Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
WTF?
Browsers need a GPU to render a webpage.
Fuck this world.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
WTF?
Browsers need a GPU to render a webpage.
Fuck this world.
How else are you going to do parallax scrolling and fading and stuff?
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Ugh, Windows 7 isn't safe anymore either. Thank you Microsoft for updating and autorebooting and killing the long-running server application I was testing and also needed to test the client end. You've improved my productivity so much.
I JUST WANT MY PC TO CONTINUE DOING EXACTLY WHAT IT'S DOING UNTIL I TELL IT OTHERWISE!!!!
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@mott555 said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
autorebooting
IIRC, you can set some sort of group policy to make reboots possible only when you're not logged in. (Unless you're on the Home edition.)
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@dkf said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@mott555 said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
autorebooting
IIRC, you can set some sort of group policy to make reboots possible only when you're not logged in. (Unless you're on the Home edition.)
Unfortunately I'm not in control of the Active Directory servers for our 4,000-employee multinational corporation. And Microsoft keeps changing what you have to do to block autoupdates and reboots. IT used to have all that blocked for Windows 10 but the Anniversary Updated changed it and they haven't figured out the new method yet.
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So it turns out I don't have some dumbtarded partition of 100gb + 900gb.
Turns out the laptop is one of those combo Spinny + SSD. 1TB Spinny, 128GB SSD.
So there goes my plan to just straight-up use Copyzilla (???) to do a sector-by-sector kill of Windows 10. Not sure how that works with these combo drives.
I may be doing a fresh install of W7, turning my old hard drive into a VM, then start re-installing programs.
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@mott555 said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
I JUST WANT MY PC TO CONTINUE DOING EXACTLY WHAT IT'S DOING UNTIL I TELL IT OTHERWISE
Then you want Linux, preferably without systemd.
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@flabdablet said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Then you want Linux, preferably without syslog
systemd.FTFY
systemd made Linux great #MLGA
systemctl, bootctl, journalctl, ... no more 80s bash script crap
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@mott555 said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Ugh, Windows 7 isn't safe anymore either. Thank you Microsoft for updating and autorebooting and killing the long-running server application I was testing and also needed to test the client end. You've improved my productivity so much.
I JUST WANT MY PC TO CONTINUE DOING EXACTLY WHAT IT'S DOING UNTIL I TELL IT OTHERWISE!!!!
I'm entirely convinced that their new tactic for getting people to install updates and reboot instead of just ignoring the message is by making the Windows Update service (
wuauserv
, grouped with a bunch of other services under a genericsvchost.exe
system process by default) start using 100% of a CPU core.
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@anotherusername said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
making the Windows Update service (wuauserv, grouped with a bunch of other services under a generic svchost.exe system process by default) start using 100% of
a CPU coredisk I/O.At least that's been my recent experience.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
So it turns out I don't have some dumbtarded partition of 100gb + 900gb.
Turns out the laptop is one of those combo Spinny + SSD. 1TB Spinny, 128GB SSD
Typically, the OS can't tell the difference. You'd be fine.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Typically, the OS can't tell the difference
Depends on the drive. Some of them present as two separate SATA drives; some as a single drive with the SSD portion occupying the lower logical block addresses; others present the spinny drive as the whole thing, but use the SSD as a transparent cache.
You don't have a huge amount of choice about how you lay stuff out in the first case, unless you use something like bcache. Bcache tends to work better than the unified cache in a transparent SSD/spinny combo, mainly because it's smart about not bothering to cache files that typically see large sequential accesses. Not sure whether Windows has anything that works as well as either.
The second case is a bit more flexible. You can partition the drive such that the first partition is SSD and the second is spinny, then do a conventional install with separate OS and user volumes. You can do the same kind of bcache setup as with the split drive. You can also just format the whole drive as a single volume and use a decent defragmenter to position frequently-used files at lower block addresses.
If you go the single volume and defragmenter route, it's worth bearing in mind that both Windows and a default installation of MyDefrag will want to put the Master File Table and the NTFS reserved area about 30% of the way into the volume, which is a good compromise on a spinny disk but not so good for something where only the first 12% is SSD. It's pretty easy to persuade MyDefrag to put that stuff inside the SSD portion instead.
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@mott555 said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
I JUST WANT MY PC TO CONTINUE DOING EXACTLY WHAT IT'S DOING UNTIL I TELL IT OTHERWISE!!!!
Unplug it from the mains.
(on laptops may take some time to reach stable state)
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@mott555 said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
I JUST WANT MY PC TO CONTINUE DOING EXACTLY WHAT IT'S DOING UNTIL I TELL IT OTHERWISE!!!!
so...... you want Linux?
(probably 'd, don't care)
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@accalia
The best part of Linux is that you can spend no time setting it up or 100 hours setting it up, and it won't matter! The computer will still be completely unusable for anything other than a webserver!
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@izzion said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
The best part of Linux is that you can spend no time setting it up or 100 hours setting it up, and it won't matter! The computer will still be completely unusable for anything other than a webserver!
That's still one job better than Windows10
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So I thought, hey, maybe I can get used to this pile of shit. I mean, I'm planning on doing gaming. You need Windows 10 for some gaming, right? Maybe I'll finally give in and just give Windows 10 a full and complete chance.
And then my laptop bluescreens at around 8pm tonight. Since then it's been either rebooting, or showing "Preparing automatic repair" with zero progress, or showing a blank light blue screen with gibberish on it (I assume it's TRYING to run the Windows Recovery Console).
It won't go into Safe Mode. Pressing F5 doesn't even do anything.
Made a recovery USB key from my wife's laptop, but it won't boot to it.
Downloading another Microsoft recovery key creator, will try that.
Even opened up the laptop to ensure RAM, hdd, everything was seated right.
OCCASIONALLY I get booted into a bluescreen of death with IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL whatever the fuck that means.
What a way to start 2017. If I can't get this up and running, it's nuke-and-pave back to Windows 7.
Fucking piece of shit.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Made a recovery USB key from my wife's laptop, but it won't boot to it.
You might need to fartarse about with the UEFI settings to allow or even prioritize legacy boot. AFAIK most bootable USB keys still don't boot via EFI.
Edit: if this is a Toshiba laptop, some of those have a setting called "fast boot" that means they'll only ever boot from the internal drive. Turn that off.
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@Lorne-Kates It's F8 to get to the recovery menu, but if your computer boots past it fast enough (== boot drive is an SSD) you probably won't be able to catch it.
My Fast Ring Insider VM bluescreens after installing the last version to which it updated. No clue yet what's going on there. ::sigh::
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
And then my laptop bluescreens at around 8pm tonight. Since then it's been either rebooting, or showing "Preparing automatic repair" with zero progress, or showing a blank light blue screen with gibberish on it (I assume it's TRYING to run the Windows Recovery Console).
I'm tempted to reset my uptime...
But what would be the point?
IRQ Not less or equal usually happens with graphics or ethernet/wifi drivers.
But if the recovery console isn't even booting up... (The windows 10 recovery console is a build of Windows PE that automatically starts the startup troubleshooter, it's as close to safe mode you can get without actually loading the installed OS).
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Made a recovery USB key from my wife's laptop, but it won't boot to it.
On most computers, F12 lets you choose what drive to boot from
OCCASIONALLY I get booted into a bluescreen of death with IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL whatever the fuck that means.
Officially, Microsoft says:
"IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL indicates that Windows or a kernel-mode driver accessed paged memory at an invalid address while at a raised interrupt request level (IRQL). This is typically either a bad pointer or a pageability problem."But the root cause is almost always a hardware problem. Video and RAM seem to be common problems with this.
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So far usb boot just shows spinner not sure if it is actually doing canything. Usb drive light stops flashing. I even dusabled boot to windows in bios. Disabked fast boot. Cant f8 into safe mode. Cant see what is happening since asus spkash screen covers any useful info. Fuvkjng "grmpy cat" assholes. Can hear a fan spinning ar full not sure if cpu or gpu/vid card fan. Will try anither stick of ram if i have one.
Is there a chance this is hardware/warranty?
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@Lorne-Kates Yeah that's really weird, switching to USB boot device should have obviated issues with the installation itself.
If it's stuck at the spinners that usually means it couldn't finish initializing devices, which might be a hardware issue.
If you have the ability, definitely recommend trying for an RMA that doesn't sound like something that even a simple reformat will fix (though I suppose it wouldn't hurt to slot a clean-installed Windows 7 disk on there just in case).
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
So far usb boot just shows spinner
Have you tried booting something saner, like Knoppix?
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Is there a chance this is hardware
Fairly good chance. If the laptop has more than one RAM card, trying them one at a time is definitely worth a shot.
Edit: if it does turn out to be a RAM Card Of Death, there's about a 50% chance you can fix it by carefully polishing the card's gold edge connectors using a white pencil eraser (ink erasers are too abrasive). Just take care not to knock off any tiny little chip capacitors adjacent to the connector, and make sure every tiny crumb of rubber has been blown off before putting the card back in the socket.
If you can get Knoppix to show you its boot splash screen, typing
memtest
at the prompt should get you Memtest86+ and that should tell you whether your RAM is dubious or not.
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@flabdablet said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Memtest86
Did Knoppix. (Had an external DVD drive).
HDD checks out okay.
Memtest passes.
When I did a test that claims it deals with video card ram, it failed horribly. Almost TOO horribly. After a certain point, each time I ran it, it got constant errors on every read. "Expecting FF got (something else)". Not sure if it is the video card, or the tool.
Will try opening laptop again and reseating/cleaning vid card. Otherwise, RMA I guess. Will be pissed if RMA is for video card and they format the hard drive.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Will be pissed if RMA is for video card and they format the hard drive.
One reason why I always take a system image before sending anything off. They're just as likely to "accidentally" run the recovery programs during "troubleshooting" (because it's virtually impossible to run diagnostics on a computer if it hasn't been restored beforehand, right?).
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Will be pissed if RMA is for video card and they format the hard drive.
I've had Dell agree to accept a laptop for repair with the hard drive removed for precisely this reason. Worth checking whether your Asus rep is as accommodating.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
So far usb boot just shows spinner not sure if it is actually doing canything. Usb drive light stops flashing. I even dusabled boot to windows in bios. Disabked fast boot. Cant f8 into safe mode. Cant see what is happening since asus spkash screen covers any useful info. Fuvkjng "grmpy cat" assholes. Can hear a fan spinning ar full not sure if cpu or gpu/vid card fan. Will try anither stick of ram if i have one.
Since when does @accalia writes your post for you ?
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@TimeBandit said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
So far usb boot just shows spinner not sure if it is actually doing canything. Usb drive light stops flashing. I even dusabled boot to windows in bios. Disabked fast boot. Cant f8 into safe mode. Cant see what is happening since asus spkash screen covers any useful info. Fuvkjng "grmpy cat" assholes. Can hear a fan spinning ar full not sure if cpu or gpu/vid card fan. Will try anither stick of ram if i have one.
Since when does @accalia writes your post for you ?
When my laptop is on the fritz and I have to post on my iPhone 4 with no autocorrect and a 2-second lag between pressing a key and it showing up in the decomposer.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
iPhone 4
:doing_it_wr-- oh, right, I'm talking to Mr. FF22.
Carry on, nothing to see here
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Spinny hard drive backed up. But apparently most of the My Documents (or whatever it's called now) was on the SSD. Which is a M.2 form factor slip of silicone.
So I put in an order for an external enclosure so I can back it up.
Once I have that, I have an RMA ready to go. And a bit of fortune, the drop-off depot is 5 min from my office. So that'll save on shipping and headaches.
I guess this isn't TECHNICALLY a W10 fault, but since their diag tools are so shitty, I'm awarding partial blame.
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Got the laptop back. It was the motherboard. So Windows 10 gets a pass on this one.
I want to play games and the Xbone controller synchs nicely. If games make play good easy then Lorne be idiot for longer.
Never say I never try anything new.
Posted from my PalmPilot
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
this isn't TECHNICALLY a W10 fault, but since their diag tools are so shitty, I'm awarding partial blame
To be fair, Windows diag tools have always been shitty; mostly what W10 has done is strip away the last vestiges of the illusion that they're otherwise.
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@flabdablet What at the better tools then.
Hardware problems unless catastrophic usually need a special tool. Anything software related with an OS can be really difficult especially if people have been fucking around with system paths. I did a reinstall recently because while I could unfuck my PC from all the custom crap, it was easier to stick the Windows in and start again.
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Every time I install anything-- and sometimes even when I'm not-- it looks like Explorer keeps crashing.
The icons on the taskbar go blank, the whole task bar flashes, then comes back online (sometimes with the launched programs in a different order).
Windows 10: because doing windows is hard?
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Every time I install anything-- and sometimes even when I'm not-- it looks like Explorer keeps crashing.
The icons on the taskbar go blank, the whole task bar flashes, then comes back online (sometimes with the launched programs in a different order).
Windows 10: because doing windows is hard?
Yeah, definitely Explorer.exe crashing. Some program you're running that has its fingers in it?
This happens to me sometimes with a program called Clover that essentially wraps all Explorer windows in a Chrome-like interface.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
It was the motherboard.
Fucked motherboards can be horrible to diagnose.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Yeah, definitely Explorer.exe crashing. Some program you're running that has its fingers in it?
Or some rogue shell extension. From reading Raymond Chen's blog, I get the impression most shell extensions are written by monkeys who've only just learned how to type without flinging poo at each other.
INB4 "like all other software then"
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@RaceProUK said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
most shell extensions are written by monkeys who've only just learned how to type without flinging poo at each other
I think you're going into this with an elevated expectation of the ability of the average author of a shell extension.
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@dkf said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
It was the motherboard.
Fucked motherboards can be horrible to diagnose.
I had one in a refurbished laptop that killed hard drives. First time we had them replace the hard drive, second time the motherboard.
I still have that laptop somewhere. Though some of you may not want to touch it even if it was your last choice, it runs Vista. :P
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@coderpatsy said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Vista
I actually liked Vista, once the display driver issues were sorted out.
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@RaceProUK said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Yeah, definitely Explorer.exe crashing. Some program you're running that has its fingers in it?
Or some rogue shell extension. From reading Raymond Chen's blog, I get the impression most shell extensions are written by monkeys who've only just learned how to type without flinging poo at each other.
INB4 "like all other software then"
Because writing correctly working she'll extensions is almost as retarded as making a web server in Assembly. And I've done that.
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@RaceProUK said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
I actually liked Vista
IIRC you also own a Windows Phone too, so...
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@loopback0 said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
IIRC you also own a Windows Phone too, so...
I also liked Vista.
But I also use Firefox, so...
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@RaceProUK said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
I actually liked Vista, once the display driver issues were sorted out.
I liked it once they released the service pack that renamed it to Windows 7
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@RaceProUK I disliked Vista for one reason: the excessive shininess in the taskbar and buttons.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
BrowsersAll programs in a standard PC architecture need a GPU to rendera webpageanything.FTFY.
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@anonymous234 IMO Microsoft stroke the "correct" button style with Windows 95/98/XP/2000 (let's deny the existence of the Fisher-Price taskbar).
But then they went mental with glossiness with Windows 7 and super-flat with latter Windowses.
Wtf, UI designers?
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@Zecc said in Lorne has the misfortune of being an idiot by circumstance: my experience with windows 10 so far:
Wtf, UI designers?
It's almost like they get paid to change things...