Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
we're not in the garage
I'm not so sure anymore.
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@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The only type I ever get an actual paper script is for blood tests or radiology.
For me, not even that! My dr issues the request, I walk down to the lab and get the test. I cannot remember the last time I got a paper script from my doctor...
It depends on which doctor. My primary, blood is just next door, but most of the specialists that I see I need to go Quest or Labcorp.
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While trawling through the B****n news for oddities I encountered this:
Communitcate a change to the rules, then immediately backpedal by saying "you know, it doesn't need to be implemented, it's just a guideline".
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@JBert
Pfff this is nothing. Federal decision by our half-governement that wasn't completely talked through with the responsible state level. Flemish state minister quickly stated it currently wasn't feasible.
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@cvi said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Meh. Why single out nurses for this? Shouldn't we then require programmers or engineers to do rotations as well? (After all, those went to the same school too...) Or any role that specializes to any degree?
: There are full-stacks developers. We need full-stack nurses!
Plenty of videos of those to be found on the right kinds of web sites.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Actually, yes. Any kind of slack in a system (which a reserve ultimately amounts to) is subject to removal under capitalistic rules. We had such notions over here as well - reduce the number of hospitals due to "inefficiencies" and "slack".
Nope.
If it were, explain to me why the USA has more nurses, doctors, beds and everything else than countries with socialized medicine?
Physicians: Trinidad and Tobago have more than you.
North Korea is 28 spots ahead of the US on this list, huh? And Cuba is first?
Does that suggest a data collection problem to you?Yeah. definitions are sketchy and varying. And subject to "creative manipulation" for PR purposes.
Seriously, are you deliberately trying to make here? I can hardly believe you haven't heard this before...
In these countries, people are cheap. These regimes can very easily have lots of doctors, because they don't need to pay them well. They can also very easily train any number they want, education is cheap (again - professors work for peanuts, students live cheaply and in summer they can be sent to work the field).
In case of Cuba, it is deliberate policy to have most physicians per capita in the world, for PR reasons. The real issue is that they don't have proper equipment (because equipment is NOT cheap).So yes, comparing number of doctors do not make sense, especially in the context of COVID-19 treatment (where ICU equipment is the issue), but it is telling that even the hint of unfavourable statistic is enough to drive people into desperate straw-grabbing (and sometimes even blind rage). And discussion is completely derailed.
So in the end, the Cuban trolling works.
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@Luhmann said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@JBert
Pfff this is nothing. Federal decision by our half-governement that wasn't completely talked through with the responsible state level. Flemish state minister quickly stated it currently wasn't feasible.I feel like I just read something about cricket.
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Status Update: My PCP apparently agreed with @Karla and @Zerosquare that this is an emergency and made sure I got my medication today. I guess I'm too timid sometimes.
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Just because you have a sane government structure doesn't mean we should have one!
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@Luhmann said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Just because you have a sane government structure doesn't mean we should have one!
You saved us from a lot of problems when you declared yourself independent.
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Status Update: My PCP apparently agreed with @Karla and @Zerosquare that this is an emergency and made sure I got my medication today. I guess I'm too timid sometimes.
It's important to have an advocate with doctors. Which is generally ourselves, but of course we have to do it for our kids or for our parents when they get too . Or when someone is just too ill to do it for themselves.
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I heard a new reasonable-sounding explanation for the current flour penury in supermarkets. Apparently most flour sold in retail packaging actually comes from other countries, and with borders closed those circuits are obviously broken. Supermarkets (or maybe their supply chain, but it's hard to break down where one ends and the other starts) are either unable, or unwilling (probably a bit of both), to shift their supply from other flour providers (i.e. in France), so they are simply unable to provide any significant amount to customers.
On the other hand, most bakeries use other supply chains, and these ones are overwhelmingly using local (French) flour (after all, France is a net exporter of wheat, so we do have a lot of it!), so they don't have any supply problem -- and indeed, I've not heard about a single bakery that had problems.
(that theory sounds even more plausible to me given that while I've often seen bakeries proudly saying they're using French wheat, I've never seen flour packs in supermarkets saying so -- while this is prominently marked on other similar basic products e.g. milk, so if it's not marked on flour, it's likely because it isn't from France!)
So it's a bit like the explanation I heard for the UK (they only have a couple of factories doing small packaging and it's hard to re-purpose them), it's really due to the overall specialisation/globalisation of the economy more than anything else.
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Yep, we're flat. 1 - 2 cases trickling in per day over the last week, and yesterday was the first day for 0 new cases, at least for Omaha/Douglas County. Meanwhile, the MSM is still raging that our governor hasn't implemented an official stay-at-home order.
EDIT: Today's final numbers, for a metro area with a million people in a non-lockdown (at least officially, but in practical terms yes we're locked down) state: 259 confirmed cases, 7 deaths.
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Status Update: My PCP apparently agreed with @Karla and @Zerosquare that this is an emergency and made sure I got my medication today. I guess I'm too timid sometimes.
I give out more than my share of unsolicited advice but seriously I"m glad you called and got your medication.
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@mott555 said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Meanwhile, the MSM is still raging that our governor hasn't implemented an official stay-at-home order.
That's to be expected. The longer your state can function without it, the more likely that people in other states will notice and question whether the lockdowns are really still necessary.
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@antiquarian said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@mott555 said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Meanwhile, the MSM is still raging that our governor hasn't implemented an official stay-at-home order.
That's to be expected. The longer your state can function without it, the more likely that people in other states will notice and question whether the lockdowns are really still necessary.
And the more the calls for nationwide lockdowns to solve what's really a big-city problem (and only selected big cities) will fall flat.
I chalk a lot of it up to the fact that most of the national media and pundit/elite class is very NYC-centric. The whole "fly-over country" thing--they just can't even imagine what other areas are like outside of the NYC/Boston/DC belt. So since it's bad in NYC, it must be bad everywhere, because NYC is the whole nation in their minds. Not consciously, but in terms of importance weighting at the subconscious level..
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@antiquarian said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@mott555 said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Meanwhile, the MSM is still raging that our governor hasn't implemented an official stay-at-home order.
That's to be expected. The longer your state can function without it, the more likely that people in other states will notice and question whether the lockdowns are really still necessary.
And the more the calls for nationwide lockdowns to solve what's really a big-city problem (and only selected big cities) will fall flat.
I chalk a lot of it up to the fact that most of the national media and pundit/elite class is very NYC-centric. The whole "fly-over country" thing--they just can't even imagine what other areas are like outside of the NYC/Boston/DC belt. So since it's bad in NYC, it must be bad everywhere, because NYC is the whole nation in their minds. Not consciously, but in terms of importance weighting at the subconscious level..
In their minds:
NYC == Everywhere, USA
And even most (all?) other American cities still don't have our density or our ubiquitous transit system.
Diblasio threatening not to open the beaches and pools this summer. If so, he is going to have a bad time.
He can't arrest everyone who is trying to escape the heat.
ETA: NYC has cooling centers in the summer for people at risk of dying from the heat-that will be half the population if we can't go to beaches and pools.
Also, there will be drownings when people going to the beach regardless of the presence of lifeguards.
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@hungrier said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
LOL - that's hilarious!
I didn't initially absorb Pacific ocean and was like the ocean isn't to the West of NJ.
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@hungrier yeah, I was but I had that in mind in my post.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@antiquarian said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@mott555 said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Meanwhile, the MSM is still raging that our governor hasn't implemented an official stay-at-home order.
That's to be expected. The longer your state can function without it, the more likely that people in other states will notice and question whether the lockdowns are really still necessary.
And the more the calls for nationwide lockdowns to solve what's really a big-city problem (and only selected big cities) will fall flat.
Yeah, but I think maybe some people in those areas aren't making the behavioral changes that people in lockdown areas are when going to grocery stores, etc.:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/coronavirus-hot-spots-farm-belt-189272
Grand Island and surrounding Hall County have 214 confirmed cases of coronavirus, nearly a quarter of the stateâs total. At least 28 workers at JBS USA beef plant, Grand Islandâs largest employer, have tested positive.
Now, people working at a beef plant should definitely be considered essential and wouldn't be subject to stay at home orders. I've seen idiots on FB using stories like this as examples of why places like Nebraska should be locked down. They seem smart enough to realize that food doesn't come from the supermarket so I'm not sure where their logic is failing.
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@boomzilla Grand Island is so far away from us they might as well be in Hawaii. Even if we had a state lockdown, almost everybody west of Lincoln would have ignored it, because that's just how this state works. The two cities do their own thing, and the rest of the state does their own thing.
As I recall, Grand Island is sort of a major stop on the I-80 drug smuggling routes. I wonder if that factors into this somehow...
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@mott555 oh yeah...but seriously...THEY AREN'T GOING TO SHUT DOWN BEEF PROCESSING IN ANY STATE LOCKDOWN. People are losing their damn minds.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Now, people working at a beef plant should definitely be considered essential and wouldn't be subject to stay at home orders. I've seen idiots on FB using stories like this as examples of why places like Nebraska should be locked down. They seem smart enough to realize that food doesn't come from the supermarket so I'm not sure where their logic is failing.
My money is on motivated reasoning.
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Sweden seems to have crested and is going down in number of dead per day now the peak was about a week ago.
New cases seemt o be at a pretty fixed rate, but that may be because they are ramping testing up like mad, so they find more people that are infected rather than the number of infections being constant-ish. The worst hit area in Sweden is our capital, real big surprise there. In general, the top three counties are the top three in people living in cities as well I think. My guess back in the first week of march seems to be pretty accurate so far.
Imagine the media in half a year when the economy is struggling, and them blaming the politicians for overreacting during the pandemic and destroying lives by too hard lockdowns. It's coming.
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@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Sweden seems to have crested and is going down in number of dead per day now the peak was about a week ago.
New cases seemt o be at a pretty fixed rate, but that may be because they are ramping testing up like mad, so they find more people that are infected rather than the number of infections being constant-ish. The worst hit area in Sweden is our capital, real big surprise there. In general, the top three counties are the top three in people living in cities as well I think. My guess back in the first week of march seems to be pretty accurate so far.
Imagine the media in half a year when the economy is struggling, and them blaming the politicians for overreacting during the pandemic and destroying lives by too hard lockdowns. It's coming.Density, and especially public transport seem to matter the most.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So that means if I force my husband and myself to sleep face down we'll be safe?
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So that means if I force my husband and myself to sleep face down we'll be safe?
Only if you drink fish tank cleaner, too.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I am quite sure I've been hearing of them doing that for weeks.
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@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I am quite sure I've been hearing of them doing that for weeks.
I think it was a couple of days ago that I first heard about this. Of course, it may have been going on for a lot longer here. More important for doctors and nurses to tell each other about it than to tell reporters.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I am quite sure I've been hearing of them doing that for weeks.
I think it was a couple of days ago that I first heard about this. Of course, it may have been going on for a lot longer here. More important for doctors and nurses to tell each other about it than to tell reporters.
They already know. They've been doing that right from the start.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I am quite sure I've been hearing of them doing that for weeks.
I think it was a couple of days ago that I first heard about this. Of course, it may have been going on for a lot longer here. More important for doctors and nurses to tell each other about it than to tell reporters.
They already know. They've been doing that right from the start.
I see you didn't RTFA. Not that I expected anyone to do that.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear and it wouldnât be possible that, you know, as usual everything that comes out of NK is a lie but the other countriesâ numbers still make sense? Because I donât actually see anyone making claims about NK other than you.
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@Jaloopa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Programmers and engineers aren't going to be called in to a different role during national emergencie
If we'd all done a rotation into COBOL, there wouldn't be such an emergency in tax software
Oh come on, I still call bullshit on that. Sure, nobody has COBOL on their CV anymore, but learning a language is not that hard. Iâm sure everyone here could pick it up in no more than a week.
Now, all the libraries/frameworks/infrastructure that go along with it, that you need experience for. Which, I assume, COBOL doesnât have much for in libraries anyway. So the really hard part would be the domain knowledge and getting to know the clientâs specific code base themselves. But you have that with every language, that has nothing to do with COBOL.
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Germany reportedly has reached a base infection rate below 1!
(Number given is as low as 0.7 but subject to quite some uncertainties due to delayed stats reporting over the holidays)
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@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The following "real European" countries are between North Korea and the US in that ranking.
Australia
The Netherlands
Portugal
B****m
France
Israel
Ireland
New Zealand
The United Kingdom
CanadaFour of those ten are not typically considered European, and two have never even competed in Eurovision.
I could have written "mid-tier Western powers" but I put "real European countries" in quotation marks. If that low level joke counts as -worthy trolling, mea culpa I guess.
@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
And maybe someone should tell him [me] we're not in the garage, because he missed the point on purpose and is still comparing other stuff to the dubious North Korean data.
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@GuyWhoKilledBear and it wouldnât be possible that, you know, as usual everything that comes out of NK is a lie but the other countriesâ numbers still make sense? Because I donât actually see anyone making claims about NK other than you.
A bunch of people made claims about North Korea, including Rhywden, who posted the chart initially. I agree that the chart belongs in the garage, which is why I didn't post it.
North Korea's just the one that stuck out the most. There's a lot of "European Powers" (note the quotes) that people always point to as evidence in favor of socialized healthcare that are right in the neighborhood of the US.
You don't think NK or Cuba are fair comparisons? Fine, how about Canada and the UK? The US is basically tied with the UK, and literally tied with Canada.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The following "real European" countries are between North Korea and the US in that ranking.
Australia
The Netherlands
Portugal
B****m
France
Israel
Ireland
New Zealand
The United Kingdom
CanadaFour of those ten are not typically considered European, and two have never even competed in Eurovision.
I could have written "mid-tier Western powers" but I put "real European countries" in quotation marks. If that low level joke counts as -worthy trolling, mea culpa I guess.
Any excuse to make fun of Eurovision.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear The original argument was that the US leads everyone in everything. Which it doesn't. Since those numbers are self-reported you may now try to somehow tell us that everyone on that list above the US lied about it?
Maybe, just once, acknowledge why I posted that list?
Oh, and before you complain about that self-reporting thing, remember that other stats are also self-reported. Like, for example, the GDP.
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Stanford runs an antibody screening. A BIG one, randomly sampled. Saying that there's a 50x minimum difference between confirmed and actual cases.
Pull quote:
These prevalence estimates represent a range between 48,000 and 81,000 people infected in Santa Clara County by early April, 50-85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases. Conclusions The population prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in Santa Clara County implies that the infection is much more widespread than indicated by the number of confirmed cases.
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The city of Buenos Aires has now required people 70 and up to call a phone number to get a special permission to be allowed to leave their house at all, except when they leave to collect their pensions or get vaccines or medical treatment. I guess they got fed up of old people leaving their house. Also, both the city and the province of Buenos Aires are now requiring the use of face masks in public.
Starting on Monday some restrictions will be lifted, though lockdown will continue at least until April 26th
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@GuyWhoKilledBear The original argument was that the US leads everyone in everything. Which it doesn't. Since those numbers are self-reported you may now try to somehow tell us that everyone on that list above the US lied about it?
Maybe, just once, acknowledge why I posted that list?
Because you got lost on your way to the garage?
Most of the countries on the list that are significantly above the US are either not fair comparisons (Monaco is #2) or they're obviously lying (Cuba is #1, NK is above the US.)
There's a cluster of countries that are fair comparisons (like the UK and Canada) that the US very close to. In the case of Canada, it's a literal tie.
The argument was originally that the US has more healthcare resources than other countries do. According to your numbers, the UK has slightly more doctors per capita than the US. OK fine.
However, North Korea has significantly more doctors per capita than the UK does. Since the DPRK healthcare system is obviously so much worse than the UK's healthcare system, maybe doctors per capita isn't a great measure of how much healthcare resources a country has.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear You're ignoring Finland, Norway, Germany, ... and why exactly is Monacco not a fair comparison? Because you want it to be so?
I note that you're only picking the countries which make the US look better, dismiss those which don't and outright ignore those which don't fit your narrative.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
why exactly is Monacco not a fair comparison?
It's a super-rich city-state. Monaco has lots of anomalous statistics in many areas (mostly because it's got an unusual composition of citizenry and lacks any rural hinterlands) so this one also being anomalous too is no big surprise.
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@PleegWat
I remember it seeing it in Italyyearsa month ago in one off the first films
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@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Any excuse to make fun of Eurovision.
As long as I don't have to watch I'm all in
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On a forum I'm frequenting people are calling out for drastic measures in Sweden.
One guy tried to dispute that people that had antibodies could go back to work by saying that there have been hundreds of cases of reinfected. Well... I'd bloody expect there to be a few hundred registered such cases when the total number of infections are in the millions. That well within the margin of error, and the body doesn't necessarily create antibodies when it defeats a pathogen.
And he tried to counter with that there isn't herd immunity. Well no, but that doesn't really matter to the original argument.
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
why exactly is Monacco not a fair comparison?
It's a super-rich city-state. Monaco has lots of anomalous statistics in many areas (mostly because it's got an unusual composition of citizenry and lacks any rural hinterlands) so this one also being anomalous too is no big surprise.
Yes, but the original argument, and I'm repeating myself here, was: The US has the most of everything.