.
I don't think a 2 TB SATA SSD counts as "cheap".
Relative to the one in the picture?
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@Dragnslcr said in Building a new gaming pc:
I don't think a 2 TB SATA SSD counts as "cheap".
Does it cost as much as your car insurance?
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@dkf said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dragnslcr said in Building a new gaming pc:
I don't think a 2 TB SATA SSD counts as "cheap".
Does it cost as much as your car insurance?
...Just about a year and a month, actually.
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@Dreikin Dang. And I thought I was splurging with the 240 GB SATA ssd O.o
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@Kian said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin Dang. And I thought I was splurging with the 240 GB SATA ssd O.o
Yeah, unfortunately for me I tend to use a lot of all the things - space, memory, compute speed, compute threads...
It gets expensive trying to optimize for all of that at once. :(
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@Kian said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin Dang. And I thought I was splurging with the 240 GB SATA ssd O.o
LOL!
I put in a 500G M.2 boot and a 1T secondary SSD drive. With Visual Studio and other dev tools, 500G is as small as I'll go...
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SSDs are dangerous. Best is not to start using them at all. When I bought my current computer back in 2010 I got a 60GB SSD as a Windows drive. And now I have ~1.5TB of SSD total in my computer. It's like a drug. You start little thinking it'll be enough, but soon you want to have your most used programs on an SSD too. And after that all programs. And then only SSDs are good enough for you.
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@Atazhaia
Before long, your habit will be so bad, you'll start looking up how to configure a RAMDisk, just to get that little bit of crucial extra speed for your Dorf Fortress.
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@izzion What saves me from that right now is that my RAM is too small to make any RAMdisk experiments. I worry for whenever I get a computer upgrade, however. Especially if I manage to stick 64+GB RAM in it so I'll have the room to start looking at it.
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@Atazhaia said in Building a new gaming pc:
@izzion What saves me from that right now is that my RAM is too small to make any RAMdisk experiments. I worry for whenever I get a computer upgrade, however. Especially if I manage to stick 64+GB RAM in it so I'll have the room to start looking at it.
I think I did that once or twice back when I only had in the 4-16 GB range. Can't remember why, but I'm pretty sure it was on linux.
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Well, took about 3 weeks but I got my GTX1080 today!
The box is pretty big:
Has three fans. The red lines should light up too, haven't gotten around to configure it yet though:
And in to the case it goes. Slid in pretty smoothly, no issues installing it:
I now have to find something that will actually make it break a sweat :P Got a bunch of games I've been meaning to try, like Witcher 3 and Deus Ex (the last one).
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@Kian said in Building a new gaming pc:
I now have to find something that will actually make it break a sweat
FREE:
- http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/
- https://benchmark.unigine.com/heaven
- https://benchmark.unigine.com/superposition
- https://benchmark.unigine.com/valley
Nagware:
PAID (but worth it) and/or Free (It gets the job done):
to the disappointment of @Perverted_Vixen i was unable to find "Boobmark - A breast physics simulation based benchmark"
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@accalia Ok, ran the furmark test at 1920x1080: http://www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/score.php?which=428414
I installed the Heaven benchmark but got an error:
Downloading the Valley one now.