Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?
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Stack Overflow can help you with that. Introducing Stack Overflow for Teams:
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@polygeekery So...it's a shitty wiki/knowledgebase.
Why do I half expect my company to buy that right up...
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Don't they realize the main strength of SO is millions of people from all around the world answering questions at random in huge quantities? Do they really think it'll scale down to a single company that has a few thousand programmers at best?
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@gąska They may be responding to a demand of companies where execs think SO is useful, but cannot be used due to fear of losing intellectual property.
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@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Don't they realize the main strength of SO is millions of people from all around the world answering questions at random in huge quantities? Do they really think it'll scale down to a single company that has a few thousand programmers at best?
We use a stack overflow open source ripoff. Basically, it allows our customers to ask questions and for us to answer them. The idea was to eventually open it up to everyone and then the power users could answer questions for us but for various reasons that never happened.
It's still useful, because even though we don't have millions of users the subject material is much more focused (our application).
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@boomzilla said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
stack overflow open source ripoff
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@boomzilla said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Don't they realize the main strength of SO is millions of people from all around the world answering questions at random in huge quantities? Do they really think it'll scale down to a single company that has a few thousand programmers at best?
We use a stack overflow open source ripoff. Basically, it allows our customers to ask questions and for us to answer them. The idea was to eventually open it up to everyone and then the power users could answer questions for us but for various reasons that never happened.
It's still useful, because even though we don't have millions of users the subject material is much more focused (our application).
But is it useful enough to warrant charging for it? In particular, is it more useful than a random message board, or even dedicated email inbox?
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@polygeekery said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@boomzilla said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
stack overflow open source ripoff
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Ah...here it is:
We set that up a while ago. IIRC, we approached the SO/SE guys about setting up a private instance (and were willing to pay) but they only wanted to have public sites. I guess now that is no longer involved they're allowed to try to make money or something.
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@polygeekery said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Introducing Stack Overflow for Teams
That's just going to suck so much. The likelihood of any of those instances having the scale to actually become useful is just so slight, and it is the content that makes SO actually good. Their internal search… not so much. Nor is SO4T likely to come with enough people who understand it to make the local podling work if they manage to get enough engagement.
The management at Stack Exchange need to stop screwing around with this stuff and focus on doing what they have been successful with (and trying to do it better) rather than branching out into a time-sucking swamp. But the idiots in charge have lost sight of that basic principle.
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@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@boomzilla said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Don't they realize the main strength of SO is millions of people from all around the world answering questions at random in huge quantities? Do they really think it'll scale down to a single company that has a few thousand programmers at best?
We use a stack overflow open source ripoff. Basically, it allows our customers to ask questions and for us to answer them. The idea was to eventually open it up to everyone and then the power users could answer questions for us but for various reasons that never happened.
It's still useful, because even though we don't have millions of users the subject material is much more focused (our application).
But is it useful enough to warrant charging for it? In particular, is it more useful than a random message board, or even dedicated email inbox?
@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@boomzilla said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Don't they realize the main strength of SO is millions of people from all around the world answering questions at random in huge quantities? Do they really think it'll scale down to a single company that has a few thousand programmers at best?
We use a stack overflow open source ripoff. Basically, it allows our customers to ask questions and for us to answer them. The idea was to eventually open it up to everyone and then the power users could answer questions for us but for various reasons that never happened.
It's still useful, because even though we don't have millions of users the subject material is much more focused (our application).
But is it useful enough to warrant charging for it? In particular, is it more useful than a random message board, or even dedicated email inbox?
My customer was willing to pay for it. Yes, I'd say that it's definitely more useful than either of those things. The message board probably lacks a way to identify unanswered questions and the inbox isn't really compatible with crowd sourcing and keeping the questions and answers around.
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@dkf said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@polygeekery said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Introducing Stack Overflow for Teams
That's just going to suck so much. The likelihood of any of those instances having the scale to actually become useful is just so slight, and it is the content that makes SO actually good. Their internal search… not so much. Nor is SO4T likely to come with enough people who understand it to make the local podling work if they manage to get enough engagement.
The management at Stack Exchange need to stop screwing around with this stuff and focus on doing what they have been successful with (and trying to do it better) rather than branching out into a time-sucking swamp. But the idiots in charge have lost sight of that basic principle.
That, and it also says it includes badges and such. The parts of SO that have attracted the worst people on the site. That is not the type of behavior you need to introduce in your place of work. That is how people end up being stabbed with letter openers.
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@polygeekery said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
That, and it also says it includes badges and such.
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This looks like a cheaper alternative to Stack Overflow enterprise. One of my employers had their own SO instance and it was OK for finding solutions to environment setup issues, and general architecture questions.
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@boomzilla said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@boomzilla said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Don't they realize the main strength of SO is millions of people from all around the world answering questions at random in huge quantities? Do they really think it'll scale down to a single company that has a few thousand programmers at best?
We use a stack overflow open source ripoff. Basically, it allows our customers to ask questions and for us to answer them. The idea was to eventually open it up to everyone and then the power users could answer questions for us but for various reasons that never happened.
It's still useful, because even though we don't have millions of users the subject material is much more focused (our application).
But is it useful enough to warrant charging for it? In particular, is it more useful than a random message board, or even dedicated email inbox?
@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@boomzilla said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Don't they realize the main strength of SO is millions of people from all around the world answering questions at random in huge quantities? Do they really think it'll scale down to a single company that has a few thousand programmers at best?
We use a stack overflow open source ripoff. Basically, it allows our customers to ask questions and for us to answer them. The idea was to eventually open it up to everyone and then the power users could answer questions for us but for various reasons that never happened.
It's still useful, because even though we don't have millions of users the subject material is much more focused (our application).
But is it useful enough to warrant charging for it? In particular, is it more useful than a random message board, or even dedicated email inbox?
My customer was willing to pay for it.
Are customers paying for some way to ask and browse questions, or specifically for the StackOverflow format with upvotes/downvotes, comments, badges, bounties and whatnot? (Not sure which features you use at your company - just ignore the words that don't apply.)
Also, it seems they market it as an intra-team solution rather than provider-client communication platform. Which is totally different from your use case.
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@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Are customers paying for some way to ask and browse questions, or specifically for the StackOverflow format with upvotes/downvotes, comments, badges, bounties and whatnot?
In that they pay for the hardware it runs on, yes. They were willing to pay SO money to get a private instance of SO but SO wouldn't sell it to us.
@gąska said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Also, it seems they market it as an intra-team solution rather than provider-client communication platform. Which is totally different from your use case.
It seems wrong not to .
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No more digging through stale wikis and lost emails—give your team back the time it needs to build better products.
Instead, waste someone else's time by making them answer the same questions over and over.
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@dragnslcr said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Instead, waste someone else's time by making them answer the same questions over and over.
VTC as duplicate!
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I'm gonna get myself some sweet sweet intranetpointzzzz
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@jaloopa said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
I'm gonna get myself some sweet sweet intranetpointzzzz
Gamification-as-a-service?
Filed under: They'd do hostility-as-a-service, but then they'd need to provide the users in addition to the infrastructure.
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Don't they already have (or had) a self hosted or private version of SO? This sounds like the same shit.
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@dkf said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Nor is SO4T likely to come with enough people who understand it to make the local podling work if they manage to get enough engagement.
You could make a markov chain based on all of SO's "closed because..." messages. Then just make it close 75% of questions after 5 minutes with a randomly generated message. It's like the original experience!
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@topspin said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
They'd do hostility-as-a-service, but then they'd need to provide the users in addition to the infrastructure.
Surely we could all lend a hand.
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@boomzilla It sounds like a good idea. It's just the extended idea of asking teammates if they know the answer to a problem. If your team doesn't know, maybe someone else in the company does.
The cost of asking anyone a question, though, is that they'll misinterpret (not clear to what extent it's intentional) a specific question for a generalized plea for help, and/or use it as an excuse to take over.
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@topspin said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
They'd do hostility-as-a-service, but then they'd need to provide the users in addition to the infrastructure.
Speak for yourself. I would sign up for that.
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@dkf said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
SO4T
SOFT would be a way better acronym.
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@dragnslcr
That is way too hard to expect someone to come up with.
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@izzion It's a soft skill.
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@polygeekery said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@topspin said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
They'd do hostility-as-a-service, but then they'd need to provide the users in addition to the infrastructure.
Speak for yourself. I would sign up for that.
I shouldn't read this shit at work, because now I'm laughing in my office.
Filed under: But at home I don't get paid for this.
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Between this and the increasing adoption of by companies, it is going to be more and more difficult to avoid Jeff's shit on the internet. :(
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@the_quiet_one said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Between this and the increasing adoption of by companies, it is going to be more and more difficult to avoid Jeff's shit on the internet. :(
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@the_quiet_one said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
Between this and the increasing adoption of by companies, it is going to be more and more difficult to avoid Jeff's shit on the internet. :(
It'll be hilarious if my company decides to move to Discourse, because they'd ask me to install it. And I'll have to say "Nope, I literally cannot install it because Jeff banned me for reporting a bug. Even if I could sign in to download it, I would be physically unable to act as the site administrator and seek official support for our instance."
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No more digging through stale wikis
Instead of updating one stale wiki page you can now update dozens of stale threads!
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@julmu What? It's not like the answer to a question might ever change as a product is updated over time. Whatever is the top-voted answer becomes the product spec forever.
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@e4tmyl33t said in Not enough infighting and bickering at your company?:
@polygeekery So...it's a shitty wiki/knowledgebase.
Why do I half expect my company to buy that right up...
There's a Discourse plugin that will be a bugtracker for you as well.