Internet of shit
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@anonymous234 said in Internet of shit:
@TimeBandit $4.99 to heat your own house? That would be outrageous and no one would buy it.
Actually, I'd totally pay $4,99 for heating my entire house throughout winter.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Internet of shit:
@TimeBandit I will.
I have a 2013 TV I guarantee you they think that the credentials "root" and "password" are the height of security.
That's 100% secure because:
- Everyone knows that, on internet devices, hackers look for "admin"
- Everyone knows that "password" is such an obvious password that hackers won't even try it. That would waste bandwidth, and bandwidth costs many many dollars (according to the CEO's top-tier fiber optic connection that goes only to his computer, and not the rest of the office)
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@Gribnit said in Internet of shit:
Yeah, but that one wouldn't reliably stop working in case of a power interruption.
This might be an issue where you live, but not where I do.
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My father was aghast when my sister and I mentioned that we watch my food cook over an app. "And you're worried about privacy in the digital age?!" he asked me, incredulous.
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@Luhmann What could be good is an oven with an inbuilt temperature probe thing that you could stick into whatever. Could be a bugger to clean, depending on design.
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I baked yams twice in the June: once with an internal food thermometer plugged in (it comes with the oven), and once without.
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@Luhmann actually, oven-mounted camera is an amazing idea. As long as it only works over LAN.
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@kazitor said in Internet of shit:
@Luhmann What could be good is an oven with an inbuilt temperature probe thing that you could stick into whatever. Could be a bugger to clean, depending on design.
Two years ago, every brand of oven I saw at a commercial fair had this without any Io
TShit shenanigans.But since my oven dates from before that I just use a temperature probe with a thin flexible wire trailing out of the door to the sensor.
As @Gąska says, the camera is the interesting thing for monitoring (ha!).
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@Luhmann said in Internet of shit:
I baked yams twice in the June
Those must have been some burnt-as-shit yams after the second time.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Internet of shit:
Those must have been some burnt-as-shit yams after the second time.
tip: don't go for her bacon
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@kazitor said in Internet of shit:
@Luhmann What could be good is an oven with an inbuilt temperature probe thing that you could stick into whatever. Could be a bugger to clean, depending on design.
I'm pretty sure I saw those before I moved to CA. And that was 23+ years ago.
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@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
@Luhmann said in The Official Status Thread:
are we talking about Teledildonics again?
Nothing wrong with teledildonics as long as you implement it all above a secure transport layer.
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@Gribnit
So those dick picks can be resold securely?
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@Gribnit said in Internet of shit:
@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
@Luhmann said in The Official Status Thread:
are we talking about Teledildonics again?
Nothing wrong with teledildonics as long as you implement it all above a secure transport layer.
All dildonics should strictly be layer 8.
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@Luhmann said in Internet of shit:
@Gribnit
So those dick picks can be resold securely?Psht. That's the crudest form of teledildonics imaginable and arguably wouldn't meet the definition, guess it's time for a definition.
In other news, that sounds really painful ORR like a security concern.
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@swayde said in Internet of shit:
smart security system
Will the public ever learn that smart devices aren't?
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
Will the public ever learn that smart devices aren't?
Not as long as they’re much cheaper than secure ones.
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@Gurth I think a padlock is cheaper than the cheapest smart lock on the market.
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Nearly two years ago, on the afternoon of Monday 16th January 2017, I received an interesting BitFolk support ticket from a non-customer. The sender identified themselves as a senior software engineer at NetThings UK Ltd.
Subject: Specific request for NTP on IP 85.119.80.232
Hi,
This might sound odd but I need to setup an NTP server instance on IP address 85.119.80.232.The Senior Software Engineer continued:
The NTP service was recently shutdown and I am interested to know if there is any possibility of starting it up again on the IP address mentioned. Either through the current holder of the IP address or through the migration of the current machine to another address to enable us to lease 85.119.80.232.
It would be of some use for our manufacturing setup (where the RTCs are initially set) but unfortunately we also have a reasonably large field population (~500 units with weekly NTP calls) that use roaming GPRS SIMs. I don’t know if we can rely on the source IP of the APN for configuring the firewall in this case (I will check though). We are also unable to update the firmware remotely on these devices as they only have a 5MB per month data allowance. We are able to wirelessly update them locally but the timeline for this is months rather than weeks.
Basically it seemed that NetThings UK Ltd made remote controlled thermostats and lighting controllers for large retail spaces etc. And their devices had one of BitFolk’s IP addresses burnt into them at the factory. And they could not be identified or remotely updated.
Oh, and whatever these devices were, without an external time source their clocks would start to noticeably drift within 2 weeks.
By the way, they solved their “burnt into it at the factory” problem by bringing up BitFolk’s IP address locally at their factory to set initial date/time.We are triggering ntp calls on a weekly cron with no client side load balancing. This would result in a flood of calls at the same time every Sunday evening at around 19:45.
Yeah, they made every single one of their unidentifiable devices contact a hard coded IP address within a two minute window every Sunday night.
So that’s the story of NetThings UK Ltd, a brave pioneer of the Internet of Things wave, who thought that the public NTP pool was just an inherent part of the Internet that anyone could use for free, and that the way to do that was to pick one IP address out of it at random and bake that into over a thousand bits of hardware that they distributed around the country with no way to remotely update.
This coupled with their innovative reluctance to pay for anything on time was sadly not enough to let them remain solvent.
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@kazitor
Yeah, but Michael Westen can pick a padlock in about 3 seconds flat. It'll take him twice as long to find a signal with his cell phone to hack your smart lock
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@DCoder quoted in Internet of shit:
their innovative reluctance to pay for anything on time
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@izzion said in Internet of shit:
@kazitor
Yeah, but Michael Westen can pick a padlock in about 3 seconds flat. It'll take him twice as long to find a signal with his cell phone to hack your smart lockThat's why he carries a screwdriver.
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@kazitor said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth I think a padlock is cheaper than the cheapest smart lock on the market.
But you can't unlock a padlock using your cell phone from the other side of the country!
What? Why would you ever need to unlock a lock when you're not there? I don't know, but you can, so it must be better!!!1!1!!
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
@kazitor said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth I think a padlock is cheaper than the cheapest smart lock on the market.
But you can't unlock a padlock using your cell phone from the other side of the country!
What? Why would you ever need to unlock a lock when you're not there? I don't know, but you can, so it must be better!!!1!1!!
To unlock the door for the kids, of course.
Because the same people who won’t let their 12 year old children walk home half a mile at 8pm also won’t give them keys, so, hmm wait, why are they alone at the door again?
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@topspin
No, no, they need to unlock the door to let the kids out, so they can use the outhouse before bed.
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
What? Why would you ever need to unlock a lock when you're not there? I don't know, but you can, so it must be better!!!1!1!!
Because someone else lost / locked their keys in the house. Letting someone (trusted) in who's doing something for you (pets, picking something up, whatever). I'm not going to claim that anything featured in this thread is a good solution or about the frequency of needing to do these things but they are legitimate use cases.
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@boomzilla Legitimate use cases .
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@izzion said in Internet of shit:
@topspin
No, no, they need to unlock the door to let the kids out, so they can use the outhouse before bed.There's got to be some better way. Maybe some kind of internet connected smart outhouse
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@hungrier said in Internet of shit:
internet connected smart outhouse
Because a regular buffer overflow wasn't bad enough.
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@hungrier said in Internet of shit:
There's got to be some better way. Maybe some kind of internet connected smart outhouse
We could look for a way to IoTify one of these:
It could then really lay claim to the name Internet of Shit.
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@Gurth It mostly looks like a mug to me. But I'll try not to drink from it.
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
one of these:
It looks like a really cheap teacup. 🍵
Had to observe the filename to get it.
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@kazitor said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth It mostly looks like a mug to me.
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
It looks like a really cheap teacup. 🍵
Had to observe the filename to get it.
Here’s a slightly more difficult one to play “guess the function” with:
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@Gurth I think it's pretty obvious, I mean I guessed it on the first try based on the shape.
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
@kazitor said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth It mostly looks like a mug to me.
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
It looks like a really cheap teacup. 🍵
Had to observe the filename to get it.
Here’s a slightly more difficult one to play “guess the function” with:
Gravy boat!
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@Gurth gravy boat
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@brie said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth I think it's pretty obvious, I mean I guessed it on the first try based on the shape.
Do tell …
@Gribnit said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth gravy boat
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Gravy boat!
Did you look at the filename this time too?
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Gravy boat!
Did you look at the filename this time too?
It didn't affect my understanding regardless.
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Gravy boat!
Did you look at the filename this time too?
Special gravy!
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
Do tell …
I mean, I did then google "bourdalou", and confirmed that my initial hunch was correct.
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@Gribnit said in Internet of shit:
Nothing wrong with teledildonics as long as you implement it all above a secure transport layer.
If you're into edging, implement your teledildonics on the blockchain.
It will be slow, methodical, will take long breaks to work on something instead of attending to you, and will never finish satisfactorily.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Internet of shit:
@Gribnit said in Internet of shit:
Nothing wrong with teledildonics as long as you implement it all above a secure transport layer.
If you're into edging, implement your teledildonics on the blockchain.
It will be slow, methodical, will take long breaks to work on something instead of attending to you, and will never finish satisfactorily.
Please consider contributing to the RFC in progress.
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@izzion said in Internet of shit:
Michael Westen can pick a padlock in about 3 seconds flat
Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson can open that padlock much faster.
Filed under: I just learned that it isn't Smith & Weston