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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Try using it for a while actually, see how that goes.
Looked like this before:
Looks like this now:
What's the big deal?
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They're already removing those prefs (as part of the normal process of rolling out something behind a pref, enable it for everyone then remove the old code)
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@loopback0 I think it becoming larger is butt ugly. The suggestions cover the page content below it even in cases where I have only focused the urlbar to copy the url for example. It covers the bookmarks toolbar too if I have it enabled (which I have).
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I explained that above over several posts, and I can't be bothered to explain it again. Go back and read it if you can't figure out the differences for yourself.
I can see the differences. But I'm not sure why they're an actual issue, other than just because it's changed?
@marczellm said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I think it becoming larger is butt ugly.
Looks no worse than it did before.
@marczellm said in DEAR FIREFOX:
The suggestions cover the page content below
And? If I'm doing something with the URL bar, I'm not focusing on the content.
@marczellm said in DEAR FIREFOX:
It covers the bookmarks toolbar too if I have it enabled (which I have).
I don't but so? Do you need the bookmarks bar while using the URL bar?
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
how many people has bothered to disable it.
I'm just too . I used to customize all sorts of things (windows colors, sounds, etc.). Fuck that, it's just not worth the time. As long as something does what I need without actively getting in my way, I'll just stick with defaults.
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@loopback0 The problem with the larger address bar is that at least in my Linux PC it bleeds into the tabs are the bookmarks bar in an awkward fashion and feels really amateurish.
Not annoying enough for me to turn it off though.
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sneers in Waterfox
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@loopback0 said in DEAR FIREFOX:
other than just because it's changed
xkcd: It breaks someone's workflow (no, I'm not going to link or invoke the bot)
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@Parody said in DEAR FIREFOX:
These settings may not remain, though. :(
They've already been removed.
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@dcon said in DEAR FIREFOX:
xkcd: It breaks someone's workflow (no, I'm not going to link or invoke the bot)
@error_bot xkcd worflow
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rofls in Pale moon + Pentadactyl
(The actual hard bit is getting all those "old" extensions now that Mozilla has cleaned up their plugin registry)
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I wonder what kind of idiots participate in usability studies... (provided they even have those).
FF's most sophisticated user:
Security gets in the way of watching Grumpy Cat videos.The link to the old imgur meme image is broken, so copied the un-memed picture from the PDF.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
So a child control (textbox) becoming larger than parent control (toolbar) thus getting out of its bounds and also becoming 3D due to drop shadow all around it on an otherwise totally flat UI doesn't jump in your face screaming "LOOOOK AAAAAAAAT MEEEEEEEE!!!" like a proper attention seeking whore?
Then you are fucking blind.No I'm just not the sort of person who gets completely distracted by things like squiggles in VS.
@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Just focusing the url bar (without any text entry) now opens search dropdown with 10 rows of suggestions based on your top sites.
8 rows. So?
@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
So If I just wanted to copy the url, now I also have to dismiss this search dropdown each time.
What? No? I just copy the URL and it goes away.
Right click, search dropdown already gone.
If I use Ctrl+C it goes away as soon as I focus literally anything else, which I'd be doing anyway.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Simple and sensible. Opt-in, instead of opt-out. Choice .vs. forced.
Yes, that one was optional although Dark Mode is the obvious choice. But they make plenty of less optional UI updates.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
That's because you are using mouse to copy/paste, you idiot. Not everyone does things your way. That's why there are those things called OPTIONS so everyone can choose what they like. Why is that so hard to understand?
Why can't you read? I literally provided the results of two options for copying it in my post. Idiot.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
There is also another issue -- now when you press Alt+D to get to URL bar it automatically expands search suggestions! If you just wanted to copy the URL now you also have to hit Esc to dismiss that. For fuck sake...
Hm... I press Alt-D to get to the URL bar, it brings up the search suggestions and all that, but the text in the field is selected and if I want to copy the URL I just hit control-C as usual and it's copied. If I want to dismiss the popup I'd be pressing Esc, but if I went to the URL bar to copy the URL I'd probably be shifting focus somewhere else anyway (to, say, paste the URL I just copied) and the popup closes when I do that.
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@Watson said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Hm... I press Alt-D to get to the URL bar, it brings up the search suggestions and all that, but the text in the field is selected and if I want to copy the URL I just hit control-C as usual and it's copied. If I want to dismiss the popup I'd be pressing Esc, but if I went to the URL bar to copy the URL I'd probably be shifting focus somewhere else anyway (to, say, paste the URL I just copied) and the popup closes when I do that.
He's not interested in a discussion, just arguing about how Firefox made changes he didn't like.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
This is change for the sake of change, Nobody here offered good reasons why it was necessary, everyone is asking "why do you hate change?" instead. Give me a reason not to hate it then.
There are two kinds of fools: one says, "This is old, therefore it is good"; the other says, "This is new, therefore it is better."
-- William Ralph Inge
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I would never bitch about any "choice" if it was actually a CHOICE to begin with (as in: option which I can toggle on/off).
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Without focus:
Focused search bar:
Focused address bar:
Native focus:
So yes, I see it, it looks fucking stupid.
But it's really not a big deal, certainly not enough for me to go reddit-crazy and switch to a browser from Skynet or to a one-man fork of Firefox 24. It's really more of an intentional UI bite, at most.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
This is change for the sake of change, Nobody here offered good reasons why it was necessary, everyone is asking "why do you hate change?" instead. Give me a reason not to hate it then.
There are two kinds of fools: one says, "This is old, therefore it is good"; the other says, "This is new, therefore it is better."
-- William Ralph IngeAnd, of course, the corollary: This is new, therefore it is worse.
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I've just found myself pressing Esc repeatedly, thinking "how the heck did I just make the address bar hang?"
Turns out I didn't make it hang.
I just instinctively expected the popup to go away after pressing Esc."The popup", mind you, being not the actual popup with suggestions, but just the enlarged text input while the focus remains there.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I explained that above over several posts, and I can't be bothered to explain it againDe gustibus non est disputandum..
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
As long as everyone has a choice I agree.
Now we really are getting back to Raymond's point.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in DEAR FIREFOX:
There are two kinds of fools: one says, "This is old, therefore it is good"; the other says, "This is new, therefore it is better."
-- William Ralph IngeI remember John Brunner saying that in one of his novels.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
What is the rationale behind changing it? Give one good reason to turn consistent UI element into inconsistent UI element.
At first I was thinking it was supposed to be a Material Design thing, but no, not even those textboxes do that...
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
totally flat UI
Perhaps if it wasn't so flat it wouldn't need to
@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
jump in your face screaming "LOOOOK AAAAAAAAT MEEEEEEEE!!!" like a proper attention seeking whore?
... You should yell at those flat-chested fuckers.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
he visual part is horrible because it breaks users' expectations about textbox control focus behavior. For example, why is this one popping out when it has focus, but the search textbox right next to it doesn't? Why textbox entries on webpages do not pop out as well?
Excellent question! All controls should do this!
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@Watson said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
There is also another issue -- now when you press Alt+D to get to URL bar it automatically expands search suggestions! If you just wanted to copy the URL now you also have to hit Esc to dismiss that. For fuck sake...
Hm... I press Alt-D to get to the URL bar, it brings up the search suggestions and all that, but the text in the field is selected and if I want to copy the URL I just hit control-C as usual and it's copied. If I want to dismiss the popup I'd be pressing Esc, but if I went to the URL bar to copy the URL I'd probably be shifting focus somewhere else anyway (to, say, paste the URL I just copied) and the popup closes when I do that.
No no no, obviously if you click on the addressbar you're more interested in clicking the Bookmarks button.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Sooo... no good reason then? Unless you consider "because, fuck you" a good readon to shit over working UI.
I think they're trying to emulate game consoles. Does XBone do something similar?
Someone just has a hotshot designer trying to make waves.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Someone just has a hotshot designer trying to make waves.
The best way to make waves with hotshot designers is to toss them into a pool full of piranhas.
I hear that's a good source of entropy as well.
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my favorite new feature of the new URL bar:
they couldn't decide whether to put the search results before or after the URL you're actually trying to get to, so they put it equally on both sides because they're Stan Kelly-Bootle or something
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@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I think they're trying to emulate game consoles.
It's a half-assed emulation of what Chrome supposedly does (don't have Chrome, so can't compare).
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@marczellm said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I think they're trying to emulate game consoles.
It's a half-assed emulation of what Chrome supposedly does (don't have Chrome, so can't compare).
Well then I’m glad it’s not a full-assed emulation.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Someone just has a hotshot designer trying to make waves.
The best way to make waves with hotshot designers is to toss them into a pool full of piranhas.
I hear that's a good source of entropy as well.
Chaotic good, yes.
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@marczellm said in DEAR FIREFOX:
@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I think they're trying to emulate game consoles.
It's a half-assed emulation of what Chrome supposedly does (don't have Chrome, so can't compare).
I don't know, my addressbar (in Chrome) does not enbiggen itself and drop down results just because I clicked it...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Someone just has a hotshot designer trying to
make wavesstay employed."If I don't radically change the UI, they'll fire me!"
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@dcon sometimes I feel the same goes for lots of people.
- Nothing really needs to change.
- Unless I do something visible, boss will think I'm not doing anything and I'll get fired.
- This is something visible.
- I'll do this (even though it doesn't really need it and it's probably a bad idea).
The education training system is full of these fads that circulate because "use the old, well studied methods" doesn't bring in grant money or get tenure.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in DEAR FIREFOX:
I don't know, my addressbar (in Chrome) does not enbiggen itself and drop down results just because I clicked it...
that's the other half of the ass, yes. because it does enbiggen and drop down as soon as you start typing.
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Stop talking about asses please, you are making me horny.
status: seems @levicki wants fucking assholes...
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@Tsaukpaetra
He should go and find some on Instagram then
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@levicki said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Stop talking about asses please, you are making me horny.
Not judging.
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@ben_lubar said in DEAR FIREFOX:
my favorite new feature of the new URL bar:
they couldn't decide whether to put the search results before or after the URL you're actually trying to get to, so they put it equally on both sides because they're Stan Kelly-Bootle or something
At least you can disable that in the settings. The default is for some reason "show search results before history". I went a step further and disabled search results in address bar completely.
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@Atazhaia I actually depend on the auto-search results quite a bit. Especially when google can tell me the answer without having to actually search.
For instance, I'm teaching about stoichiometry right now. Lots of calculating molar masses, which are a constant for each substance. So I can just start typing
CaCl2 molar mass
into the bar and by the time I get to "mas", it's got a result for me already in the bar and I don't have to actually hit enter.That or checking spelling/exact wording due to the fuzzy search. I look at what the similar searches are and that's usually one of the ones I want.
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Looks like Mozilla finally hired someone who's got a clue about PR. Firefox' latest version uses a video of cute red pandas to demonstrate the Picture-in-Picture feature.
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Dammit Firefox. When I close the browser with 12 tabs open, I expect 12 tabs to come back to the url they were pointing to. About 10% of the time, the first tab comes back as a blank one. Look. I know everyone on Ubuntu hates Microsoft and Outlook, but that's the email client we use. So reopen the fucking tab every time, will ya?
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@dcon said in DEAR FIREFOX:
Dammit Firefox. When I close the browser with 12 tabs open, I expect 12 tabs to come back to the url they were pointing to. About 10% of the time, the first tab comes back as a blank one. Look. I know everyone on Ubuntu hates Microsoft and Outlook, but that's the email client we use. So reopen the fucking tab every time, will ya?
For a long while, the FreeBSD builds of FF would complain that they couldn't restore my tabs, but restore them anyway.
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Since switching to Firefox from a Chrome-ish browser on my desktop, I've been irked by a couple things:
- opening too many tabs completely kills any responsiveness in the entire browser
- videos lag and stutter all the time
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@hungrier Just wait until a tab gets stuck on some script and freezes the whole browser.