@Gąska said in About diversity:
@Kamil-Podlesak said in About diversity:
I'm not talking about morality at all. You can talk about people dying without talking about morality.
Well, yes, in theory.
And in practice? Like, do you disagree that at no point did I base my argument on anything related to morality?
I agree that you did not intend, but... it's tricky, because people are emotional and morality is a big thing when thinking emotionally.
For example, you've made this statement:
which in turn leads to all kinds of tragedies, in extreme cases even deaths
So, deaths are bad, and we should feel sad about them (because that's what the work tragedy implies). Any number of deaths... actually, the word "even" imply that even small number of deaths is something very bad and sad. That, by itself, is not directly moral in sense, but...
What if I think (playing "Stalin's advocate") that it's not sad, it's not tragedy, it's just statistics? By moral standards of 99% of people (at least in our, "western" or "christian" culture), this is morally wrong - I am supposed to feel bad and sad about people dying (unless they deserve it, but that is kinda grey area). If I counter this by stating "whatever, some people die, that is not important", I am in danger of being accused of evil ("you insensitive prick!"). Also, I might feel bad myself, because of the lifelong conditioning. In any case, I don't want to feel bad about myself.
I'd really like to hear an honest answer. I want to be aware of my own biases, misconceptions and blind spots. And I'd really love to have a solid, technical discussion on diversity and its effects (like people have technical discussions about effects of various forms of taxation).
Technical discussions about forms of taxation are very limited and have strictly defined measurement criteria (typically, how much money you manage to obtain, plus some global measurement of economy). Arguments can be expressed by mathematics (arithmetics even).
To have similar discussions about diversity, you need to propose what is the goal and how to measure it.
Note that taxation policy is not morality free unless you severely restrict the discussion, either! There is important moral aspect of justice and directly opposite evaluations of what actually is just and injust (in simplified form, "poor people are too burdened" and "taxes are just daylight robbery").