Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Not in a 3 cylinder 700kg Daihatsu Mira you don't. Provided the battery still has enough charge to operate the ignition, I can roll-start my car on the flat at a slow walking pace.
I bet doing it in a 4802lb curb weight car would be a bit more effort.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Don't you need a hill for that, though?
Not in a 3 cylinder 700kg Daihatsu Mira you don't. Provided the battery still has enough charge to operate the ignition, I can roll-start my car on the flat at a slow walking pace.
But then you'd have Daihatsu all over you.
Mira, Spanish for look:
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I know perfectly well in my head that I don't need to shift from neutral to first when I'm driving my wife's auto
My problem is remembering that there's no clutch pedal. I'll be cruising down the highway, start to take an exit ramp, and want to slow down gradually. My brain wants to downshift, but it forgets I'm in an automatic, and I end up slamming on the break pedal with my left foot.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I've never found operating a manual to be even slightly more onerous than operating an auto,
You must live in a place with no traffic at all. In stop-and-go traffic for like 40-50 minutes at a time, a manual is torture.
@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
so I simply can't justify the extra cost and system complexity.
Automatics might be more "complex" (by your definition, which is wrong) but they're also more efficient and more reliable, so it's not like you're wasting the "complexity" for no benefit.
@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Yeah, that's me. I escaped the city 15 years ago.
"Hey you guys are all insane and retard and stupid and moron because driving manual is fine!!!!!"
"What about X?"
"Well I knew about X but since it doesn't apply to me personally I'm going to double-down on calling you all insane and retard and stupid and moron derp derp derp derp."
"Please die in a fire."
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@Polygeekery said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
You need to learn the difference between correlation and causation.
What would a manual CVT look like exactly?
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
you guys are all insane and retard and stupid and moron
cite please
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
cite please
Ok: my imagination.
Not sure what exactly you want me to cite.
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@HardwareGeek "Look at him and laugh" is pretty much what I'm doing to every other driver every time I fuel up.
My car uses 5l/100km. Pretty sure @blakeyrat's the only one here whose fuel costs are lower than that, and his car would have cost him well over ten times what mine cost me.
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@flabdablet My car doesn't use liters at all, it's a red-blooded American car that takes gallons.
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@NedFodder said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
My brain wants to downshift, but it forgets I'm in an automatic, and I end up slamming on the break pedal with my left foot.
I don't think I ever slammed on the brakes, but I definitely slammed my foot into the floorboard many a time. I also slam my feet onto pedals that aren't there when riding in the passenger seat, much to the annoyance of the driver.
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we always discover when our battery is defective in the worse possible moments
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Not sure what exactly you want me to cite
Any point in this thread where I even hinted that I might think not sharing my choices and personal preferences in cars and transmissions makes a person insane and retard and stupid and moron would do.
Choosing to spend more than I do on transport is not at all the same thing as believing that Donald Trump will Make America Great Again.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Any point in this thread where I even hinted that I might think not sharing my choices and personal preferences makes a person insane and retard and stupid and moron would do.
I can't cite something that never happened.
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
a red-blooded American car
made in Japan. Or am I mistaken in having you down as a Prius owner?
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
My car uses 5l/100km.
Damn, mine doesn't get that, but 36-37mpg is still pretty nice for city mileage.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Or am I mistaken in having you down as a Prius owner?
You are mistaken. And also smelly.
I wouldn't be caught dead in a Prius. I don't even like driving a Japanese car. (Although I did like my Mitsubishi Cordia-L back in the day.)
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
My car uses 5l/100km. Pretty sure @blakeyrat's the only one here whose fuel costs are lower than that
Do you guys have excessive gas taxes like the Euros? I have the same model car as Blakely, except not a hybrid. We looked at our expected mileage and the difference in car price and it just made no sense. Our mileage has been a bit higher but had prices have been much lower, so the hybrid would have been an even worse deal.
Plus you pay for your fuel efficiency with comfort. Fuck that.
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@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I have the same model car as Blakely
point to the conspiracy nuts that think you're both the same person
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
What would a manual CVT look like exactly?
Well, good way to completely change the point of the conversation, but it would just be a lever that as you moved it one way or the other changed the effective ratio of the transmission. Just like on my drill press. Easy peasy. No need for gating, and no need to clutch to change ratios.
Ask a pointless question, get a pointless answer.
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@masonwheeler said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
(And yes, it's still tailgating while stopped, and it's still dangerous, because even if you're stopped, the guy coming up behind you could hit you into the car ahead of you. I've been hit by such a "cue-ball" car before, so this is not simply a theoretical concern to me!)
I was driving an automatic and let my foot off the brake while distracted, which is normally not a bad thing for me, but that ended up with me love-tapping the car in front of me.
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@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I have the same model car as Blakely, except not a hybrid.
The same year too? Because I bought it before fuel prices crashed-- it was worth it then. (Still barely.)
EDIT: or actually maybe not, because I did the math based on the original EPA sticker with they they had to correct-down. But I got a huge refund when the sticker was corrected, so.
@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Plus you pay for your fuel efficiency with comfort. Fuck that.
... huh? What's the "comfort" difference between your car and mine? They're identical except a few cubic feet of trunk space.
What pisses me off most and would benefit both of us in the winter is if they'd spend $3 on an electric heating element so the damned car didn't have to warm up the engine to run the heater in January. Which both takes forever and fucks up the hybrid-ness with pointless idling.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
"Look at him and laugh" is pretty much what I'm doing to every other driver every time I fuel up.
No worries, that is what other drivers are doing to you also when they see your wee lil' golf cart.
@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
My car uses 5l/100km. Pretty sure @blakeyrat's the only one here whose fuel costs are lower than that, and his car would have cost him well over ten times what mine cost me.
Who cares? Fuel is cheap. I could drive a little shitbox and get better than the 18mpg I get now, but I prefer to be comfortable.
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@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
having 70 Takata air bags
Oye! I'm not an... Oh that's an actual company? Huh, TIL...
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
The same year too? Because I bought it before fuel prices crashed-- it was worth it then. (Still barely.)
I bought mine in February 2014. But with a big daily commute, you probably put a lot more miles on there.
As to the comfort, I was replying to @flabdablet in that post. He drives another golf cart simulator.
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@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
But with a big daily commute, you probably put a lot more miles on there.
Yours is 18 months newer than mine. Mine was like the first out of the factory with the new cool design.
Oh and my commute is all on buses. I only put a couple miles on each day driving to the park-and-ride. Shortly after I bought it, I was doing a daily driving commute to Bellevue and that was pretty long.
@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
As to the comfort, I was replying to @flabdablet in that post.
Gotcha.
Well the crappy heater still pisses me off. I have a buddy with a Kia he bought for like $8000 in 1998 and it has a electric heating element for instant-on heat. South Korea doesn't even get that cold.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
having 70 Takata air bags
Oye! I'm not an... Oh that's an actual company? Huh, TIL...
Yeah, those are the ones that have been recalled from an ungodly number of cars. (about 34M in the US) When deploying they can kill you.
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@dcon said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
having 70 Takata air bags
Oye! I'm not an... Oh that's an actual company? Huh, TIL...
Yeah, those are the ones that have been recalled from an ungodly number of cars. (about 34M in the US) When deploying they can kill you.
I'd like to think I'm safe for use.... Wait, we're not talking about me, huh?
Dodged a bullet there...
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Polygeekery said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
You need to learn the difference between correlation and causation.
What would a manual CVT look like exactly?
We used to have a John Deere tractor with a CVT. There was a hand lever to set the engine RPM, and the foot pedal adjusted the CVT from disengaged to max.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
having 70 Takata air bags
Oye! I'm not an... Oh that's an actual company? Huh, TIL...
Haha, didn't even think of your name. Yep, it's a real company that has made millions of air bags, some of which have killed several people upon deployment. Over the past many months, several car companies are recalling a shitload of cars to replace the, ahem, defective air bags. This recall will continue for many months also. I'd be fine with an option to disable the air bags, but no, the gummint sees fit to require me and mine to play Russian Roulette should I get in an accident that triggers the bags. Safety, you know.
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@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Polygeekery said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
You need to learn the difference between correlation and causation.
What would a manual CVT look like exactly?
We used to have a John Deere tractor with a CVT. There was a hand lever to set the engine RPM, and the foot pedal adjusted the CVT from disengaged to max.
Now that I think about it, basically every single belt driven lawn tractor has a manually selected CVT. Those gates on the shifter matter fuck-all. It is CVT.
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@anotherusername said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Groaner said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@FrostCat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
it's kind of fun smoking people with sports cars in my minivan because they can't upshift without losing all forward momentum.
I would very much like to see your minivan smoke my sports car. A kid working in the timeslip booth at the local dragstrip berated* me for only trapping 108 MPH (on a hot summer evening with the engine conveniently heatsoaked), suggesting that minivans were capable of such speeds (when built up and probably nowhere near street legal). So you should stand a chance!
I've done 108 in a minivan before. Granted, it was down a pretty long hill. IIRC the speedo pegged at 100, so I'm guessing a bit, but yeah.
But did you get to 108 in a quarter mile from a standing start (which is what the idiot kid was implying)?
A 5000lb raceweight (4800lbs car + ~200 lbs driver) vehicle would require about 491 wheel horsepower to trap 108. So, such a vehicle would have to be heavily modified with weight loss, more power, or a combination of the two. In short, not a stock minivan, and probably something not street-legal or even something you'd want to drive on the street.
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I wouldn't be caught dead in a Prius.
Then I unreservedly withdraw the implied insult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyV03FmRAaU
So which hybrid do you run?
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@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Do you guys have excessive gas taxes like the Euros?
Depend what you mean by "excessive".
It's currently costing me $1.30 a litre, 12 cents of which is GST (which has replaced all other forms of sales tax) and 40 cents is fuel excise.
@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
you pay for your fuel efficiency with comfort
I'm six foot tall, almost certainly fatter than you, and find my little Mira very comfortable to drive. It's just a really well-designed little machine.
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@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Groaner said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I could also just not buy automatic transmissions but all the truck manufacturers took that choice away already.
Because modern automatics are better in almost every way?
Haha, no, because EPA and CARB have mandated that consumer vehicles get as much gas mileage as a fucking motorcycle within ten years, while also having 70 Takata air bags and other "safety" shit that adds to the weight, and manual transmissions are too "inefficient" to help the cartels meet those fatwas.
I thought those mandates were more like "guidelines," and that fleet averages could offset gas guzzlers?
Also, I like the idea of CARB, just not the implementation. The testing costs for aftermarket parts are so high that only the bigger companies can afford to sell, and the requirements on having all OEM emissions equipment are silly. Any part which doesn't increase emissions (or even reduces them) beyond a certain level should be allowed. None of this nonsense about "can't get catted long tube headers because they would 'move' the catalytic converters from their stock position," or "can't use a CAI because it doesn't use the exact carbon trap from the stock airbox."
On the other hand, my car makes 100 wheel horsepower over stock and is still CARB-legal....
As far as automatic vs. manual, the sixth gen Camaro does 12.3@116 in the auto vs. 12.5@115 in the manual, with ostensibly the same powertrain in all other respects. That seems better to me.
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@kt_ said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Fox said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@blek Ugh, I just saw someone wearing one this weekend.
You should've taken a picture.
With you iPhone.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Do you guys have excessive gas taxes like the Euros?
Depend what you mean by "excessive".
It's currently costing me $1.30 a litre, 12 cents of which is GST (which has replaced all other forms of sales tax) and 40 cents is fuel excise.
That sounds excessive. Not far off what I pay per gallon, so roughly four times the amount.
@boomzilla said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
you pay for your fuel efficiency with comfort
I'm six foot tall, almost certainly fatter than you, and find my little Mira very comfortable to drive. It's just a really well-designed little machine.
I believe you, but I don't believe I'd have a similar experience.
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@Groaner said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
I thought those mandates were more like "guidelines,"
If EPA and CARB issued guidelines rather than rules that carried penalties, then VW wouldn't be in a world of pain right now for their emissions "cheating" (that was really trying to get around the watermelon bullshit).
fleet averages could offset gas guzzlers
Last I heard, CAFE standards mandate a 54.5 mpg average for fleets by 2025. And of course, remember that more and more "safety" shit that adds weight is mandated each and every year.
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@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Polygeekery said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
You need to learn the difference between correlation and causation.
What would a manual CVT look like exactly?
We used to have a John Deere tractor with a CVT. There was a hand lever to set the engine RPM, and the foot pedal adjusted the CVT from disengaged to max.
I've got a manual CVT on my pushbike.
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@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Last I heard, CAFE standards mandate a 54.5 mpg average for fleets by 2025. And of course, remember that more and more "safety" shit that adds weight is mandated each and every year.
Damn. My 250cc, 350-pound, 20-horsepower motorcycle can barely get 54.5 mpg.
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@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Now I wonder how well a nonfunctional iWatch clone would sell...
Put an analog clock mechanism into it and score fine grid lines into the inner side of the glass so it looks like an LCD.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
manufacturers and dealers are having a tough time getting sales [of CVTs]
Maybe they should organise something like this:
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@Fox said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@Gurth I'm still waiting for my lightsaber-breadknife-toaster, tbh.
ETA: After a quick google, I think I'll keep waiting...
Have you seen what could possibly BE lightsaber technology.
It'll never be... "safe".
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@xaade Halo-style energy swords made of plasma shaped by powerful magnetic fields, or actual lasers that actually shoot off into space rather than stopping a few feet from the hilt? Yeah, probably not going to be "safe" any time soon. I don't know about "never", but... probably not any time in the next several centuries at least.
I also long ago had the idea of several smaller, weaker lasers in a circle angled around the edge of the hilt, pointing towards the center, and tuned to just the right strength that when the lasers meet, they carry enough combined energy superheat the air around that meeting point, but not enough on their own to do anything, but that's not going to be feasible or safe any time soon, either.
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
South Korea doesn't even get that cold.
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@Fox said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@xaade Halo-style energy swords made of plasma shaped by powerful magnetic fields, or actual lasers that actually shoot off into space rather than stopping a few feet from the hilt? Yeah, probably not going to be "safe" any time soon. I don't know about "never", but... probably not any time in the next several centuries at least.
Not even then. Keep one important fact in mind: anywhere there is stored energy, the possibility for catastrophic release of that energy exists. This is true for anything from potential energy (a vase on a shelf) to chemical energy (people have been killed trying to poke around inside of lithium batteries) to nuclear power (atomic bombs).
For a plasma sword to exist, you need a portable power source that carries enough stored energy to create and continuously maintain a focused plasma beam. If it's small enough and light enough to fit inside of a lightsaber, that's a terrorist's dream come true...
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@masonwheeler Yes, but there is a possibility that, sometime in the future, we develop some super-strong material capable of safely containing that much energy, or some method of safely redirecting that catastrophic release away from the user and any bystanders. Likely? Hell no. At all feasible with current technology? Also hell no. Possible sometime in the future? Yup, certainly possible.
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@mott555 said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Last I heard, CAFE standards mandate a 54.5 mpg average for fleets by 2025. And of course, remember that more and more "safety" shit that adds weight is mandated each and every year.
Damn. My 250cc, 350-pound, 20-horsepower motorcycle can barely get 54.5 mpg.
Indeed. But not to worry, car companies will drag the average up by making electric cars by the shitload. Never mind the bit about how the electricity for those is generated in the first place... or whether they'll be economical to buy, maintain and charge up...
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@blakeyrat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Automatics [are] more efficient and more reliable [than manual]
Cite, please, at least for the "more reliable". I can potentially buy the efficient bit, although even then if you allow "manual" up and downshifting like every automatic I've driven in the last few years you're no better.
@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
My car uses 5l/100km. Pretty sure @blakeyrat's the only one here whose fuel costs are lower than that, and his car would have cost him well over ten times what mine cost me.
I'd suggest that most anyone outside of the US driving a recent vehicle will, indeed, point at 5L/100 and laugh. Because it's shit. I can only go that high if I thrash the car well into the "dangerous driving" range, and I'm doing half a mile vertical over 10 miles (and thus, largely, on a cold engine) on my commute.
Like the sound of your bike, though.
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@lolwhat said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Never mind the bit about how the electricity for those is generated in the first place
If you run the numbers, you find that running a Tesla on coal fired electricity still emits less total CO2 than running a comparably capable car on gasoline.
This is essentially because coal-fired power plants don't need to be optimized for small size, light weight and variable operating speed. Fuel is their major operating cost, so they're optimized for reduced consumption of that. Modern coal-fired thermal electricity generators get about as close to the theoretical maximum amount of energy extracted per kg of fossil fuel consumed as is feasible for a thermal engine.
Losses for transmission, battery charge roundtrip and electric to mechanical conversion in the car motor are comparable to those involved in refining gasoline from crude.
Obviously the numbers get much better if the electricity comes from something cleaner than coal. In particular, quite a lot of cars end up parked in the middle of the day which makes charging them a good use for solar PV.
Given that electric cars are mechanically simpler than gas burners, I can think of no reason why they shouldn't end up costing less once they're being manufactured at similar scale.
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@flabdablet said in Hackers Make the First-Ever Ransomware for Smart Thermostats:
Given that electric cars are mechanically simpler than gas burners, I can think of no reason why they shouldn't end up costing less once they're being manufactured at similar scale.
I'd love to have an electric car, but...
- It can't pull a trialer
- A "fill up" takes a substantial amount of time
Which means I would need to own 2 cars. Which makes it economically stupid - for me.