Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever
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@LB_ Since when was that the requirement? I'm just saying, update your hypothetical "average" user: they probably have two computers, a smartphone, and a tablet now, not just one old desktop in the corner.
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@LB_
Why would simultaneity be a requirement?Oh, hey, I'm faffing about on WTDWTF today, and there's this link that looks really relevant to ${WORKPROBLEM} I've been having. Let's just copy that link address for Monday...
???
Profit!
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@Yamikuronue said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
update your hypothetical "average" user
I dunno about that: people tend not to like having patches applied without their prior consent
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@lucas1 said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
If people are worried about this stuff. I would use a Free OS. Plenty are available.
If there was one that was actually usable, Microsoft would have gone out of business years ago.
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@LB_ said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@dkf now all we need is Wake-on-Wifi and Wake-on-dead-battery
And Wake-On-LAN requires UDP broadcast, which is blocked by default on most routers anyway.
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@El_Heffe said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
If there was one that was actually usableIf Windows was not pre-loaded, Microsoft would have gone out of business years ago.
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@Yamikuronue since @ben_lubar made it the requirement many posts ago?
@izzion said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Oh, hey, I'm faffing about on WTDWTF today, and there's this link that looks really relevant to ${WORKPROBLEM} I've been having. Let's just copy that link address for Monday...
???
Profit!Good luck remembering to never overwrite your clipboard until then. Why not just send yourself an email?
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@LB_
Well, ok, trivial example :PBut I'm assuming that Microsoft will implement in a sane fashion that provides a degree of history that you can select from. Which probably makes me TR but hey.
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@izzion said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@LB_
Well, ok, trivial example :PBut I'm assuming that Microsoft will implement in a sane fashion that provides a degree of history that you can select from. Which probably makes me TR but hey.
So what you're saying is that if I copy a password, the password is saved in plaintext on all of my computers for no reason?
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@ben_lubar
No, it's just saved in the cloud. But no worries, NSA already has all your passwords anyway.
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I'll just sit here quietly waiting for the inevitable stories of people who have accidentally sent porn to the wrong device.
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@LB_ said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Yamikuronue ...that they use simultaneously? As in, they probably installed Synergy to avoid having to use two sets of keyboards and mice on the same desk?
... I'm not sure where you got this "simultaneous" requirement from.
This means that for applications that support it, you'll be able to stop what you're doing on one machine—writing an e-mail, say—and resume that task on an iPhone.
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I can see a minor convenience in these things, but I feel the right to privacy is far more important. IMHO most people don't even understand how precious it is, and how day by day, we're making it normal to have our information publicly exposed. These are small steps in that direction.
Now, aside from that. Windows Timeline is one of those things I consider anti-features that prevent users to learn how to use a computer.
It's like the combined address-bar and search-bar in modern browsers. How many times have you seen people randomly typing something and expecting the correct website to open or tell other people to "put Barcelona on the computer and look at the 3rd picture" or something like that.
They don't understand what they're doing. And they don't have any reason to understand it, because in most cases they get what they want.
I'm not against these "smart" bars by the way, the PROs are more than the CONs, but this is a side effect.Similarly, with Windows Timeline people are not incentivised to think where they're putting their files because they're somehow going to recall that file by jumping back to "that document I wrote yesterday morning".
It's a double-edged sword, makes things somewhat more convenient for some users but makes other users dumber.
Proficient users probably won't use it anyway. Like, I never used the "recent files" feature in Windows (does it even still exist?) because I know where my stuff is.
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@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Like, I never used the "recent files" feature in Windows (does it even still exist?) because I know where my stuff is.
I'm pretty sure it still exists, yeah
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@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Proficient users probably won't use it anyway. Like, I never used the "recent files" feature in Windows (does it even still exist?) because I know where my stuff is.
Yeah, it does. Now if only there was a way to open My Computer by default instead of that whenever I launch explorer.exe ...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Proficient users probably won't use it anyway. Like, I never used the "recent files" feature in Windows (does it even still exist?) because I know where my stuff is.
Yeah, it does. Now if only there was a way to open My Computer by default instead of that whenever I launch explorer.exe ...
Does this help?
http://www.askvg.com/tip-remove-6-extra-folders-from-windows-10-explorer-this-pc/
Edit: dammit, why does it recognize Ctrl+Enter before Ctrl+V?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Yeah, it does. Now if only there was a way to open My Computer by default instead of that whenever I launch explorer.exe ...
There's this in the folder options:
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@Zecc said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Proficient users probably won't use it anyway. Like, I never used the "recent files" feature in Windows (does it even still exist?) because I know where my stuff is.
Yeah, it does. Now if only there was a way to open My Computer by default instead of that whenever I launch explorer.exe ...
Does this help?
http://www.askvg.com/tip-remove-6-extra-folders-from-windows-10-explorer-this-pc/
Edit: dammit, why does it recognize Ctrl+Enter before Ctrl+V?
Technically no, because that's the "This PC" view; I'm talking about the default "Quick access" which looks like this:
@coldandtired said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Yeah, it does. Now if only there was a way to open My Computer by default instead of that whenever I launch explorer.exe ...
There's this in the folder options:
OMG Why haven't I noticed that before?!?!
In other news, Guess what happens when you un-tick the "Show recently used files in Quick access" and "Show frequently used folders in Quick access" (Which, it literally the two sections displayed there?
I'm disappoint. Should be a blank screen, no?
Edit: Actually, looks like that folders tickbox does nothing, even if you leave the flies box checked, it still shows!
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@Tsaukpaetra I was actually talking about the Start > Recent files menu that they introduced back in Win95. I'm pretty sure it was still there in WinXP. AFAICT it's gone now. Frequently accessed folders is not the same.
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@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra I was actually talking about the Start > Recent files menu that they introduced back in Win95. I'm pretty sure it was still there in WinXP. AFAICT it's gone now. Frequently accessed folders is not the same.
It's not gone, just moved into "Jump lists"
Or the afore-mentioned "quick access"
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@Zecc said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
I'll just sit here quietly waiting for the inevitable stories of people who have accidentally sent porn to the wrong device.
I'd try to estimate how many days this'll take, but I got a divide by zero error.
I'm waiting for the synch to fuck up and delete someone's files. Y'know, like Apple does.
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@cheong said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
And Wake-On-LAN requires UDP broadcast, which is blocked by default on most routers anyway.
More useful is remote access to some sort of management console, which is definitely a thing with servers but is vanishingly rare in desktops (let alone laptops). Of course, such management consoles have also been found to be ridden with security bugs, so there's that… ;)
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@Rhywden said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
I actually had this problem several times when I wanted to share a picture or link through WhatsApp: The picture or link was on my desktop and not directly available on the mobile.
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@Rhywden said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
This means that for applications that support it, you'll be able to stop what you're doing on one machine—writing an e-mail, say—and resume that task on an iPhone
Oh, they've implemented a drafts folder?
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@Jaloopa yes, but IN THE CLOUD.(Capitals for "dramatic voice effect")
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@Arantor said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
"dramatic voice effect"
I can't help but read it in that 'dramatic movie trailer' voice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3rcrfPeCFI
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@Rhywden said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
I'm not sure where you got this "simultaneous" requirement from.
The requirement came from @ben_lubar: https://what.thedailywtf.com/post/1155782
I'm simply continuing this line of discussion because I am genuinely curious.
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@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
They don't understand what they're doing. And they don't have any reason to understand it, because in most cases they get what they want.
It's not the 1990s, and you no longer need to know what an IRQ is or what an EMM is for to write a letter on a PC. How is opening the computers up to people who wouldn't be able to understand how they work a bad thing? So what if Grandpa has no idea what a URL is if we can use the technology to make it so that he doesn't have to know?
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@ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@izzion said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@LB_
Well, ok, trivial example :PBut I'm assuming that Microsoft will implement in a sane fashion that provides a degree of history that you can select from. Which probably makes me TR but hey.
So what you're saying is that if I copy a password, the password is saved in plaintext on all of my computers for no reason?
Oh no, no no! It's "in the cloud". That makes it so much different and better!
Microsoft Office programs implement their own custom clipboard which stores multiple items and lets you select which one you want to paste. So, it wouldn't be a huge surprise if they implement something similar with their "cloud clipboard". And it wouldn't be a huge surprise if they do it wrong, at least initially.
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@El_Heffe 3rd version of it will actually work.
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@blakeyrat said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Zmaster So don't buy it.
End of thread.
Oh, that's rich.
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@ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
How many people have two Windows computers that they are using simultaneously? I fail to see the benefit that a shared clipboard gives you over the file sharing stuff built into Windows or the bajillions of third party file sharing apps when your computers aren't even turned on at the same time, or aren't in the same building.
I'm guessing a lot of gamers do that. One computer is for playing games and the other is for watching videos or searching the internet while there's a break in gameplay (e.g. waiting for respawn).
Using files to share data from one computer to the other would mean that you have to put the game in the background for a while and so you're risking missing out on something important happening in the game.
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@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Proficient users probably won't use it anyway. Like, I never used the "recent files" feature in Windows (does it even still exist?) because I know where my stuff is.
I don't Windows but I use "recent documents" sorts of stuff all the time. I save sessions in various programs. I use bash history searching. This stuff is immensely convenient. It sounds to me like you either don't use the same things repeatedly or you like making your life difficult.
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@dkf said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@cheong said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
And Wake-On-LAN requires UDP broadcast, which is blocked by default on most routers anyway.
More useful is remote access to some sort of management console, which is definitely a thing with servers but is vanishingly rare in desktops (let alone laptops). Of course, such management consoles have also been found to be ridden with security bugs, so there's that… ;)
Just build them into the hardware. Duh.
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@El_Heffe said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
So, it wouldn't be a huge surprise if they implement something similar with their "cloud clipboard". And it wouldn't be a huge surprise if they do it wrong, at least initially.
It's not that complicated to do copy-and-paste over the internet if they've already got the serializations sorted out. (They probably have, at least for common types of content.) It's actually a fairly minor extension to the clipboard protocol, at least unless you're pasting some kind of complex active object (in which case you should check your sanity with Codethulhu…)
The screwups are more likely on the privacy and security fronts.
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@RaceProUK said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Like, I never used the "recent files" feature in Windows (does it even still exist?) because I know where my stuff is.
I'm pretty sure it still exists, yeah
And it's still the default in Explorer. (One of the first things I change on a new system)
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@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra I was actually talking about the Start > Recent files menu that they introduced back in Win95. I'm pretty sure it was still there in WinXP. AFAICT it's gone now. Frequently accessed folders is not the same.
The start menu now has "Recently added" and "Most used". Both of which can be controlled with options. (It also has Suggestions - which I disable - it's more like ads)
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@boomzilla said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
Oh, that's rich.
<sarcasm>
It's not like Micro-Soft did anything to trick users into installing Win10.
And you always have the choice to NOT install those updates.
</sarcasm>
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@TimeBandit Not even going there. Just that people have told him similar things in the past, triggering eruptions of rage.
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@boomzilla said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@dkf said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@cheong said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
And Wake-On-LAN requires UDP broadcast, which is blocked by default on most routers anyway.
More useful is remote access to some sort of management console, which is definitely a thing with servers but is vanishingly rare in desktops (let alone laptops). Of course, such management consoles have also been found to be ridden with security bugs, so there's that… ;)
Just build them into the hardware. Duh.
Like, Intel Management? You know, the thing that lets you boot and wipe systems remotely without much authentication?
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@dcon said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra I was actually talking about the Start > Recent files menu that they introduced back in Win95. I'm pretty sure it was still there in WinXP. AFAICT it's gone now. Frequently accessed folders is not the same.
The start menu now has "Recently added" and "Most used". Both of which can be controlled with options. (It also has Suggestions - which I disable - it's more like ads)
Yeah but that's for Apps, I think she was taking about recent documents.
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@blakeyrat said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Zmaster So don't buy it.
End of thread.
We still want to mock them and call them out on that. You can mute it if you don't like.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@dcon said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra I was actually talking about the Start > Recent files menu that they introduced back in Win95. I'm pretty sure it was still there in WinXP. AFAICT it's gone now. Frequently accessed folders is not the same.
The start menu now has "Recently added" and "Most used". Both of which can be controlled with options. (It also has Suggestions - which I disable - it's more like ads)
Yeah but that's for Apps, I think she was taking about recent documents.
Ah, right... I'd forgotten about that. It's been a while since I looked at an XP system...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@boomzilla said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@dkf said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@cheong said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
And Wake-On-LAN requires UDP broadcast, which is blocked by default on most routers anyway.
More useful is remote access to some sort of management console, which is definitely a thing with servers but is vanishingly rare in desktops (let alone laptops). Of course, such management consoles have also been found to be ridden with security bugs, so there's that… ;)
Just build them into the hardware. Duh.
Like, Intel Management? You know, the thing that lets you boot and wipe systems remotely without much authentication?
Exactly!
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@boomzilla said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@boomzilla said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@dkf said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@cheong said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
And Wake-On-LAN requires UDP broadcast, which is blocked by default on most routers anyway.
More useful is remote access to some sort of management console, which is definitely a thing with servers but is vanishingly rare in desktops (let alone laptops). Of course, such management consoles have also been found to be ridden with security bugs, so there's that… ;)
Just build them into the hardware. Duh.
Like, Intel Management? You know, the thing that lets you boot and wipe systems remotely without much authentication?
Exactly!
Oh, sorry, didn't see the trolleybus: there...
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@Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
How many times have you seen people randomly typing something and expecting the correct website to open or tell other people to "put Barcelona on the computer and look at the 3rd picture" or something like that.
This is still better than going to google.com by typing in the address, typing the address of another site into the text box, clicking the Search button, and then clicking on the first search result.
And it’s not like I’ve only ever seen one person do this.
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@Gurth I installed Opera on my parent's a machine specifically so I can set up their most commonly used sites on the start page (without risking the browser messing with the layout), and there's also a blatantly obvious search bar labeled
Google
on the top of the page.They still do the dance that you described... For the sites that are on the speed dial...
I love them, but sometimes my crowbar reflex starts kicking in... Just saying...
Filed under: all the tyops!
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@RaceProUK said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
@Arantor said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:
"dramatic voice effect"
I can't help but read it in that 'dramatic movie trailer' voice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3rcrfPeCFIDon't forget this oneeeee:
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@Onyx Opera occasionally messes with the start page (the latest update made everything more rounded, for example, but sometimes it changes how many columns it uses).
I wrote a wrapper around IE for the in-laws. It basically had a start page with links to the bank and email that they used, a search bar, and huge text explaining things.
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@Tsaukpaetra Ah, my bad, just realised Recent Files normally show up in Quick Access as you pointed out, but they don't on my PC because I've disabled that long ago.