Random thought of the day
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I finally decided to read it, having seen just fragments before. Got it to Part II yesterday evening before schlep.
A shinin' example of literature it ain't no, guv'nor, but I kind of want to have read it, so I can say I did.Of course, it doesn't really matter. The very fact that I had thought of reading is enough...
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@Applied-Mediocrity the second half of the book is much better.
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@Applied-Mediocrity never read it (everybody knows what’s it about anyway), but a modern take on it centered around the anti-terror legislation I can recommend is Little Brother. While by far not a classic of such impact, I found it entertaining. Apparently it’s free to read now.
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@topspin Ok. I think I can deal with it. Doesn't seem long (the boy has no patience).
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"You're only a rebel from the waist downwards," he told her. She thought this brilliantly witty and flung her arms around him in delight.
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@Applied-Mediocrity yeah, the sex scenes are weird. Forgot about that part. But then, if you lived in
Chinatotalitarian dystopia where your every muscle contraction is recorded by no less than five cameras, you'd start developing weird fetishes too.
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@Gąska said in Random thought of the day:
@Applied-Mediocrity the second half of the book is much better.
I don't remember... Lets just say it wasn't 1984 yet when I read it...
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@dcon said in Random thought of the day:
@Gąska said in Random thought of the day:
@Applied-Mediocrity the second half of the book is much better.
I don't remember... Lets just say it wasn't 1984 yet when I read it...
Now that I think about it, it must be true of most people who read that book.
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I don't rationally think I need to fart.
It's all gut feeling.
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When conservative parents have blind children, what do they tell them about masturbation?
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Interestingly, we have the same saying in French, but about going deaf instead of going blind. I wonder what happens to bilingual children.
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Has Microsoft ever taken a bloated, outdated, or badly designed piece of software and gradually turned it into a better one?
Their development process is append-only. They start from a base, gradually add features, then abandon the project and replace it with a new one and start all over again.
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Raymond Chen would tell you "we can't remove any feature, because there's always a big customer whose workflow depends on it.".
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I'm out of the loop. For which sports team is @Polygeekery working?
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@Zerosquare what sports teams have as a mascot? I am not into sportsing.
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But maybe it was a lame joke.
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Really, what is 11 o'clock but 10 after 10 after 10 after 10 after 10 after 10 after 10?
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@Zerosquare
Given Poly's recently garage-expressed views on furries, it was an attempt at a lame joke.
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@izzion said in Random thought of the day:
@Zerosquare
Given Poly's recently garage-expressed views on furries, it was an attempt at a lame joke.I got it.
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@izzion: actually, I was referencing mine. So, two lame jokes for the price of one.
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@Zerosquare said in Random thought of the day:
@izzion: actually, I was referencing mine. So, two lame jokes for the price of one.
That's a bargain.
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@Gąska said in Random thought of the day:
When conservative parents have blind children, what do they tell them about masturbation?
Hairy palms?
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Does the existence of hijinks indicate the existence of lowjinks?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Random thought of the day:
Does the existence of hijinks indicate the existence of lowjinks?
I was going to say something about hijacks, but first I did a google and found out there's a company called LoJack that specializes in recovering stolen vehicles.
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Why the term “Dunning-Kruger effect” when Kruger, J. is listed as the first author?
Because the “Dunning-Kruger effect” has nothing to with any psychological research conducted by Kruger and Dunning.
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@kazitor what about Kruger, Justin; Dunning, David (1999). "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments". Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 77 (6): 1121–1134. doi:10.1037/0022-3514.77.6.1121?
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@Gąska
What about it?The “Dunning-Kruger effect” as explained by the internet:
The results of Kruger and Dunning (1999):
“Mount Stupid” and the “Valley of Despair”, cornerstones of the “Dunning-Kruger effect” (the airquotes are crucial), are complete internet fabrications with zero empirical basis.
What Kruger and Dunning actually found is that everyone puts themselves in the third quartile; there’s no “oh well now that I know my ignorance I’m actually the smartest.”
Nobody thinks they’re in the bottom half, which I think is a far more interesting result (and not only because it’s the one that’s actually observed!).
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@kazitor I clicked your link and
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@kazitor now I wonder if Dunning or Kruger ever disputed Dunning-Kruger's effect? There has to be some written record of it, and it's like the first thing they'd likely do if they learned about the misconception?
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@Gąska
I think one of them co-authored a paper arguing that the 1999 study was flawed anyway, and later someone else argued that that was wrong and Kruger & Dunning (1999) was useful after all. Social science ¯\_(ツ)_/¯I still don’t know why the names were reversed in the ever-reliable popular culture, but I think the key indicator here is that Kruger and Dunning (1999) were studying perceptions/estimations of relative performance, whereas the Zeitgeist has morphed it into perceptions/estimations of absolute performance, and I don’t know if there’s any basis beyond personal intuition and relentless copying-without-verifying for the latter.
But yeah, I would like to know whether either of the authors are aware of how their research is commonly “interpreted” (quotes because such interpretations never rely on the source material anyway), and what they might have said about it. Presumably they’re satisfied simply to have brought attention to the disparity and brought it to public awareness, without fussing over the actual details like some sort of lifeless loser .
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@kazitor said in Random thought of the day:
I still don’t know why the names were reversed in the ever-reliable popular culture
For the same reason it's Toyota and not Toyoda. It just sounds better.
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@kazitor said:
complete internet fabrications
The wrong distribution is just couple iterations of multiplying the original results by itself. People who are able to be aware of the effect, and are, are likely to overestimate their abilities by placing themselves - quelle surprise - in the third quartile, but are now using as proof that everybody who doesn't agree with their humble self-assessment must be bloody stupid.
I doubt that for a passably functional individual it's possible to "be unaware of it" entirely. Curiously enough, I've seen people whom I would describe as having stupid ideas using it more often. Which means they have to be aware of what it says, but simultaneously able to believe that it magically does not apply to them.
It's a funny paradox that being aware of the effect does not exclude one from effect itself. Doublethink, you know.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Random thought of the day:
It's a funny paradox that being aware of the effect does not exclude one from effect itself. Doublethink, you know.
I find it amusing how your description of people talking about Dunning-Kruger effect being examples of Dunning-Kruger effect uses words "paradox" and "doublethink" completely wrong.
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@Gąska Look at the username. I my own .
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@kazitor said in Random thought of the day:
Nobody thinks they’re in the bottom half, which I think is a far more interesting result (and not only because it’s the one that’s actually observed!).
AKA the Lake Wobegon effect.
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@Gąska said in Random thought of the day:
@kazitor said in Random thought of the day:
I still don’t know why the names were reversed in the ever-reliable popular culture
For the same reason it's Toyota and not Toyoda. It just sounds better.
It sounds "better" because we're used to hearing it presented in that order.
Forumers of a certain age might remember the legendary film critic duo Siskel & Ebert. If you ask people why they think Siskel's name came first, the most common answer is "probably because it sounds better that way?" The actual reason is because they flipped a coin for it and Siskel won.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Random thought of the day:
Forumers of a certain age
might remember
But probably not; CRS is terrible. The only things I remember reliably are things I'd rather forget, like that really embarrassing thing that happened in high school.
the legendary film critic duo Siskel & Ebert.
The only film critics whose opinions I ever considered to be worth more than .
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@kazitor said in Random thought of the day:
I still don’t know why the names were reversed in the ever-reliable popular culture
Because Dunning-Kruger flows better than Kruger-Dunning.
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@HardwareGeek said in Random thought of the day:
like that really embarrassing thing that happened in high school
You know, I don't think anything embarrassing ever happened to me in high school. Hmmm, maybe getting my logmein credentials being sniffed and my programming teacher setting my personal computer's desktop background to Strawberry Shortcake. 💭
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Random thought of the day:
I don't think anything embarrassing ever happened to me in high school.
I can see 3 possible explanations:
a) you're repressing memories
b) you had already exhausted your potential for embarrassment back then
c) your definition of "embarrassing" is significantly different from everyone else'sNo, I'm not telling which explanation I think is the more likely.
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@Zerosquare said in Random thought of the day:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Random thought of the day:
I don't think anything embarrassing ever happened to me in high school.
I can see 3 possible explanations:
a) you're repressing memories
b) you had already exhausted your potential for embarrassment back then
c) your definition of "embarrassing" is significantly different from everyone else'sNo, I'm not telling which explanation I think is the more likely.
I never really had embarrassment. Actually, that leads me into my shower-thought-inspired topic I remembered I wanted to create.
Free here we coooommmeee!
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ObMakeYouFeelOld: In just three years, actor Rossie Harris will be the same age as Peter Graves was when he asked him if he'd ever seen a grown man naked.
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RTotD: how come donuts are a thing, but dobolts are not?
Fake edit: my cursory web search only found this on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/4fdh4h/what_if_there_was_supposed_to_be_a_long_pastry_to/
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@Zecc said in Random thought of the day:
RTotD: how come donuts are a thing, but dobolts are not?
Fake edit: my cursory web search only found this on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/4fdh4h/what_if_there_was_supposed_to_be_a_long_pastry_to/
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All text is sans-serif now. Outside old-fashioned newspapers I can't find a single website that uses a serifed font anywhere.