How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?
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@bb36e said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@jaloopa said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Internet went down
what is this mean??
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@blakeyrat said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@medinoc said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
I presume I don't need "unfuck astral-syphillis" (as blakeyrat once nicknamed it)
That doesn't sound like something I'd say. Google's utterly useless of course because NodeBB is ass.
Ah, must have been someone else then (possibly Cartman, because I think it was one of the forum's big names anyway). Sorry for the (possibly ongoing) misattribution.
Edit: Turns out it was @Lorne-Kates (got lucky with NodeBB's integrated search, which at least is better than 's)
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@anonymous234 said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
So this means that there is now no browser that supports proper Tree Style Tabs
@bb36e said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
I really hope tree tabs can at least be migrated to webextensions.
There is a version of tree tabs that works on 57: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-tabs/
However, the duplicate tab bar at the top is still visible.
In the end, there seems to be a simple solution.
If I value the extensions more than some minor performance improvements, I can keep the current version and ignore the update.
If the new version adds something useful / gets a good extension ecosystem, I can update.It is also understandable that the devs want to work on a new exciting architecture. We are not forced to use whatever they produce.
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Beginning with Firefox 57, Mozilla will hide the search bar and will use one singular input bar, just like . . . . wait for it . . . . wait for it . . . . here it comes . . . . . JUST LIKE CHROME.
Last year, Mozilla announced plans to drop its proprietary PDF and Flash plugin implementations and use the ones developed by . . . . . who? . . . . . I bet you know this one . . . . . THE CHROME TEAM.
This was a "cost cutting move" because, apparently, the $350 Million a year in free money they get from Yahoo just isn't cutting it any more.
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@el_heffe I wonder if they own the copyright for all the Firefox code. Because at this point, the best option they have is to sell it to the highest bidder.
I wonder if Microsoft could do something with it. Clearly Edge isn't working out well either.
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@el_heffe said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Beginning with Firefox 57, Mozilla will hide the search bar and will use one singular input bar, just like . . . . wait for it . . . . wait for it . . . . here it comes . . . . . JUST LIKE CHROME.
Not this shit. I don't want to type devserver and have it sent to the googles just because devserver is down.
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As I understand, the problem with the new extension API is that it offers no access to the browser UI.
That is quite surprising, given how simple a browser UI is, and since it already knows how to render HTML, the custom UI could be made with HTML.
And, if anything, the rewrite should make things more modular and easier to extend.And I don't believe that bullshit about extensions touching browser internals to make the UI. All that would be needed to insert a custom part of the UI is the HTML to render and location of the widget in the layout.
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@adynathos said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
since it already knows how to render HTML, the custom UI could be made with HTML.
That's the idea behind Browser.html, an experimental project under the umbrella of the Servo browser engine.
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@zecc said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
That's the idea behind Browser.html, an experimental project under the umbrella of the Servo browser engine.
There are two major components to the browser.html application.
- Local server that serves application UI.
- Client that is a application shell that connects to the server and renders served UI.
...
Browser.html can also run as an Electron application.Now that I think of it, one could just use electron to render the websites and add the UI that is needed.
Electron's
webview
element already has the needed features:Sandbox
Unlike an iframe, the webview runs in a separate process than your app. It doesn’t have the same permissions as your web page and all interactions between your app and embedded content will be asynchronous.Injecting scripts:
preload
<webview src="https://www.github.com/" preload="./test.js"></webview>
Specifies a script that will be loaded before other scripts run in the guest page. The protocol of script’s URL must be either file: or asar:, because it will be loaded by require in guest page under the hood.Profiles for temporary and permanent sessions:
partition
Sets the session used by the page. If partition starts with persist:, the page will use a persistent session available to all pages in the app with the same partition. if there is no persist: prefix, the page will use an in-memory session. By assigning the same partition, multiple pages can share the same session. If the partition is unset then default session of the app will be used.And also printing, capturing screenshots etc.
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@r10pez10 said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Not sure how widely known this meme is, but...
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@el_heffe said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Last year, Mozilla announced plans to drop its proprietary PDF and Flash plugin implementations and use the ones developed by . . . . . who? . . . . . I bet you know this one . . . . . THE CHROME TEAM.
That seems very incorrect.
- I don't know of a Flash implementation by Mozilla. Except Shumway, which they cannot drop because it never reached maturity and never included in the browser.
- Did they announce the move or did they just openly ponder it?
I think the search bar can be added back.
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Update: The search bar will not be removed for existing users, only new profiles. It will be available from Customization.
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@marczellm said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
I think the search bar can be added back.
It can right now. There are a couple preference overrides that hide it again every few browser updates "just in case it was still the old default" (nevermind that they've got a system to account for that, those fucks) but you can re-override it.
When "Photon" (the new Australis) lands, that will
no longer be possible at all. Nor will unfucking the new tab page.Edit: @marczellm found the bug that I could not.
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@adynathos said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
And I don't believe that bullshit about extensions touching browser internals to make the UI. All that would be needed to insert a custom part of the UI is the HTML to render and location of the widget in the layout.
Qft
If fucking WordPress can figure out how to do improvements to their codebase without fucking up the deeply embedded extension hooks, Mozilla sure as fuck can, too.
It's all a bullshit excuse to handwave away the fact that the C-levels have all but embezzled away the hundreds of millions of dollars from R&D.
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@twelvebaud said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
the new
AustralisAsscancerhey remember that piece of shit ui redesign we did just a few years ago that pissed off our entire user base?
oh you mean the one that was so fucking awful, people spent nearly a year before the actual release just working on an extension specifically to undo it?
yeah, that one, the one that cost us, like, 90% of our install base, and effectively destroyed any chance of Mozilla ever being a serious competitor in the browser marketplace ever again?
yeah,I remember that
how about, and hear me out on this... How about we do that again?
brilliant!edititalicised text** ftfm
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@twelvebaud said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Nor will unfucking the new tab page.
really? holy shit.
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I am the only one who likes Australis? What is so bad about it?
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@lorne-kates said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
ui redesign we did just a few years ago
They didn't even finish it properly before dumping it. This was fixed, like, this year.
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@magnusmaster said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
I am the only one who likes Australis? What is so bad about it?
Fuck off
DiscodevMossydev
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@marczellm said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@twelvebaud said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Nor will unfucking the new tab page.
really? holy shit.
Does about:config still let you set new tab to about:blank ?
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@lorne-kates I think they took that out in Firefox 33. You could have it load to a "blank" about:newtab page instead, but my understanding is that's going away in Firefox 57 since "the new new tab page is so much more useful!!1one [chrome-parity] [ie-parity] [self-parody]"
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@twelvebaud said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
the new new tab page is so much more
usefulad-revenue generating!
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@magnusmaster said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
I am the only one who likes Australis? What is so bad about it?
The refresh button being on the opposite side of the screen from the other controls, in my case.
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@el_heffe said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
the search bar
LOL they had a dedicated input field just to start a web search? Bah of course they did...
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@twelvebaud where do you get that from?
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@tsaukpaetra said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@el_heffe said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
the search bar
LOL they had a dedicated input field just to start a web search? Bah of course they did...
Kids these days. When I was young, address bar was for typing addresses in. And if you wanted a search box, you had to install it yourself!
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@blakeyrat said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@el_heffe People used to say that about IE vs. Netscape while ignoring that on Macintosh (a platform whose vendor shipped both browsers on the OS disk) people by and large preferred IE over Netscape.
Oh, sure. If they were so smart, why were they using macs?
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@magnusmaster said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
I am the only one who likes Australis? What is so bad about it?
I got used to it fast. I don't dislike it. Going back to the hold UI feels slightly strange now.
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@lorne-kates said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Does about:config still let you set new tab to about:blank ?
I'm on mobile so I can't confirm, but I think I have set it to open my homepage; which coincidentally is about:blank.
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@tsaukpaetra said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
LOL they had a dedicated input field just to start a web search? Bah of course they did...
Do you have Windows? Press Win+E.
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@tsaukpaetra said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@el_heffe said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
the search bar
LOL they had a dedicated input field just to start a web search? Bah of course they did...
Google (and now Yahoo) have paid Mozilla hundreds of millions of dollars every year for that search box.
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@zecc said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@tsaukpaetra said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
LOL they had a dedicated input field just to start a web search? Bah of course they did...
Do you have Windows? Press Win+E.
.....that.... Opens..... My computer?
How is that related to web searches?
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@maciejasjmj said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
And if you wanted a search box, you had to
install it yourself!visit literally any site with Internet Explorer and the silent-exploit malware would take care of installing the search box for you
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@lorne-kates said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@maciejasjmj said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
And if you wanted a search box, you had to
install it yourself!visit literally any site with Internet Explorer andthe silent-exploit malwareBonziBuddy would take care of installing the search box for you
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@pie_flavor said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@lorne-kates said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@maciejasjmj said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
And if you wanted a search box, you had to
install it yourself!visit literally any site with Internet Explorer andthe silent-exploit malwareBonziBuddy would take care of installing the search box for youHuh, TIL that ins and
deltogether makeswhatever this is
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@lb_ said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Huh, TIL that ins and del together makes whatever this is
.composer .preview ins > del, .topic .posts .content ins > del, { [component="chat/message/body"] ins > del background-color: #00CCFF; text-decoration: overline; }
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@marczellm When they added the new "enhanced" new tab page, the default entry for the new tab page URL in about:config went away. I also don't see a setting for it in General Preferences anymore. In the screenshot for the new new new tab page, I don't see a way to turn all the stuff off; there don't appear to be any flippy switches or "hide" options in the ellipses menu, just more bullshit like Pocket and so on.
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@lb_
It works the other way too.
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@lb_ said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Huh, TIL that ins and
deltogether makeswhatever this is2nd person in a week.
It's a hangover from when I added the colours for
ins
anddel
to start with (which CDCK subsequently adopted; they originally didn't have it - all they had wasstrikefordel
. and underline forins
.)I added
ins > del
anddel > ins
on a whim./* Differentiate strike/del */ del { background-color: #fdd; border-color: #f1c0c0; color: black; } ins { background-color: #dbffdb; border-color: #c1e9c1; color: black; } ins > del { background-color: #0cf; text-decoration: overline; } del > ins { background-color: #ff6; text-decoration: overline; }
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@pjh said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
It's a hangover from
Well at least it's not full clown-vomit mode...
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@zecc said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Not this shit. I don't want to type devserver and have it sent to the googles just because devserver is down.
You're so pre-post-privacy!!!1
I had a colleague who literally couldn't understand what was wrong about forwarding all her company email to gmail "because the search is so much better".
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Today's fun exercise:
Go to mozilla.org and try to download Firefox. You can do it, but it's about as non-obvious as they can possibly make it.
(1) Scroll down the page looking for a download link. Click on the link that says
Get Firefox
. Scroll to the bottom of that page and there's a link that saysDownload Firefox
. Click it and . . . . fooled you!! . . . it's just a link to the page you're on.(2) Just below that fake download link is a link that says
Desktop Browser
. Let's try that. It takes you to a page with lots of stuff telling you how wonderful Firefox is.(3) Scroll to the bottom of that page and there's a link that says
Download Firefox
. Click it and it takes you to the page you were on at the end of step #1(4) Go back to that page with all the stuff about how wonderful Firefox is. At the top of the page is a link that says
Support
. On the Support page click on the big square that saysFirefox
. That takes you to a page with a big green button that saysFirefox free download
.Finally!! We made it.
(5) Click the big green download button and it takes you to . . . . . the page you were on at the end of in step #1 above. A page with no working download link.
(6) Go back to the Support page. Under the big green download button is a link that says
Systems and Languages
in a gray font on a gray background (because that's so easy to read). Click on it and it takes you to the page where you can actually download Firefox.
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@el_heffe said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
Today's fun exercise:
Go to mozilla.org and try to download Firefox.
What's wrong with
yum install firefox
?
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@el_heffe huh, I had a completely different experience. I clicked "Firefox" at the very top of the Mozilla home page, and there's a giant green download button that downloads the installer and directs you to a page with links for the mobile apps. Never had to scroll down once.
So I tried again, this time by scrolling down first, and there's only one extra page navigation. I just kept clicking the green buttons until an executable downloaded.
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@lb_ said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
@el_heffe huh, I had a completely different experience. I clicked "Firefox" at the very top of the Mozilla home page, and there's a giant green download button that downloads the installer and directs you to a page with links for the mobile apps. Never had to scroll down once.
So I tried again, this time by scrolling down first, and there's only one extra page navigation. I just kept clicking the green buttons until an executable downloaded.
I spent some more time clicking around and the only big green download button iI can find is here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/firefox and it doesn't do anything. It just takes you to a page with no working download link. There are links that do nothing scattered all over the place.
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@tsaukpaetra said in How will you deal with the coming Firefox apocalypse?:
.....that.... Opens..... My computer?
How is that related to web searches?
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@el_heffe I'm guessing it must be a regional difference or something. For reference, mozilla.org redirects to
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
for me and looks like this:The green button in the top right immediately downloads the installer and links to
https://www.mozilla.org/firefox/new/?scene=2
. The black text "Firefox" link leads tohttps://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/
and looks like this:Both green buttons there immediately download the installer. Back on mozilla.org, if you scroll down you can find this:
Clicking "Get Firefox today" leads to
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
which looks like this:Clicking the green button downloads the installer and leads to
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?scene=2
.