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@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
We've got some very nice and wide bicycle trails in my part of the city that let you bypass road traffic. Yet bicyclists still choose to ride on the 45 mph trunk roads and get in the way.
There's probably a reason for that - similar to how there will be mud trails over grass even when there's an "official" paved way because the "official" way is too long or impractical.
These paths are 5 yards wide, paved yearly with really nice concrete, located safely about 10 - 15 yards away from the streets, parallel the main trunk roads, and are well-labeled and marketed as bicycle paths. So why ride on the trunk roads instead?
How thick is the pedestrian traffic?
Many of our separated bike lanes are constantly filled with pedestrians, then some of the avenues have very thin bikes lane which make dooring a higher risk.
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@Dragoon said in Lime scooters:
@mikehurley said in Lime scooters:
Plus as I understand it, in most jurisdictions pedestrians have right of way even if they're jaywalking. Also, as I understand it, bikes aren't pedestrians, but vehicles, so they are supposed to yield to pedestrians as well.
Legally true.
Personally I side with physics and say the car has the right of way.
Doesn't matter if whose right if your dead.
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@Karla said in Lime scooters:
@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
We've got some very nice and wide bicycle trails in my part of the city that let you bypass road traffic. Yet bicyclists still choose to ride on the 45 mph trunk roads and get in the way.
There's probably a reason for that - similar to how there will be mud trails over grass even when there's an "official" paved way because the "official" way is too long or impractical.
These paths are 5 yards wide, paved yearly with really nice concrete, located safely about 10 - 15 yards away from the streets, parallel the main trunk roads, and are well-labeled and marketed as bicycle paths. So why ride on the trunk roads instead?
How thick is the pedestrian traffic?
Many of our separated bike lanes are constantly filled with pedestrians, then some of the avenues have very thin bikes lane which make dooring a higher risk.
Practically zero. It's a largely residential and very spread-out area, so there's not really anything you'd walk to within probably three miles (which might as well be cross-continent for the average fat and lazy American). You do see a few recreational/exercising walkers in the evenings on nice days, though.
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@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
paved yearly with really nice concrete
WTF is wrong with either your climate or your construction workers that concrete has to be repaved annually?
I assume you mean asphalt/blacktop
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@izzion said in Lime scooters:
WTF is wrong with either your climate or your construction workers that concrete has to be repaved annually?
I assume you mean asphalt/blacktop
Even harsh winter climate doesn't mandate that
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@izzion said in Lime scooters:
@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
paved yearly with really nice concrete
WTF is wrong with either your climate or your construction workers that concrete has to be repaved annually?
I assume you mean asphalt/blacktop
I don't know what exactly it is, I'm no concrete expert. It's very light-gray, almost white. I assume we got some massive federal grant to make our part of the city bicycle-friendly or something, and they have far more budget than is really necessary. I don't know, I don't really follow local politics that closely because it's mostly pretty boring and uncontroversial.
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@TimeBandit said in Lime scooters:
@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
replace bike paths with PHP
That's insulting for PHP programmers
Yeah, they have sense enough to drive to their destination and not arrive smelling like a sweaty ballsack.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
Yeah, they have sense enough to drive to their destination and not arrive smelling like a sweaty ballsack.
Yeah, I stopped riding to work because when we moved our new office didn't have showers.
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@Dragoon said in Lime scooters:
Yeah, I stopped riding to work because we our new office didn't have showers.
Huh?
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I might have a few words there.
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@Dragoon said in Lime scooters:
I might have a few words there.
Amusing. That sentence works even without the word that you "forgot".
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@Polygeekery
That's why on this side of the pond we have this 'shower' thing, you should try it some time.
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@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
Give cyclists the same quality of access to the roads as cars and we can talk about laws again.
When cyclists pay the same taxes as car drivers/owners for the upkeep.
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@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
When cyclists pay the same taxes as car drivers/owners for the upkeep.
I do. I cycle and have a car.
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@Luhmann said in Lime scooters:
@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
When cyclists pay the same taxes as car drivers/owners for the upkeep.
I do. I cycle and have a car.
Well, truth be told, bicycles wouldn't need nearly as high taxes, because they incur significantly less wear, and the roads need significantly less ground work. But when cyclists want roads on par with heavily taxed vehicles, they should also get to pay for the new infrastructure with taxes of their own.
Or, do you suggest that driving on bicycle lanes would be ok with the car? I'd go for that as well.
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@mott555
Doth it look summat like:
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@izzion Here's a Google Street View example, bike path off to the right and there's another one on the other side of the road: (I guess the path is closer to 3 yards wide than 5 yards.) It looks like a normal sidewalk, but it's labeled as a bike path.
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@mott555 said in Lime scooters:
It looks like a normal sidewalk, but it's labeled as a bike path.
For most cyclist, sidewalks, streets and highways are all labeled as bike path
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@TimeBandit Maybe that's the fix. We'll quit calling it a bike path and suddenly all the cyclists will want to use it!
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@mott555
Yeah, that looks like regular asphalt that's been chip & sealed. Hence the pathway starts "darkening" as the chip & seal gets eroded by traffic and the underlying asphalt starts showing through again.
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@mott555: what is that white patch hiding?
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@Zerosquare Just the street name.
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A strip of tarmac goes into the pub and orders a pint. After serving him, the barman asks if he wants to join his mate in the corner. Sitting in the corner is a strip of red tarmac. The strip of tarmac shakes his head violently: "I'm not going near him" it says, "he's a cyclepath!"
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@Luhmann said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery
That's why on this side of the pond we have this 'shower' thing, you should try it some time.You know, for all the people that don't exist in the office I work at, there is a shower (technically). I believe it works, but I've never tried it because I'm not spending hours biking to work just to justify an attempt to use it...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
I'm not spending hours biking to work just to justify an attempt to use it
you don't need an excuse ...
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@Luhmann said in Lime scooters:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
I'm not spending hours biking to work just to justify an attempt to use it
you don't need an excuse ...
According to the Ethical module, routine submodule Unenforceable tangent resource usage, doing so would serve no purpose and wastes resources to provide no perceivable benefit, either internally or externally, that would be easier/better achieved through other means.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
easier/better achieved through other means
Rolling in the sand outside to get a dust bath? OK, that works. Gets the ticks out of your fur/feathers.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
According to the Ethical module
dism /online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:EthicalMod
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@dkf said in Lime scooters:
Rolling in the sand outside to get a dust bath?
The sand available to me is not suitable for washing. Also, I have a shower at home.
@dkf said in Lime scooters:
Gets the ticks out of your fur/feathers.
Need more chemicals, these ones won't be deterred by rocks!
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Lime scooters:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
According to the Ethical module
dism /online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:EthicalMod
Error: 740 Elevated permissions are required to run DISM. Use an elevated command prompt to complete these tasks.
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Error: 740
Elevated permissions are required to run DISM.
Use an elevated command prompt to complete these tasks.Until next time, Mr. @Tsaukpaetra.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Lime scooters:
Error: 740
Elevated permissions are required to run DISM.
Use an elevated command prompt to complete these tasks.Until next time, Mr. @Tsaukpaetra.
We're sorry, but there are no available authentication methods available that can satisfy your permission request. For further assistance, please contact
MCP@eol.gateway.tsaukpaetra.com
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
Also, I have a shower at home.
I'm feeling slightly triggered by this. Mine's not working. because the council decided to do some regularly scheduled street digging (apparently there were places that hadn't been dug up yet, whaddyaknow...) and turned off hot water supply for the whole district. Was supposed to be for two days, but hahahaha... *snort*. Also, tomorrow starts the town festival, so unless it magically appears today, I don't think it will be restored until next week. If there was something resembling a shower at work, I'd probably consider it (before considering again against).
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Lime scooters:
turned off hot water supply for the whole district.
Ah, you live in an area where such a thing is possible. My condolences.
I also have backup strats involving an "interesting" piece of wire wrapped around the shower pipe outlet...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Lime scooters:
turned off hot water supply for the whole district.
Ah, you live in an area where such a thing is possible. My condolences.
I also have backup strats involving an "interesting" piece of wire wrapped around the shower pipe outlet...
What's a "hot water supply"? Don't you have your own water heater?
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@mikehurley said in Lime scooters:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Lime scooters:
turned off hot water supply for the whole district.
Ah, you live in an area where such a thing is possible. My condolences.
I also have backup strats involving an "interesting" piece of wire wrapped around the shower pipe outlet...
What's a "hot water supply"? Don't you have your own water heater?
There's this thing in some places (I know that one of the cities I lived in in Latvia was this way) where all the hot water, for heating as well as for normal use, comes from a municipal boiler. My guess is that there are several per city, but....yeah. It sucked, because they were always doing repairs, especially during the summer when it wasn't needed for heating. No hot water for you!
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Lime scooters:
@mikehurley said in Lime scooters:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Lime scooters:
turned off hot water supply for the whole district.
Ah, you live in an area where such a thing is possible. My condolences.
I also have backup strats involving an "interesting" piece of wire wrapped around the shower pipe outlet...
What's a "hot water supply"? Don't you have your own water heater?
There's this thing in some places (I know that one of the cities I lived in in Latvia was this way) where all the hot water, for heating as well as for normal use, comes from a municipal boiler. My guess is that there are several per city, but....yeah. It sucked, because they were always doing repairs, especially during the summer when it wasn't needed for heating. No hot water for you!
That's dumb. Even if you don't have the space for a traditional water heater you should still be able to plumb in one of those on demand units.
Very weird. I imagine a lot of heat is wasted running the hot water through long pipes, even if they're in the ground.
Do these cities have municipal water softeners too?
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@TimeBandit said in Lime scooters:
@izzion said in Lime scooters:
WTF is wrong with either your climate or your construction workers that concrete has to be repaved annually?
I assume you mean asphalt/blacktop
Even harsh winter climate doesn't mandate that
Just because they don't fix the potholes doesn't mean they're not there every year
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@hungrier said in Lime scooters:
they're not there every year
They're not there, they've been patched.
We have new ones every year
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@mikehurley said in Lime scooters:
That's dumb.
Thank you for your fair assessment of the situation! That's Soviet failed states. Most stuff was municipal.
@Benjamin-Hall already explains, but I'll elaborate. Khruschovkas might be something similar to "the projects", except in socialism most people were low-income, so adjust your expectations accordingly. I believe it holds true for most former Soviet states. Many have now been renovated (insulated, repainted, potemkinized), and some have indeed installed some sort of local heating (usually gas).
For ours it was decided by majority of owners that doing everything at once would be too expensive - let's leave better parking area and heat pump () for phase 2. As you may imagine, phase 2 never came. It's been 10 years now. Eventually EU pulled the funding from the company that managed the project over some paperwork irregularities (surprised pikachu), but no legal action followed, it just closed the shop, reopened the very next day with a new name and took over the contract. So here we are.
Anyway, I do have a small water heater rigged. It's still a bother, because electricity is way more expensive than letting the council burn shit somewhere else and worry about all the stuff instead (except once or twice a year when a "planned emergency" happens). I don't think there's much else I can do about it.
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@Rhywden said in Lime scooters:
Well, at least I didn't vote for a racist asshole.
Why do you feel the need to post a garagey non sequitur? Please don't.
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@Luhmann said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery
That's why on this side of the pond we have this 'shower' thing, you should try it some time.But after that you'd still have to ride back to work. I'm not sure you're keeping up here.
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@mikehurley said in Lime scooters:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Lime scooters:
@mikehurley said in Lime scooters:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Lime scooters:
turned off hot water supply for the whole district.
Ah, you live in an area where such a thing is possible. My condolences.
I also have backup strats involving an "interesting" piece of wire wrapped around the shower pipe outlet...
What's a "hot water supply"? Don't you have your own water heater?
There's this thing in some places (I know that one of the cities I lived in in Latvia was this way) where all the hot water, for heating as well as for normal use, comes from a municipal boiler. My guess is that there are several per city, but....yeah. It sucked, because they were always doing repairs, especially during the summer when it wasn't needed for heating. No hot water for you!
That's dumb. Even if you don't have the space for a traditional water heater you should still be able to plumb in one of those on demand units.
Very weird. I imagine a lot of heat is wasted running the hot water through long pipes, even if they're in the ground.
Do these cities have municipal water softeners too?
In Sweden, it's the normal way of doing things in towns. It's almost never went problems with the water supply.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Lime scooters:
@mikehurley said in Lime scooters:
That's dumb.
Thank you for your fair assessment of the situation! That's Soviet failed states. Most stuff was municipal.
- let's leave better parking area and heat pump () for phase 2. As you may imagine, phase 2 never came. It's been 10 years now.
The USSR died, but the β5 year plansβ concept didnβt...
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@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
In Sweden, it's the normal way of doing things in towns. It's almost never went problems with the water supply.
Agreed. It isn't a dumb idea as such, because it obviously works. For one, that big-ass boiler gets much better price for both water itself and whatever energy source is used to heat it. Two, it's very convenient to personally worry about nothing but the bill. Obviously, the town officials wouldn't be able to purchase and drive their shiny, big SUVs if it wasn't so. And their purchasing power heats the economy, so that's good, too.
But seriously, all centralization has the obvious downside that when something breaks, more are affected by the sudden sharp drop of convenience. It depends on how the pipework was planned, engineered and constructed. It's just not likely to have a pipe somewhere underneath a built-up area where getting to it wouldn't need ripping up some public land or public road.
The problem is, most Soviet stuff was made in a way that you repair them using sufficient application of a heavy object to create a perpendicular force vector until it either works again or repairs are no longer possible. Then you proceed from that point as events warrant, usually by replacing it with the cheapest import possible, but through a bunch of companies, because those SUVs aren't going to drive themselves (well, they soon will, but... yeah, this saying will not age well, I suppose).
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Lime scooters:
@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
In Sweden, it's the normal way of doing things in towns. It's almost never went problems with the water supply.
Agreed. It isn't a dumb idea as such, because it obviously works. For one, that big-ass boiler gets much better price for both water itself and whatever energy source is used to heat it. Two, it's very convenient to personally worry about nothing but the bill. Obviously, the town officials wouldn't be able to purchase and drive their shiny, big SUVs if it wasn't so. And their purchasing power heats the economy, so that's good, too.
But seriously, all centralization has the obvious downside that when something breaks, more are affected by the sudden sharp drop of convenience. It depends on how the pipework was planned, engineered and constructed. It's just not likely to have a pipe somewhere underneath a built-up area where getting to it wouldn't need ripping up some public land or public road.
The problem is, most Soviet stuff was made in a way that you repair them using sufficient application of a heavy object to create a perpendicular force vector until it either works again or repairs are no longer possible. Then you proceed from that point as events warrant, usually by replacing it with the cheapest import possible, but through a bunch of companies, because those SUVs aren't going to drive themselves (well, they soon will, but... yeah, this saying will not age well, I suppose).
I think the only case where central hot water makes sense is if it's heated from a geo thermal source. Seems like a lot of wasted water and heat. For instance the first time you want hot water that day you're going to pull a lot of cold(er) water out of the line before hot pops out. It's the same as my house but the pipe being "drained" of cold water is a lot less.
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@mikehurley said in Lime scooters:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Lime scooters:
turned off hot water supply for the whole district.
Ah, you live in an area where such a thing is possible. My condolences.
I also have backup strats involving an "interesting" piece of wire wrapped around the shower pipe outlet...
What's a "hot water supply"? Don't you have your own water heater?
Why are you asking me? I have a smart (stupid) water heater.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
I have a smart (stupid) water heater.
Your phone is dead?
NO SHOWER FOR YOU
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@TimeBandit He can have a cold shower. It'll remind him why he shouldn't have bought a smart water heater.
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@TimeBandit said in Lime scooters:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Lime scooters:
I have a smart (stupid) water heater.
Your phone is dead?
NO SHOWER FOR YOUNah, the smart part doesn't ever turn the heater off (it can't). At best it lets the temperature be lukewarm instead of boiling.