Things that remind you of WDTWTF members
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@Dragoon said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Get your pitchforks ready, for I have never been a fan of mechanical keyboards.
I'm not opposed to a mechanical keyboard, but I've never felt the need for one either.
But I'm a guy with a cheap mitsai wireless keyboard and a single 1920x1080 monitor, so don't mind me.
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@antiquarian said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I think we can all agree that mechanical keyboards are in general a Good Thing™.
Mechanical keyboards are to normal keyboards what audiophiles' gold cables are to normal cables.
Change my mind.
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@remi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Change my mind.
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@remi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@antiquarian said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I think we can all agree that mechanical keyboards are in general a Good Thing™.
Mechanical keyboards are to normal keyboards what audiophiles' gold cables are to normal cables.
Change my mind.
No mere placebo can make me type faster, with fewer keying mistakes, while smelling like a spring rose.
And even if it is just a placebo, it's cheaper than cologne
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@izzion if your "keyboard" smells like a spring rose, you're confusing it with a perfume atomiser.
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@JBert said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@abarker said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said:
fetishists dominate this market
And one couldn't wish for a better market. The fleeced fleece themselves!
$15.99
These are custom cables with special pins that will only work for the Cloud Nine Keyboards.
Note: A standard USB-C cable will not work you will need one of these cables if you want to spread your keyboard out farther.Fuck you, niners, and fuck the cloud you fucked in on.
How far apart do you need the two halves? I'm betting part of the reason the price is so high is because of low demand.
I've got one of these and it being a fairly low demand item + being built in the EU is definitely visible in the price.
If only it didn't have the ridiculous "Ultimate Hacking Keyboard" name...
Pretty sure I saw that one back when I was trying to find a replacement for the Microsoft 4000 I was using. I passed it up because it is a minimal keyboard. Giveme my function keys, numpad, and arrows, dammit!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@JBert What's the Mod key do? Play chiptunes?
It activates customized keybinds.
Edit: And also the remapped arrow keys?
Damn. I never noticed before that the mod and space keys aren't positioned the same on both sides. Talk about confusing your muscle memory!
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@Zecc said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Dragoon said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Get your pitchforks ready, for I have never been a fan of mechanical keyboards.
I'm not opposed to a mechanical keyboard, but I've never felt the need for one either.
But I'm a guy with a cheap mitsai wireless keyboard and a single 1920x1080 monitor, so don't mind me.
I wasn't either until I realized that I needed a new membrane keyboard about every two years.
@remi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@antiquarian said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I think we can all agree that mechanical keyboards are in general a Good Thing™.
Mechanical keyboards are to normal keyboards what audiophiles' gold cables are to normal cables.
Change my mind.
See above.
EDIT: Tied in @remi's post.
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@abarker said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@JBert What's the Mod key do? Play chiptunes?
It activates customized keybinds.
Edit: And also the remapped arrow keys?
Damn. I never noticed before that the mod and space keys aren't positioned the same on both sides. Talk about confusing your muscle memory!
Ah, that's the first thing I changed when I got it. It's fully configurable of course.
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@abarker said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I wasn't either until I realized that I needed a new membrane keyboard about every two years.
That's an argument that comes back regularly, but I find it highly unconvincing. You need to spend $10 every two years, so what? You spend more than that every day on your beverage-of-choice, so it's not the money (how many basic keyboards can you buy with the price of one
goldmechanical keyboard?). It's not the annoyingness of changing it since it's once every two years. It's not the difficulty of finding another one since people who do that pick more or less any random keyboard.And that's in your case where you apparently break your keyboard every two years, in my case I can't remember having broken any keyboard simply through regular use -- broken through e.g. an issue with the plug, or physically cracking the case, yes, but a mechanical keyboard won't help you there. So switching to a mechanical keyboard would prevent an issue that literally never happened to me...
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@remi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@abarker said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I wasn't either until I realized that I needed a new membrane keyboard about every two years.
That's an argument that comes back regularly, but I find it highly unconvincing. You need to spend $10 every two years, so what? You spend more than that every day on your beverage-of-choice, so it's not the money (how many basic keyboards can you buy with the price of one
goldmechanical keyboard?). It's not the annoyingness of changing it since it's once every two years. It's not the difficulty of finding another one since people who do that pick more or less any random keyboard.And that's in your case where you apparently break your keyboard every two years, in my case I can't remember having broken any keyboard simply through regular use -- broken through e.g. an issue with the plug, or physically cracking the case, yes, but a mechanical keyboard won't help you there. So switching to a mechanical keyboard would prevent an issue that literally never happened to me...
I was using the Microsoft Narual Ergonomic 4000 keyboard, which used to run $40, then $60, and now it's availability is questionable. It appears to stil be available (from companies i've never heard of) for $60, but most places are charging at least $130 for it. I've tried other memberane ergonomic keyboards, but none of them helped with my wrist pain the way the MS 4000 did. The Cloud9 I use now cost me $180, so if it lasts 6 years, I'll break even compared to the prices I used to get the MS 4000 for.
That reminds me of another factor that contriuted to my decision to switch to a mechanical keyboard. I have arthritis, and after typing all day using a memberane keyboard, my fingers were stiff and sore. Since mechanical keyboards generally require less pressure and travel to activate, I don't have as many issues at the end of the work day.
Now, if you don't have joint issues and don't have any problems using the cheapest keyboards out there, then you're right, it isn't financialy reasonable. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't make financial sense for other people.
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@remi My full-size keyboards tend to develop wiring faults after a few years, but at the same time my logitech G13 is still going strong after 10 years. And I pray it never breaks because they don't make those anymore (though I think razer produces something similar).
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@remi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@abarker said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I wasn't either until I realized that I needed a new membrane keyboard about every two years.
That's an argument that comes back regularly, but I find it highly unconvincing. You need to spend $10 every two years, so what? You spend more than that every day on your beverage-of-choice, so it's not the money (how many basic keyboards can you buy with the price of one
goldmechanical keyboard?). It's not the annoyingness of changing it since it's once every two years. It's not the difficulty of finding another one since people who do that pick more or less any random keyboard.Both my Model M's were about $8 each at the recycling center. The older one was made in 1989, still working fine
OK, daskeyboard was more like $90. A regular $10 keyboard just feels like fingering lukewarm puke.
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@PleegWat said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
my logitech G13 is still going strong after 10 years. And I pray it never breaks because they don't make those anymore (though I think razer produces something similar).
Nothing Razer produce will last 10 years
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@TimeBandit said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@PleegWat said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
my logitech G13 is still going strong after 10 years. And I pray it never breaks because they don't make those anymore (though I think razer produces something similar).
Nothing Razer produce will last 10 years
I’m going to be very sad when my Orbweaver turns 2 this year, because they discontinued the Orbweaver in favor of the Tartarus, which replaced the button that’s most naturally “index finger low” (think the equivalent of a V or B key on a standard keyboard) with a scroll wheel, and I’m going to lose my third most critical button mapping.
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@remi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
in my case I can't remember having broken any keyboard simply through regular use
Mine just get gunked up. Takes a few years... And being too to clean it, it's easier to buy a new one. (In 30 years, I might be on keyboard #5 now...)
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@LaoC said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Both my Model M's were about $8 each at the recycling center.
At the same recycling centre you can probably get 10's of regular keyboards for the same price.
I remember some sort of computer recycling centre next to my uni, it was pretty fun to browse mountains of discarded and obsolete hardware. I once even found a stack of old CRT monitors coming from when one of the lab was upgraded -- I recognised them because while the identifying sticker on them had been removed, they had spent so long on the login screen that it was burnt in, to the point where I could still read the machine name (and my uni's logo).
A regular $10 keyboard just feels like fingering lukewarm puke.
Ah, yes, nothing beats the "feeling of air and space [...] upon you and [how] you are totally involved in the
musictyping experience." (first hit for "audiophile gold cable review")
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@remi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@LaoC said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Both my Model M's were about $8 each at the recycling center.
At the same recycling centre you can probably get 10's of regular keyboards for the same price.
Apart from the fact that the filthiest places in any office are usually not the shitters but the keyboards, so if you get one from recycling it had better be one you can stick in a dishwasher: would you really use one of those? The ones that make grinding noises when you press a key, sometimes you have to press twice so it registers, and the caps come off?
I remember some sort of computer recycling centre next to my uni, it was pretty fun to browse mountains of discarded and obsolete hardware. I once even found a stack of old CRT monitors coming from when one of the lab was upgraded -- I recognised them because while the identifying sticker on them had been removed, they had spent so long on the login screen that it was burnt in, to the point where I could still read the machine name (and my uni's logo).
A regular $10 keyboard just feels like fingering lukewarm puke.
Ah, yes, nothing beats the "feeling of air and space [...] upon you and [how] you are totally involved in the
musictyping experience." (first hit for "audiophile gold cable review")Sure, you'd probably get similar recognition rates in a double-blind test of mechanical vs. membrane keyboards and of audiophile™ cables vs. power cable from an old toaster, unless you test them with actual humans.
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@remi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Mechanical keyboards are to normal keyboards what audiophiles' gold cables are to normal cables.
Change my mind.
Unlike audiophile cables, I'm pretty sure anyone can easily hear the difference between a mechanical keyboard and a normal keyboard.
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@Zerosquare said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@remi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Mechanical keyboards are to normal keyboards what audiophiles' gold cables are to normal cables.
Change my mind.
Unlike audiophile cables, I'm pretty sure anyone can easily hear the difference between a mechanical keyboard and a normal keyboard.
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The Click and The Furious: Clickety Click
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@abarker said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I was using the Microsoft Narual Ergonomic 4000 keyboard, which used to run $40, then $60, and now it's availability is questionable. It appears to stil be available (from companies i've never heard of) for $60, but most places are charging at least $130 for it.
I've seen listings for $400, hence my "10x MSRP" above. If I'd seen any for $130, I might have gone for it.
none of them helped with my wrist pain the way the MS 4000 did.
after typing all day using a memberane keyboard, my fingers were stiff and sore.
I don't have that problem; it's all about the hand and wrist position for me, so ergo but not necessarily mechanical. But whatever kind of switches it has, it has to have at least decent feel. The ergonomically-shaped-but-with-keys-barely-better-than-a-laptop keyboard I bought doesn't cut it in that regard.
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@HardwareGeek said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@abarker said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I was using the Microsoft Narual Ergonomic 4000 keyboard, which used to run $40, then $60, and now it's availability is questionable. It appears to stil be available (from companies i've never heard of) for $60, but most places are charging at least $130 for it.
I've seen listings for $400, hence my "10x MSRP" above. If I'd seen any for $130, I might have gone for it.
none of them helped with my wrist pain the way the MS 4000 did.
after typing all day using a memberane keyboard, my fingers were stiff and sore.
I don't have that problem; it's all about the hand and wrist position for me, so ergo but not necessarily mechanical. But whatever kind of switches it has, it has to have at least decent feel. The ergonomically-shaped-but-with-keys-barely-better-than-a-laptop keyboard I bought doesn't cut it in that regard.
If you want one more alternative and don't care about keyswitches or backlighting then you could check out the GoldTouch keyboard. Never had one because you can't fully split it or configure it, but I read some OK reviews about it. Doesn't have a numpad attached, but that might be because the designer proposes putting your mouse to the right of the keyboard, then placing a seperate numpad to the right of that.
Speaking about this, one of the cheapest and best tricks I use to avoid mouse strain is to put the mouse to the left of a regular keyboard. I find that if I use a symmetrical mouse model and flip the buttons around that I can use the mouse with nearly no mental adjustment (there have been studies that the brain maps actions to index finger, middle finger and so on, but doesn't care so much whether it's the left or right one).
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@JBert said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Speaking about this, one of the cheapest and best tricks I use to avoid mouse strain is to put the mouse to the left of a regular keyboard. I find that if I use a symmetrical mouse model and flip the buttons around that I can use the mouse with nearly no mental adjustment (there have been studies that the brain maps actions to index finger, middle finger and so on, but doesn't care so much whether it's the left or right one).
I'm left-handed but fairly ambidextrous, so I generally switch back and forth between using my right and left hands. But I also use ergonomic mice when I can, and they're very far from symmetrical and almost impossible to use with the other hand, so I use a right-handed mouse with my desktop and left-handed with work laptop, or vice versa. Right now, it's vice versa, because wired/wireless overrules more convenient handedness. Either way, I switch hands often, and that does help. But when I do use a symmetrical mouse, I don't swap the buttons. I'm so accustomed to using a right-handed mouse with my left hand, and it's another thing I have to change if I'm swapping back and forth frequently, so I don't bother. OTOH, the actual left-handed ergo mouse I use now has the buttons physically swapped (i.e., logical LMB is physically the right button), so, well, I'm just very accustomed to clicking the wrong button (and these days, working from home with work and personal computers side by side, the wrong mouse), no matter which mouse or which hand I'm using.
Also, I discovered at some point that when working with paint or other programs requiring very high precision, zooming way in so that I can use less precise mouse movements is less stressful on hands/wrists than trying to drag with single-pixel precision for long periods of time.
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@abarker said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said:
fetishists dominate this market
And one couldn't wish for a better market. The fleeced fleece themselves!
$15.99
These are custom cables with special pins that will only work for the Cloud Nine Keyboards.
Note: A standard USB-C cable will not work you will need one of these cables if you want to spread your keyboard out farther.Fuck you, niners, and fuck the cloud you fucked in on.
How far apart do you need the two halves? I'm betting part of the reason the price is so high is because of low demand.
It wouldn't be an issue at all if they just used standard USBC
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@JBert What's the Mod key do?
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@boomzilla Hell, no. At most i Will Pay 5 bucks...
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@HardwareGeek said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@JBert said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Speaking about this, one of the cheapest and best tricks I use to avoid mouse strain is to put the mouse to the left of a regular keyboard. I find that if I use a symmetrical mouse model and flip the buttons around that I can use the mouse with nearly no mental adjustment (there have been studies that the brain maps actions to index finger, middle finger and so on, but doesn't care so much whether it's the left or right one).
I'm left-handed but fairly ambidextrous, so I generally switch back and forth between using my right and left hands. But I also use ergonomic mice when I can, and they're very far from symmetrical and almost impossible to use with the other hand, so I use a right-handed mouse with my desktop and left-handed with work laptop, or vice versa. Right now, it's vice versa, because wired/wireless overrules more convenient handedness. Either way, I switch hands often, and that does help. But when I do use a symmetrical mouse, I don't swap the buttons. I'm so accustomed to using a right-handed mouse with my left hand, and it's another thing I have to change if I'm swapping back and forth frequently, so I don't bother. OTOH, the actual left-handed ergo mouse I use now has the buttons physically swapped (i.e., logical LMB is physically the right button), so, well, I'm just very accustomed to clicking the wrong button (and these days, working from home with work and personal computers side by side, the wrong mouse), no matter which mouse or which hand I'm using.
Also, I discovered at some point that when working with paint or other programs requiring very high precision, zooming way in so that I can use less precise mouse movements is less stressful on hands/wrists than trying to drag with single-pixel precision for long periods of time.
I'm left-handed but always moused right-handed, though on a laptop I use my left for a touchpad. I do have an extra num-pad to the left. It was primarily so I could have an enter key to the left but having the numbers spreads the work better between the left and the right hands.
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@Karla said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
spreads the work better between the left and the right hands
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@Karla said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I'm left-handed but always moused right-handed,
Me too, until I started having wrist pain. I learned to use a mouse on a computer that was set up for the right-handed majority, so like a few other things I originally learned to do right-handed, it feels completely natural to me.
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@HardwareGeek said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Karla said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I'm left-handed but always moused right-handed,
Me too, until I started having wrist pain. I learned to use a mouse on a computer that was set up for the right-handed majority, so like a few other things I originally learned to do right-handed, it feels completely natural to me.
I use a trackball. Trying to find a wired one is pain since Logitech stopped making them.
I have this now:
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@Karla said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I use a trackball.
I tried to use one of those. I didn't last long - my thumb said "Lose it or I'm leaving". I did use one where the ball was in middle. When it died, they had stopped making them - everyone going to the style you have.
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@dcon said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Karla said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I use a trackball.
I tried to use one of those. I didn't last long - my thumb said "Lose it or I'm leaving". I did use one where the ball was in middle. When it died, they had stopped making them - everyone going to the style you have.
Yes, there are literally dozens of people who like trackballs. DOZENS I tell you!
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@Karla said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I have this now:
Status: Looking at balls on Amazon...
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@LaoC said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@remi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@LaoC said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Both my Model M's were about $8 each at the recycling center.
At the same recycling centre you can probably get 10's of regular keyboards for the same price.
Apart from the fact that the filthiest places in any office are usually not the shitters but the keyboards, so if you get one from recycling it had better be one you can stick in a dishwasher: would you really use one of those? The ones that make grinding noises when you press a key, sometimes you have to press twice so it registers, and the caps come off?
That's a good point, your Model M's from the recycling centre are probably so disgusting that you'd rather buy a proper new keyboard for $8 instead.
Sure, you'd probably get similar recognition rates in a double-blind test of mechanical vs. membrane keyboards and of audiophile™ cables vs. power cable from an old toaster, unless you test them with actual humans.
So, no difference when testing with average developers.
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Regarding the monitor discussion: I am upgrading from a 2 monitor 2 computer setup to a 3 monitor 3 computer setup. That’s how you do it, right?
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@Atazhaia said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Regarding the monitor discussion: I am upgrading from a 2 monitor 2 computer setup to a 3 monitor 3 computer setup. That’s how you do it, right?
I had that once. But not how you think...
- Computer 1: 2 monitors
- Computer 2: 1 monitor
- Computer 3: 0 monitors (login via remote access on Computer1/Monitor2)
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@Dragoon said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@dcon said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Karla said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I use a trackball.
I tried to use one of those. I didn't last long - my thumb said "Lose it or I'm leaving". I did use one where the ball was in middle. When it died, they had stopped making them - everyone going to the style you have.
Yes, there are literally dozens of people who like trackballs. DOZENS I tell you!
Having tried various types of mice and trackballs over the years, I find touchpads best for non-gaming uses. My wrists certainly think they're best. And the best trackpads are definitely in the Macbook Pro, and that's the real reason I prefer them for work.
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@dkf said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I find touchpads best for non-gaming uses.
Generally, I find the MS (large) ergo mice are the best. I'm also using a Kensington ProFit Full Size mouse that I really like. I like the large size because I can just rest my hand on them.
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@dkf doing art or anything what requires clicking and dragging with precision sucks on a trackpad.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
doing art
That's so not me anyway. The only things I can really draw are diagrams and conclusions.
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@dcon said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@dkf said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I find touchpads best for non-gaming uses.
Generally, I find the MS (large) ergo mice are the best. I'm also using a Kensington ProFit Full Size mouse that I really like. I like the large size because I can just rest my hand on them.
Logitech TrackMan Marble FX FTW
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@dkf said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
draw ... conclusions.
I usually jump
The conclusions never had a chance...
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@dkf said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
draw ... conclusions.
I usually jump
E_SHARK_IS_NOT_A_FISH
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@Zerosquare said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@dkf said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
draw ... conclusions.
I usually jump
E_SHARK_IS_NOT_A_FISH
E_SHARK_IS_TOO_A_FISH_BUT_FISH_DEPICTED_IS_NOT_SHARK
Such a useful onebox.
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