EU Copyright Directive/Article 13
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@anonymous234 said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
Good news everyone
Awesome!
MEPs have voted to reject a controversial copyright law in its current form, deciding to return to the issue in September.
...oh.
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@masonwheeler I hope the next sequel will use proper numeration this time. There's been way too many "ACTA 2"s recently.
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@heterodox said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@lorne-kates said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
............. go to Google Images and enter [your first name] the hedgehog
(where [your first name] is your actual first name, you literal femur-fucker)Okay, did it.
... Now what?
That first result is someone's "OC do not steeel" hedgehog character they drew. You can do almost any name and get a different character. They probably also want to fuck that character. (The many instances of the character being pregnant are also and indication).
That first result is now your official Sonic persona. Congratulations on your new crayon-being.
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@masonwheeler said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
...oh.
That was exactly my first thought when I saw the headline.
The motive de jour is "Copyright lobbyist pay off a bunch of politicians to introduce an insane new law. Everyone goes nuts and burns all their political-activism capital fighting it. Since there's no concept of double jeopardy, the copyright lobbyists just pay again to immediately re-introduce the law with a slight tweak. Whoever isn't burnt out goes nuts and fights it. Repeat until apathy wins, and the copyright lobbyist get to buy their new law."
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@lorne-kates said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
The many instances of the character being pregnant are also and indication
Isn't Lorne a male name?
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@lorne-kates said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@masonwheeler said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
...oh.
That was exactly my first thought when I saw the headline.
The motive de jour is "Copyright lobbyist pay off a bunch of politicians to introduce an insane new law. Everyone goes nuts and burns all their political-activism capital fighting it. Since there's no concept of double jeopardy, the copyright lobbyists just pay again to immediately re-introduce the law with a slight tweak. Whoever isn't burnt out goes nuts and fights it. Repeat until apathy wins, and the copyright lobbyist get to buy their new law."
But the moment they'll actually ban linking stuff around, we'll have a bloody revolution. People can only be apathetic to things that don't affect them, like elections and deposit interest rates.
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@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@lorne-kates said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@masonwheeler said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
...oh.
That was exactly my first thought when I saw the headline.
The motive de jour is "Copyright lobbyist pay off a bunch of politicians to introduce an insane new law. Everyone goes nuts and burns all their political-activism capital fighting it. Since there's no concept of double jeopardy, the copyright lobbyists just pay again to immediately re-introduce the law with a slight tweak. Whoever isn't burnt out goes nuts and fights it. Repeat until apathy wins, and the copyright lobbyist get to buy their new law."
But the moment they'll actually ban linking stuff around, we'll have a bloody revolution. People can only be apathetic to things that don't affect them, like elections and deposit interest rates.
Be realistic. I can be apathetic to ANY NUMBER of things. Whether or not they affect me has no say in the matter.
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@e4tmyl33t said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@lorne-kates said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@masonwheeler said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
...oh.
That was exactly my first thought when I saw the headline.
The motive de jour is "Copyright lobbyist pay off a bunch of politicians to introduce an insane new law. Everyone goes nuts and burns all their political-activism capital fighting it. Since there's no concept of double jeopardy, the copyright lobbyists just pay again to immediately re-introduce the law with a slight tweak. Whoever isn't burnt out goes nuts and fights it. Repeat until apathy wins, and the copyright lobbyist get to buy their new law."
But the moment they'll actually ban linking stuff around, we'll have a bloody revolution. People can only be apathetic to things that don't affect them, like elections and deposit interest rates.
Be realistic. I can be apathetic to ANY NUMBER of things. Whether or not they affect me has no say in the matter.
That's the weirdest thing about sociology - some statements aren't true for individual people, but are completely true for whole populations.
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@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@lorne-kates said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
The many instances of the character being pregnant are also and indication
Isn't Lorne a male name?
......
you've never experienced the Sonic the Hedgehog fandom, have you?
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@lorne-kates and I'm glad I didn't.
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@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
But the moment they'll actually ban linking stuff around, we'll have a bloody revolution. People can only be apathetic to things that don't affect them, like elections and deposit interest rates.
Links? You don't need (external) links if you think Facebook is the Internet. Only the nerds understand what open internet actually means.
Apathy can easily win this one.
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@topspin a big share of Facebook posts are external links.
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@gąska Facebook is trying to get all of that on their platform, so you can read "news" and articles on there.
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@topspin right now, they're like 2% done. At most.
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@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@lorne-kates said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@masonwheeler said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
...oh.
That was exactly my first thought when I saw the headline.
The motive de jour is "Copyright lobbyist pay off a bunch of politicians to introduce an insane new law. Everyone goes nuts and burns all their political-activism capital fighting it. Since there's no concept of double jeopardy, the copyright lobbyists just pay again to immediately re-introduce the law with a slight tweak. Whoever isn't burnt out goes nuts and fights it. Repeat until apathy wins, and the copyright lobbyist get to buy their new law."
But the moment they'll actually ban linking stuff around, we'll have a bloody revolution. People can only be apathetic to things that don't affect them, like elections and deposit interest rates.
The trouble is that they've added a line in Article 11 which says "this section does not apply for hyperlinking" so it doesn't outright ban it.
But that's all which is there as an exception, so what about one-boxing? What about copying just the headline to describe a plain link? What about giving even slightly more context?
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@jbert does it make internet significantly worse than what it is now? Then there'll be bloody revolution.
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@gąska I'd like to have your optimism.
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@bulb bloody revolution is the WORST variant.
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@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@bulb bloody revolution is the WORST variant.
Not so much if the revolution takes place in Brussels.
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@hardwaregeek said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@bulb bloody revolution is the WORST variant.
Not so much if the revolution takes place in Brussels.
If it starts in Germany would it be the WURST variant?
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@pie_flavor said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@lorne-kates That's the thing - that's how the web used to work. But according to article 13 that won't be valid any longer.
Time to get the B-52s warmed up, I guess.
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@anonymous234 said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
Good news everyone
Eh, it's a mixed bag. I really wanted the Europeans to get themselves banned from the entire rest of the internet. That would have been some funny shit.
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@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@lorne-kates said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
The many instances of the character being pregnant are also and indication
Isn't Lorne a male name?
Not really.
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@e4tmyl33t said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@hardwaregeek said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@bulb bloody revolution is the WORST variant.
Not so much if the revolution takes place in Brussels.
If it starts in Germany would it be the WURST variant?
Possibly. It will certainly make the Jews nervous.
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@boomzilla said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@pie_flavor said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@lorne-kates That's the thing - that's how the web used to work. But according to article 13 that won't be valid any longer.
Time to get the B-52s warmed up, I guess.
No thank you.
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@polygeekery said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@boomzilla said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@pie_flavor said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@lorne-kates That's the thing - that's how the web used to work. But according to article 13 that won't be valid any longer.
Time to get the B-52s warmed up, I guess.
No thank you.
I knew someone would go there.
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@boomzilla said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@pie_flavor said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@lorne-kates That's the thing - that's how the web used to work. But according to article 13 that won't be valid any longer.
Time to get the B-52s warmed up, I guess.
Why? It doesn't affect us.
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@pie_flavor I think we're past that sort of namby pamby hair splitting.
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@boomzilla Not really. Why tell them to stop when it's much funnier if they don't?
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@polygeekery
Would be a lot better with only the Afro lady dancing
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@pie_flavor said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@boomzilla Not really. Why tell them to stop when it's much funnier if they don't?
Umm, actually, I was advocating bombing them.
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@boomzilla said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@pie_flavor said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@boomzilla Not really. Why tell them to stop when it's much funnier if they don't?
Umm, actually, I was advocating bombing them.
Missiles are quicker. Everyone always wants us to reduce our stockpile. This is one way we could do that.
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@polygeekery
It doesn't count as burning my house down
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@luhmann said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@polygeekery
Would be a lot better with only the Afro lady dancingGot a bit of the jungle fever, eh?
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@luhmann said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@polygeekery
It doesn't count as burning my house downClose enough. Let's not quibble over details.
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@polygeekery
You can take the jungle out of me but you can never get the jungle out of my house
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@luhmann I think that with enough fire, you'll find that you can indeed take the jungle out if it. :)
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@erufael
Since there would be no more me, house, jungle cat or kitten I don't see why I would care
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@luhmann said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@polygeekery
You can take the jungle out of me but you can never get the jungle out of my houseShe refused to leave, eh? Squatter's Rights?
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It ... it's not even mine ... I'm the squatter.
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@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@topspin a big share of Facebook posts are
external linksa preview / summary of the linked content that Facebook scraped and stole from the linked site, ensuring that people 80% of people will only glance at it and never follow-- thus increasing the linked site's bandwidth usage, but decreasing their clickthrough rates. Oh and also it isn't a link to the site, it's a link to a Facebook shortened-URL so FB can further track your activities and collect more revenue off your back. Chances are that data is also going to be used to further tweak how much scraped data to present to keep you from actually clicking away from Facebook because YOUR EYEBALLS ARE THEIRS.FB'd that for you
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@lorne-kates ...when you put it like that, suddenly this whole Article 13 thing became much more sensible.
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@gąska why? That's article 11.
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@pie_flavor I thought it's 13 because everyone's protesting 13. I don't really care about numbering, but whatever article it is, it's not as bad as I first thought. At the very least, it had good intentions.
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@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
At the very least, it had good intentions.
The road to hell is paved with those, you know.
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@gąska said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@pie_flavor I thought it's 13 because everyone's protesting 13. I don't really care about numbering, but whatever article it is, it's not as bad as I first thought. At the very least, it had good intentions.
Nope, article 13 is about censorship AI. Think a system like ContentId for most of the Web (at least for those sites rich enough to pay somebody to do it for them or to put a flock of hyperactive data scientists on their payroll), and everybody who doesn't want to deal with such a thing would either have to make their site read-only or somehow make it unavailable in Europe. But again, it won't hurt a bit!
Article 11 is about links and making quoting illegal without a license. As if this law would work: if anybody tries to haggle for a license with Facebook or Google then these big player would just hide and bury the haggler. No, they're very likely to go after small fish who don't have the clout and legal budget to fight back, and then try to get licenses for content used in old articles to up their budget, "Nice website you have there, shame if something were to happen to it" style.
EDIT: In a nutshell: good intentions for those few poor but famous artists and newspaper conglomerates, bad news for everyone else.
EDIT EDIT: Of course this is the CliffsNotes version, the whole text is more nuanced than that. But do keep in mind that it opens the door to abuse for profit whereas the people who were expected to gain from it might still have barriers keeping them from getting what they're owed. It's trying to solve a people problem with a tool / law, and anyone becomes a suspect.
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@jbert said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
Article 11 is about links and making quoting illegal without a license.
Which violates the first amendment's right to a free press, so good luck getting the US government to go along with you.
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