@Arantor said in Ask the entrepreneurs advice:
@kt_ because you’re un-psyop-able and therefore it is a psy-op on the rest of us?
Hey, I learned a new word!
@Arantor said in Ask the entrepreneurs advice:
@kt_ because you’re un-psyop-able and therefore it is a psy-op on the rest of us?
Hey, I learned a new word!
@Gąska said in Ask the entrepreneurs advice:
@kt_ said in Ask the entrepreneurs advice:
@Gąska said in Ask the entrepreneurs advice:
@kt_!!!!!!
What?
You're in the screenshot.
Well, I'm right, right there. But I won't elaborate.
@kt_ said in Ask the entrepreneurs advice:
@Gąska said in Ask the entrepreneurs advice:
@kt_!!!!!!
What?
Interesting, where's my avatar? ISTR I had one… 🤔
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@topspin said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Sara was objectively wrong about all of this but not lying because she thought what she said is true.
What kind of "alternative fact" shit is this? Before you speak about a certain topic you're supposed to look into it and find out basic information like what it is all about. Doing otherwise is and makes yourself a level of being as high as the conspiracy theorists.
It's called common sense and if you don't have it, never enter any kind of arguments. The world will thank you later.
I think what @topspin meant was that Sara is still good people, just done fucked up, acted harshly in a rush. She's not trying to lie, she's just not aware what she's saying isn't true.
@pie_flavor said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@powerlord said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
There's another post about this whole mess now, this time from StackOverflow's CTO:
A great post full of absolutely nothing. "We hurt you and we're sorry" for a couple of paragraphs, and then absolutely jack shit on the topic of why any of this was decided on, which of Sara and Monica were directly lying (given the claim about repeated violations vs the claim of zero violations), etc.
Exactly my thoughts. @Mason-Wheeler, do you and your fellow moderators feel this apology changes anything?
@Benjamin-Hall said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@kt_ all I was doing was responding to the question. As usual, I try to stay out of most internet "arguments", at least the substantive parts.
That's what I figured, just wanted to confirm.
@Benjamin-Hall said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Unperverted-Vixen according to her account linked above, the one who started the whole CoC/pronoun kerfuffle was a non-binary or trans (not clear which) moderator who took a very hard line, including demanding that SO require (hard positive rule) use of "preferred" (their word) pronouns and that writing in a gender-neutral way is not acceptable.
I understand that you want to set the account straight and that you believe that there was actually one trans person involved, but knowing you I also do believe that you're aware of the fact that it doesn't matter. One person (or even a few people) writing something on twitter is not (as @levicki tries to say) a vocal minority, or even a substantial part of the minority, or even a part large enough to actually take larger notice than "there are stupid people on the internet".
@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Unperverted-Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Is there any evidence that any actual trans people were involved with her removal? Or is this just their so-called allies overcorrecting?
Sadly, all evidence seems to be "he said / she said" at this point. There was one queer mod involved who resigned from what I read.
Since you quoted that particular part of my post I should probably clarify that I didn't mean it to be taken as being specific to the SE situation, but an observation of a trend on how things tend to unwrap once the vocal minority starts rioting and demanding things.
Yeah, all those pesky minorities demanding things, that can't accept that they're simply abnormal and don't matter!
Ok, now you tried and explained your own backwards opinions as "I didn't mean it in the context of this situation, just generally", whereas this situation is obviously exactly what we're talking about and not really anything else. Still, you're basing your views on a kind of extrapolation of situations like this one, which is a real shame, because it means it's impossible to take you seriously.
@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@kt_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Do you really believe that stack exchange is now run by trans people only?
I never said anything about who is now running Stack Exchange nor I intend to.
If you somehow convinced yourself I did (and you seem to be trying to convince others as well judging by the accusatory tone of your post), then quote the relevant part of my post so we can all see what kind of mental gymnastics you had to go through to come to that conclusion.
Well, it's you who's trying to explain this SE meltdown with "this is how a group of trans people reacts"! No, it's not. This is how a company that wants to position themselves as fighters for someone rights to finally start earning money reacts. Or how Silly Valley people react.
TL;DR -- your therapy doesn't seem to be working.
Never said it did. But I have less money to spend on booze, so maybe it kinda does?
@kt_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@JBert said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Oh, and a news article.
People are getting angry that The Register got more of a response out of the top brass in that article than could be found on the site itself, when you would think that the job of those people is managing the site...
They said "our CoC is not up for debate".
Btw, this is exactly what I keep telling my girl. And that she should start taking it seriously finally, or I'm gonna shadowban her into the oblivion. Thankfully c she doesn't understand what "shadowban" is because she's not a nerd and she's pretty stable psychologically and emotionally, so she's actually interesting and she never needed to visit WTDWTF, which also means she's still a cheerful person with a positive outlook on life.
To be honest, I think that registering on these boards has scarred me for life. And now the therapy eats a large chunk of my income.
@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Zerosquare said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
The official "apology"'s score is now below -1k points. That must be some kind of record.
Let it be known that I eagerly clicked "Join this community" and confirmed account creation (I already had SO account) just to be able to downvote it myself.
@Mason_Wheeler said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
https://letter.artofcode.co.uk
Open letter to SE, signed by 38 remaining moderators, including myself.
My main takeaway from that open letter is this part:
That same community member is now described in the press with language that can be taken to imply she is an extremist and a bigot. This news article is now the top search report for her name, which may cause her serious issues in real life, with her friends, her family, and her career.
It seems that if you dare to disagree with whatever that vocal faction of trans people deems "proper" there is no room for a civilized debate -- you instantly get labeled with one or more of "bigot, chauvinist, mysogynist, extremist, sexist, shitlord, cis-normative, homophobe, heterosexist", and publicly shamed with the possiblity of serious real-life consequences -- the kind of consequences those same trans people were fighting for decades to avoid themselves. For me, that reeks of hypocrisy.
Do you really believe that stack exchange is now run by trans people only? Because this whole drama has been caused not by someone ranting on Twitter but by the employees of the company. Hey, if you want to go this road, let's be honest: this could all easily be the fault of crab of lizard people, for all we now.
Someone expressed their bewilderment to the fact that levicki gets downvoted more than other people with similar opinions. That's because he's prone to overgeneralizing in this particular way, time and time again. And it becomes hard to believe that what he said was not actually what he meant and that there might be more nuance to his opinion than that.
@loopback0 said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Zerosquare The next time they need to issue an official apology, it'll get closed as a duplicate.
Sometimes I wish I could upvote a post 100 times and this is one of those posts.
@Mason_Wheeler said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Atazhaia Awwww...
Try finding someone special. I'm getting lots more hugs ever since I met the woman I ended up marrying!
If only I could meet the woman you ended up marrying, too…
@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Atazhaia said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen Yay! hugs
yay! hugs!
Is this still WTDWTF? Why are you hugging each other instead of threatening to burn each other's houses? Something fishy's going on here…
@kt_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@kt_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@JBert said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Oh, and a news article.
People are getting angry that The Register got more of a response out of the top brass in that article than could be found on the site itself, when you would think that the job of those people is managing the site...
They said "our CoC is not up for debate".
And then she said: "we take our CoC very seriously". This is just too beautiful to be true!
"While we can’t discuss any more specifics, I’ll share that we take our CoC very seriously," Chipps continued. "It was created to foster a community of kindness, collaboration, and mutual respect. We understand that a few other moderators have resigned, and they may or may not have full knowledge of the situation. But we hope all moderators know that we very much value and appreciate their contributions, and above all else, we are committed to creating communities that are welcoming and inclusive."
I have just one comment:
@kt_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@JBert said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Oh, and a news article.
People are getting angry that The Register got more of a response out of the top brass in that article than could be found on the site itself, when you would think that the job of those people is managing the site...
They said "our CoC is not up for debate".
And then she said: "we take our CoC very seriously". This is just too beautiful to be true!
@JBert said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Oh, and a news article.
People are getting angry that The Register got more of a response out of the top brass in that article than could be found on the site itself, when you would think that the job of those people is managing the site...
They said "our CoC is not up for debate".
@marczellm said in Any Star Wars EU fans here?:
I'm contemplating getting into the Star Wars EU,
Heard that Star Wars is thinking about leaving the EU, so I think you should hurry up!
@loopback0 said in The iPhone XS (will) Max (out your credit card):
@kt_ said in The iPhone XS (will) Max (out your credit card):
after almost a year now, how do you like your Xr?
I've only had it 6 months but it's brilliant.
@kt_ said in The iPhone XS (will) Max (out your credit card):
What made you go for that one?
It's cheaper than the XS and my carrier had an offer which made it £200 cheaper, and the only features sacrificed are ones I didn't care about plus the battery life is superb.
TBH I'd still be using my 6S if it wasn't for 2 things - the Lightning port was iffy and sometimes required the cable to be wedged at a an angle to charge and the battery was only charging to 80% of its capacity. Both could have been fixed for significantly less but I faniced a new phone rather than fixing one that was over 3 years old.
What's interesting to me is that I haven't seen that many Xrs in Poland. It's mostly Xses. Could be I just don't notice them this much cause they're all wrapped snugly in cases and then look like 8s this way.
@loopback0 said in The iPhone XS (will) Max (out your credit card):
Works for me, although they're obviously more tiny on my (work) SE than they are on my XR.
Hey, man, after almost a year now, how do you like your Xr? What made you go for that one? (I know there's nothing special about this question, since most people did. )
@sh_code said in The iPhone XS (will) Max (out your credit card):
@Bulb said in The iPhone XS (will) Max (out your credit card):
t is a status symbol. Somebody shows off with insanely overpriced shirt from Versace, somebody has insanely overpriced phone from Apple.
i agree. and by doing that, both successfully signal their status of being morons.
You must be a fun person to hang out with, hating people based on the phone they use. ;)
@admiral_p said in Where is Mexico?:
@Captain Europe. Italy specifically.
Definitely not to Poland. Here we're taught well.
@cartman82 said in Thoughts on why so much .NET code is just awful...:
@kt_ said in Thoughts on why so much .NET code is just awful...:
So, how does the sewer freedom taste?
The same, but they have foosball table, so eh.
Are you fed bitcoins for breakfast?
@cartman82 said in Thoughts on why so much .NET code is just awful...:
@MSgtSoupSandwich said in Thoughts on why so much .NET code is just awful...:
Wow, I left .NET over 5 years ago now, and all this sounds pretty much how I remember it.
Help. How did you escape?
Slowly filed away bars with a file I hid in my butt, swam through sewers the entire night to reach freedom.
So, how does the sewer freedom taste?
I love it when people generalize their anecdata.
But I gotta tell you, I hate those mercenaries developers who want to have a life outside of work, too!
Bad projects are bad. News at 11. Dunno what .NET has to do with this.
Are you suggesting that .NET causes a disease that eats your brains out or something?
@topspin said in Microsoft debuts Bosque – a yet another pointless programming language:
@kt_ said in Microsoft debuts Bosque – a yet another pointless programming language:
@admiral_p said in Microsoft debuts Bosque – a yet another pointless programming language:
@kt_ yeah I tend to value NT achievements more for some reason. Marcello Lippi's greatest achievement was the 2006 World Cup. We'll be talking about it for decades.
The crying kid in Italy vs Germany = FUCK YEAH UP YOURS SAUERKRAUTS
Football can be really petty.
I tend to value Real Madrid's achievements more for some reason. Zidane's greatest achievement was 3 UCLs in a row. We'll be talking about it for decades.
The crying kid in Real vs Liverpool = FUCK YEAH UP YOURS SAUERKRAUT
Which of these parties do you call Krauts?
Being compared to mince pie might be the real insult here.
Loris Karius is German.
@admiral_p said in Microsoft debuts Bosque – a yet another pointless programming language:
@kt_ yeah I tend to value NT achievements more for some reason. Marcello Lippi's greatest achievement was the 2006 World Cup. We'll be talking about it for decades.
The crying kid in Italy vs Germany = FUCK YEAH UP YOURS SAUERKRAUTS
Football can be really petty.
I tend to value Real Madrid's achievements more for some reason. Zidane's greatest achievement was 3 UCLs in a row. We'll be talking about it for decades.
The crying kid in Real vs Liverpool = FUCK YEAH UP YOURS SAUERKRAUT
Football can be really petty. Really petty, indeed.
@admiral_p said in Microsoft debuts Bosque – a yet another pointless programming language:
@kt_ a World Cup and the 2012 Euros. I thought of exactly the same thing.
Hey, hey, don't forget 2 UCLs ('00, '02) and 2 LaLiga titles ('01 and '03) with Los Merengues.
@Zecc said in Microsoft debuts Bosque – a yet another pointless programming language:
@Deadfast said in Microsoft debuts Bosque – a yet another pointless programming language:
Say hi to "Bosque", a language that has such a great name that I don't even know how to pronounce it!
I read somewhere that the name was chosen because
It is a Spanish word used in the SouthWest US for forest along a river. No particular reason behind the name, just a
unique and easily searchable choice.Yes, very unique (being a common word) and searchable (being a common word, and because Google autocorrects "bosque language" to "Basque language").
I thought they chose it because of this guy:
God knows he deserves this!
@remi said in Thanks, Alex!:
@kt_ There are two main reasons for this kind of loss of colour: prolonged exposure to sunlight, and too many washes (usually in a dishwasher).
This was dishwasher. That's why only one has lost color -- lesson learned.
There are two easy solutions for these problems: stop having sunlight in your office, and stop washing your mug.
The first one will remove sun glare and unwanted distractions, making you a better programmer. The second one will remove social interactions and unwanted coworkers bothering you, making you a better programmer.
So really, you're just posting excuses for being a bad programmer.
Haha! Yeah, but no. This picture was just meant to showcase that I have three of those and sincerely thank Alex for them.
Filed under: Unless I'm ing. I could be, it's 2 AM and I just woke up and we're all mourning the fire of the Norte Dame cathedral!
@pie_flavor said in What if we just didn't write the bugs, then we wouldn't have buggy software:
I don't think my eyes are physically capable of rolling any harder.
Um, let me reiterate the URL: https://ponderwall.com/index.php/2019/04/04/flaw-free-software-possible-math/
Yup. PHP!
So yeah, why don't we?
@xaade said in Fuck this place:
@kt_ said in Fuck this place:
@xaade said in Fuck this place:
@admiral_p said in Fuck this place:
benefit from
I'm really tired of playing 1,212,122,121,223 degrees of "benefit from [bad thing x]"
Are you seriously doing this whole Je suis @Polygeekery shit?
You're boring. :/
Um no.
I just trolled for 4/1
That was almost 3 months ago!
@pie_flavor said in Fuck this place:
@kt_ said in Fuck this place:
@xaade said in Fuck this place:
@admiral_p said in Fuck this place:
benefit from
I'm really tired of playing 1,212,122,121,223 degrees of "benefit from [bad thing x]"
Are you seriously doing this whole Je suis @Polygeekery shit?
You're boring. :/
Ceci n'est pas @Polygeekery.
Douché.
@marczellm said in Fuck this place:
@kt_ said in Fuck this place:
E.g. this is what happened with Blade Runner 2049, even though the original's title was actually translated.
I haven't seen Blade Runner but do you have any idea why the Hungarian title says Winged Headhunter?
As good a translation as anything. Blade Runner is an idiom, really. You can't translate this properly. In Polish it was done as "The Android hunter".
@xaade said in Fuck this place:
@admiral_p said in Fuck this place:
benefit from
I'm really tired of playing 1,212,122,121,223 degrees of "benefit from [bad thing x]"
Are you seriously doing this whole Je suis @Polygeekery shit?
You're boring. :/
@MrL said in Fuck this place:
@kt_ said in Fuck this place:
Of course that's why it works, that's why they came up with it in the first place! I mean, they knew the story when making the translation. They didn't know the future, though. Of course!
At that point, they could've either gone with "Zatwardzialec" or something equally stupid, or settle for what they settled for.
There's a huge difference between 'it works' and 'is a good translation'. "Glass Trap" is not a translation at all.
This is the problem with translating titles: you don't know the future, you have to make it marketable and in line with the story.
Distributors don't care about future movies or accuracy of translation - marketing is the only motivation here.
This was a good decision. As was "Wirujący seks": "wirujący" in Polish has strong connotations with dancing and "seks" with this particular meaning of "dirty".
Note that in Polish you can't really translate "dirty" meaning "sexy" in a straightforward way, it's usually translated as "niegrzeczny" (bad, as in "bad boy"), but "Niegrzeczny taniec" or any variation of it would've been pretty laughable, too; and clunky.
"Grzeszny" (sinful) would be a good translation and would look good. The title was chosen only because the distributor wanted to have word 'sex' on display.
"Grzeszny" as in "grzeszny taniec"? Would have to think about it.
Apart from that, I'm yet waiting for you to say something that would contradict anything I said.
@kt_ Funny thing about both titles: if these movies were first released in 2010s, their titles might've been not translated at all in the first place, because the understanding of English has increased greatly. E.g. this is what happened with Blade Runner 2049, even though the original's title was actually translated.
@MrL said in Fuck this place:
@kt_ said in Fuck this place:
@MrL said in Fuck this place:
@admiral_p said in Fuck this place:
@hungrier oh oh oh yeah yeah I got one. Die Hard Is "Crystal Trap".
In Poland it's "Glass Trap".
Which actually, considering the intricacies of the Polish language, is quite a good translation.
Not really, it works only because it takes place inside a glass skyscraper. It doesn't make sense in next movies.
Of course that's why it works, that's why they came up with it in the first place! I mean, they knew the story when making the translation. They didn't know the future, though. Of course!
At that point, they could've either gone with "Zatwardzialec" or something equally stupid, or settle for what they settled for.
This is the problem with translating titles: you don't know the future, you have to make it marketable and in line with the story.
This was a good decision. As was "Wirujący seks": "wirujący" in Polish has strong connotations with dancing and "seks" with this particular meaning of "dirty".
Note that in Polish you can't really translate "dirty" meaning "sexy" in a straightforward way, it's usually translated as "niegrzeczny" (bad, as in "bad boy"), but "Niegrzeczny taniec" or any variation of it would've been pretty laughable, too; and clunky.
@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
@loopback0 no repro. You must've googled a lot for random applications for Android.
Different computer, Incognito mode, same results:
Confirmed.
@MrL said in Fuck this place:
@admiral_p said in Fuck this place:
@hungrier oh oh oh yeah yeah I got one. Die Hard Is "Crystal Trap".
In Poland it's "Glass Trap".
Which actually, considering the intricacies of the Polish language, is quite a good translation.
@Karla said in The Polygeekery ban is a false flag operation!:
I've talked to @Polygeekery .
There was no warning.
There are no posts that are not currently visible.
There was no heated PMs.I think this has been handled pretty shitty.
Shucks! :(
@HardwareGeek said in The Polygeekery ban is a false flag operation!:
@Karla said in The Polygeekery ban is a false flag operation!:
Yeah, I am biased, I like @Polygeekery and have similar political views so I'm being lumped into the same groups.
I live in an extremely blue city, in a blue state, the Garage gives me some respite being bombarded with hostility for having a different opinion than everyone around me.This. I wish I could give you more than one upvote.
Well, what happens is, quite often the garage feels as a red state. I think it was you that used the term "libtard" in meta recently…
@Karla said in The Polygeekery ban is a false flag operation!:
@blek said in The Polygeekery ban is a false flag operation!:
Also where's @boomzilla? I wonder if he knows anything, but it seems he hasn't posted anything after the ban happened.
Wondering this too.
He was also the object of some of the name-calling.
Let's not forget that @Polygeekery is just another one of @boomzilla's alts. Which means that poor old boom was banned too!
@MathNerdCNU said in The Polygeekery ban is a false flag operation!:
This Reddit thread seems appropriate and/or relevant:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/b7b1z8/failed_arrest_in_commerce_city/
Haha! Indeed and a 100x yup!
Just wanted to add: I don't condone his behavior. It was bad. I do believe he went overboard, even for our standards. But as we are a community without rules written down, we understand (as @pie_flavor and @Karla, and others?) said that people are banned for repeated unwanted behavior after being warned. Being an asshole or a raving dick was never enough.
@pie_flavor said in The Polygeekery ban is a false flag operation!:
@Karla said in The Polygeekery ban is a false flag operation!:
So what are the terms?
When fox was temp-banned, he had many explicit warnings of things to stop doing and was told not to repeat.
Also, how was his behavior objectively different than those he was responding to?Yeah, this reeks. The rules, as far as I can tell, are "no spam". He sure hasn't broken that one, else we'd have seen significant jeffing. If a rule other than this has been employed, what is the rule? Who else has broken it? What behavior should be ceased? Could I unwittingly be banned tomorrow?
I agree with you, in part. It's not only spam that you can get temp-banned for, I think. @Polygeekery has gone almost full-Fox with eunuch thing. However, I can't understand the reason for the ban, unless he was actually asked to stop. So unless there were posts that got deleted, or PMs we don't have access to, this should get explained.
I'm a bit sad about this recent piece of drama. This board has its problems and we could discuss the echo chamber thing, or the fact that there is a certain lack of balance in garage, but this is something that we should deal with appropriately, by talking in a more cool-headed manner. And not by yelling at each other about alt-right and libtards.
As Trump would say, SAAAAAAD.