EU Copyright Directive/Article 13
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Snippet from the proposed article:
Information society service providers that store and provide to the public access to large amounts of works or other subject-matter uploaded by their users shall, in cooperation with rightholders, take measures to ensure the functioning of agreements concluded with rightholders for the use of their works or other subject-matter or to prevent the availability on their services of works or other subject-matter identified by rightholders through the cooperation with the service providers.
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I worry that this will effectively require sites to use automated copyright strike systems, forcing smaller sites out operation and strengthening Google/Warner/UMG/etc's control over the internet.
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@bb36e Being it's an EU directive, I'm guessing "large amounts" is never defined anywhere.
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The European Parliament's Committee on Legal Affairs voted by 15 votes to 10 to adopt Article 13 and by 13 votes to 12 to adopt Article 11.
It will now go to the wider European Parliament to vote on in July.
Based on my ignorant American understanding of this law, if article 13 is voted in, Alex/Ben could theoretically be held liable for copyright infringement because of the snippet I posted above.
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@bb36e said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
Based on my ignorant American understanding of this law, if article 13 is voted in, Alex/Ben could theoretically be held liable for copyright infringement because of the snippet I posted above.
Super mode: not exactly, but he could theoretically be held liable for something very similar.
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15 MEPs (out of 25) voted in favor of article 13. This is just a committee, it still has to pass the proper parliament vote.
Party name and shame (from this and this):
- 7 conservatives (EPP), out of 7
- 2 liberals (ALDE) (that's the classical meaning of liberal, not "left winger"), out of 2
- 2 Euroskeptic right-wing populists (ENF) out of 2
- 1 Euroskeptic conservative (ECR), out of 2
- 1 (Slightly less) Euroskeptic right-wing populist (EFDD), out of 2
- 2 progressives (S&D), out of 6
- 0 "greens" (Greens/EFA), out of 2
- 0 socialists/quasi-communists, out of 2
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This is the dumbest thing imaginable. I hope it goes through so I can laugh at all my European friends as they get blocked from every site on the internet.
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@pie_flavor said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
This is the dumbest thing imaginable. I hope it goes through so I can laugh at all my European friends as they get blocked from every site on the internet.
The "fun" part is that Germany already implemented a variant of this (ineffectual) law. Which all the small players ignore because nobody cares about them while the big players like Google simply say: "Okay, we'll remove the content of those who care about this completely." (upon which said companies which cared about this suddenly exempted Google).
This was done due to the lobbying of a number of (conservative) newspapers.
Everyone else told them that it would be a bad and ineffectual idea which it unsurprisingly turned out to be. I'm not aware of a single court case because of this law.
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@rhywden They passed the link tax in Spain too. After which Google just shut down Google News in Spain entirely.
They actually made it so that newspapers can NOT opt out of receiving their "link money". As in, I'm not allowed to provide this service to everyone for free, because they had seen in other countries that then the newspapers that did that would immediately drive out the competition.
Same government that gave us a tax on solar energy, and made it illegal to film the police in public. And recently got kicked out in a no-confidence motion by the other parties after a major corruption case. All-around nice people.
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@blakeyrat said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@bb36e Being it's an EU directive, I'm guessing "large amounts" is never defined anywhere.
It will be fine. They consulted Justice Potter Stewart about it.
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@anonymous234 this entire planet is a shithole
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They try to control that which they do not understand.
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@pie_flavor Not sure if that'd be funny, but I do hope google strong-arms them on this one. Anyone who thinks snippets can be copyrighted gets delisted. You want to get paid for free advertisement?! Bam, there goes your business. Fuck right off.
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Note those last two votes from France, as Lebreton and Boutonnet are both members of the French National Front party, the same party whose leader, Marine Le Pen, has been out and about screaming about how unfair it is that the party's YouTube channel was deleted by automatic copyright filters -- the same filters that her own party just voted to make mandatory for all platforms.
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@dcon Also interesting that euroskeptic parties want the EU to adopt one of the most intrusive pieces of legislation they've ever made.
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@anonymous234 they want a damn good excuse for selling an exit strategy to their country.
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Guess this means IFramely's business plan just got shot to hell.
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@julianlam Damn, and they'd just gotten quoted tweets to work.
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@pie_flavor said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
This is the dumbest thing imaginable. I hope it goes through so I can laugh at all my European friends as they get blocked from every site on the internet.
I'm so glad I've got a decent proxy setup.
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Just found this official FAQ in the marketing bullshit of this new directive:
Everything's just fine and smells of roses, don't worry about it...
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@jbert ... who pays for marketing EU Directives?
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@blakeyrat said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@jbert ... who pays for marketing EU Directives?
Why, The People, of course.
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@blakeyrat said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@jbert ... who pays for marketing EU Directives?
The same people who pay for the whole EU Parliament to move from Brussels to Strasbourg for four days of every month.
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@bb36e said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
Based on my ignorant American understanding of this law, if article 13 is voted in, Alex/Ben could theoretically be held liable for copyright infringement because of the snippet I posted above.
So basically this law makes the following types of websites illegal in Europe:
- Social networking
- Webmail clients
- Chat websites
- Streaming websites
- Search engines
- File sharing
- Forums
- Wikis
I glanced at the top 500 sites, and the only sites that will remain allowed on the internet with this rule are shopping websites. And even then, if they accidentally upload a copyrighted image, they're gone.
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@ben_lubar Except, of course, if they have automated copyright detection systems.
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@pie_flavor said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@ben_lubar Except, of course, if they have automated copyright detection systems.
Here's my automatic copyright detection system.
It's on the "Create An Account" form.
"By using this site, you acknowledge that you, like, won't upload copyright stuffs, okay?"
I've done my part. If the rights holders want to try to manually review individual uploads, they can send (for each instance they want to review) a hand-written request with a self-addressed stamped envelope. I'll reply within 45 business days. The reply will be a photocopy of a photo of a print-out of the above agreement (on a wooden table). Because my users agreed they wouldn't upload copyright stuffs, so anything they upload, de facto, isn't a violation of anyone's copyright. No infraction, thanks for writing.
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@lorne-kates said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@pie_flavor said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@ben_lubar Except, of course, if they have automated copyright detection systems.
Here's my automatic copyright detection system.
It's on the "Create An Account" form.
"By using this site, you acknowledge that you, like, won't upload copyright stuffs, okay?"
I've done my part. If the rights holders want to try to manually review individual uploads, they can send (for each instance they want to review) a hand-written request with a self-addressed stamped envelope. I'll reply within 45 business days. The reply will be a photocopy of a photo of a print-out of the above agreement (on a wooden table). Because my users agreed they wouldn't upload copyright stuffs, so anything they upload, de facto, isn't a violation of anyone's copyright. No infraction, thanks for writing.
Just add "no copyright intended" to the title tag of each page
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@lorne-kates That's the thing - that's how the web used to work. But according to article 13 that won't be valid any longer.
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@ben_lubar This protection is stronger if the user indicates that their material is "original content do not steal"
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@bulb @masonwheeler spotted
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@hungrier said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@ben_lubar This protection is stronger if the user indicates that their material is "original content do not steal"
............. go to Google Images and enter
[your first name] the hedgehog
(where [your first name] is your actual first name, you literal femur-fucker)
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Wikipedia’s Italian and Spanish language versions [as well as Polish version] have temporarily shut off access to their respective versions of the free online encyclopedia in Europe to protest against controversial components of a copyright reform package ahead of a key vote in the EU parliament tomorrow.
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@lorne-kates said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
............. go to Google Images and enter [your first name] the hedgehog
(where [your first name] is your actual first name, you literal femur-fucker)Okay, did it.
... Now what?
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@heterodox said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
@lorne-kates said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
............. go to Google Images and enter [your first name] the hedgehog
(where [your first name] is your actual first name, you literal femur-fucker)Okay, did it.
... Now what?
Masturbate furiously.
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@polygeekery
Ok ... Now what?
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@luhmann Rinse. Repeat.
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@polygeekery said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
Masturbate furiously.
To what appears to be an MS paint drawing hosted on DeviantArt? Nah, I'm not 13 anymore; I'm good. :P
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Consider the following: this directive is just about enforcing the existing law.
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@anonymous234 said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
Consider the following: this directive is just about enforcing the existing law.
Absolutely not.
Fair use aside, under current law something as short as a headline isn't copyrightable to begin with, as it doesn't pass the threshold of originality. Putting a 5 year copyright on news snippets is beyond retarded.Someone should train a Markov generator (or maybe a custom grammar) on headlines and produce all of them. Then sue anyone who tries to enforce this.
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@topspin said in EU Copyright Directive/Article 13:
headlines
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@topspin That's article 11 though, I was talking about article 13.
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@anonymous234 Ah sorry, I got those mixed up then. It's hard to keep track.
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Good news everyone