@pie_flavor said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@pie_flavor said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
@kt_ said in The A in Apple is for Affordable:
Wait, I'll bite. Why does it say on their website that it's only for 30 minutes?
Because it's a different, lower depth that it's for an undetermined amount of time for. Maybe it survives at 1m for infinite time and 5m for 30 minutes. That's a really easy way of satisfying these statements, a thing which I again said several posts ago but you ignored because you don't bother reading my posts. You only bothered reading it this time because I was only quoting your own words back at you. But the literal specification for IP*8 says that there must be a depth at which it can survive an undetermined amount of time for.
Of course you're wrong.
- If it were water resistant for indefinite amount of time, Samsung would've boasted that.
For the vast number of people who intend to leave their phone in a puddle of water for more than thirty minutes, obviously.
So you think that Samsung and Apple have phones that can be kept under 1m of water indefinite amount of time and they never mention it in their marketing materials?
You're even stupider than you sound!
- Both Apple and Samsung in case of their IP68-certified phones don't ever mention them being able to survive indefinite amount of time under any pressure.
'Course they do. Right where they say 'this phone is IP68'.
Hope you realize how moronic you sound.
iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max are splash, water, and dust resistant and were tested under controlled laboratory conditions with a rating of IP68 under IEC standard 60529 (maximum depth of 2 meters up to 30 minutes).
even your beloved google disagrees with you:
Exactly. A period of time that is not known. It can't just stand up to time periods that you've determined beforehand; it must be able to stand up to any time period whether you've determined it or not.
Exactly. You're just a troll. You completely disregard the only logical interpretation of the word "undetermined", which is also listed as the first one in the screenshot, and you decide to stick the one that sounds completely stupid here.
What sounds stupid about 'unknown length of time means they don't know what length of time it is'?
What sounds stupid is "this means that it's indefinitely". It doesn't. And both manufacturers state that they can only guarantee up to 30 minutes, which is corroborated by tests.
The IP68 dust- and water-resistance Ingress Protection rating means your device is completely protected against dust, and it is water-resistant in up to 5 feet of water for up to 30 minutes.
In what world does "up to 30 minutes" mean "we don't know how long it'll take".
You also decided to disregard the fact that we don't have the actual definition from the spec. To the best of my knowledge, the spec is not available publicly. We only have several documents that interpret the spec and Wikipedia is extremely ambiguous in their definition.
But no, you decided to stick with the illogical interpretation of Wikipedia's wording instead of accepting the real-world examples of IP68 implementations and guarantees that the manufacturers give.
Yes, let's look at some of those graphics.
Strange! It's almost like many people interpret it exactly this way! What a troll I must be for daring to agree with manufacturers.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong? I don't think you do, because odds are you'll reply to this post with something equally retarded as you've been replying with so far.
https://www.mpl.ch/info/IPratings.html
7: Protected against short periods of immersion in water.
8: Protected against long, durable periods of immersion in water.
https://www.samsung.com/au/support/mobile-devices/water-and-dust-protection-ip68/ (SAMSUNG!!!)
Do not immerse the device in water deeper than 1.5 metres and do not keep it submerged in water less than 1.5 metres deep for more than 30 minutes.
Strange, it's as if even Samsung disagrees with your claim about their phones. Again!
7: Protection against strong water jets and waves.
8: Protected against temporary immersion.
Wait a sec, they can get devices certified for IP x8, when they can only guarantee "temporary" immersion?
unbox:http://www.inscapedata.com/pdf/IP68.pdf
7 Protection against effects of immersion from 15cm to 1m
8 Protection against complete, continuous submersion in water from 15 meters or 50 feet
Again, a discrepancy. It's as if manufacturers of different kinds of equipment define "their" guarantee for 8 differently. It's as if... it depends!
And finally:
Not all devices that are IP68 are intended to be continuously submerged, some only require a temporary rating to protect from occasional submersion.
For example a pressure transmitter installed below ground level will be vulnerable to flooding during periods of heavy rainfall. In these applications the pressure transmitter only needs to be protected for a duration of a few days.
The most vulnerable part of a pressure transmitter to water ingress is the electrical interface and typically a mating connector with a temporary immersion specification would be used in flood risk areas.
It is particularly important to check the duration specified for a temporary IP68 in flood zones since the required duration will vary depending on the nature of flood risk.
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Due to the inter-relationship between depth and duration, an IP68 specification for temporary immersion may indicate more than one rating for the same device e.g. 10mH2O for 48 hours or 50mH2O for 6 hours.
All IP68 ratings should be accompanied by a specified depth and duration, however it is not always clearly indicated in manufacturerโs technical data sheets especially for those products which are obviously intended for long duration submersion such as borehole sensors.
So go on and suck my dick.
This topic is done for me. Unless you can actually provide a full IEC 60529 document, I have out-proven you. I've shown a huge number of companies that get the 8 rating for submersion for non-indefinite amount of time. I have also shown a few companies clearly specifying that "time and depth are to be specified by the company/agreed with user". All of your argument holds only on your interpretation of the word "continuous" and some (different!) interpretations of the 8 rating, which just further proves my point (environment for 8 is to be established by the manufacturer).