Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks
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@loopback0 If anything, I type lightly. I often have trouble getting keystrokes to register on standard keyboards because I'm used to mechanicals with lighter switches.
I'm guessing none of you guys actually type when you work. Must be programming with speech recognition or something. "Cortana, create me a new C++ class..."
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@abarker said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@Polygeekery said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
I have never worn out a membrane keyboard. Ever.
Me either.
I've worn out one keyboard, but it took me about 4 years. Oddly, it was the Shift keys that stopped working …
LUCKILY THERE'S STILL CAPS LOCK, UNLESS YOU NEED SYMBOLS IN WHICH CASE YOU'RE SOL.
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@RaceProUK said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@Lorne-Kates Because typing on touchscreen sucks foetid donkey balls
Luddite. A touch screen is sleek and elegant. It can be used like a tablet for the busy CEO on the go.
Visual Studio supports touchscreen, so you should be coding with a touchscreen.
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
instead of the usual urea my keyboard can take it.
Why do you know this?
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@Greybeard said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@CarrieVS said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
That's what pull-ups are for.
Didn't work for us.
Anyway, the point is that potty training is not the milestone when one is through with such affairs.
I always thought potty training wasn't done until you were past that part. What you described I'd call "in progress".
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@mikehurley said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
instead of the usual urea my keyboard can take it.
Why do you know this?
fun fact, cat piss is about three times more corrosive than human piss. my keyboard survived that cat, no problem.
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
fun fact, cat piss is about three times more corrosive than human piss. my keyboard survived that cat, no problem.
The keyboard might have survived the cat, but the cat would not have survived the keyboard if they had done it to me...
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@mott555 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@Lorne-Kates said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
coding with a touchscreen.
If you have a touch screen device, then chances are, like me, you find yourself reaching out more and more to tap the screen instead of reaching for your mouse. If so, you will love the new touch support in the code editor of Visual Studio 2015 allows you to select code, bring up the context menu, or zoom in and our using touch!
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@mott555 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@loopback0 If anything, I type lightly. I often have trouble getting keystrokes to register on standard keyboards because I'm used to mechanicals with lighter switches.
So when you engage "membrane keyboard mode", you ratchet up the force to about 50 times what it needs to be, probably. Either that, or the problem is that you aren't pressing hard enough, Mr Feather Fingers.
@mott555 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
"Cortana, create me a new C++ class..."
That would require something newer than WIndows 7.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
If you have a touch screen device, then chances are, like me, you
find yourself reaching out more and more to tap the screen instead of reaching for your mousehave fucking smudges all over your screen.
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@Polygeekery said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
fun fact, cat piss is about three times more corrosive than human piss. my keyboard survived that cat, no problem.
The keyboard might have survived the cat, but the cat would not have survived the keyboard if they had done it to me...
the cat learned.... not quick, but it learned.
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@Polygeekery said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
fucking smudges
Lube gets everywhere, man
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@Lorne-Kates I like touchscreens as a supplement to keyboard/mouse, but definitely not as a replacement.
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@mott555 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@Lorne-Kates I like touchscreens as a supplement to keyboard/mouse, but definitely not as a replacement.
At least not until they bring out mechanical touchscreens?
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@mott555 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@Lorne-Kates I like touchscreens as a supplement to keyboard/mouse, but definitely not as a replacement.
Step 1, make a touchscreen-like interface
Step 2, add touchscreen support...
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@mikehurley said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
I always thought potty training wasn't done until you were past that part. What you described I'd call "in progress".
Nope, "potty trained" means they've been trained to use the potty. It doesn't mean they're good at it. And overnight is a whole 'nother milestone.
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@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@mott555 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@Lorne-Kates I like touchscreens as a supplement to keyboard/mouse, but definitely not as a replacement.
At least not until they bring out mechanical touchscreens?
Actually Apple and others are working on screens which slightly raise themselves to give the feeling of separate "islands", and they provide some kind of haptic feedback which makes you feel like you just buckled a key. I believe they're already using the latter for the trackpad.
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@JBert said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
I believe they're already using the latter for the trackpad.
they are. while an interesting concept our entire finger paint department rebelled at the feature and made us disable it on their new macbooks.
fscking special snowflakes that absolutely need to use a mac to properly design using CREATEIVE CLOUD software that runs in their browser, and so get laptops that cost 3 to 5 times as much as our standard issue ones, yet are exactly 0% more functional than our standard issue laptops.
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What haptic feedback is this? My Macbook just has a trackpad which sorta clicks.
I assume whatever this is was added to the latest generation.edit: Ohhhh, Force Touch like on the iPhones. Mine doesn't have that, although it's not terrible on iPhones.
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
get laptops that cost 3 to 5 times as much as our standard issue ones, yet are exactly 0% more functional than our standard issue laptops.
Mine doesn't run Windows - there's already a functional improvement right there
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@JBert said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
Actually Apple and others are working on screens which slightly raise themselves to give the feeling of separate "islands", and they provide some kind of haptic feedback which makes you feel like you just buckled a key. I believe they're already using the latter for the trackpad.
I remember reading about this in 2010 from Nokia. They used electric charges to simulate the "feel" of icons. Sounds really cool:
The effect is thought to be due to the varying electrostatic attraction between the metal and the deeper, liquid-rich conducting layers of the skin – an effect which changes the perceived friction level.
To mimic this is in a touchscreen phone, Nokia placed two thin layers above the LCD display: the first a transparent conductor, indium tin oxide, and the second a transparent insulator, hafnium oxide. When the user cradles the phone in one hand and touches the screen with the fingers of their other hand, they effectively create a closed circuit. If the indium tin oxide is excited at frequencies between 50 and 200 hertz, the finger above the touchscreen is attracted towards the screen with varying strength, generating the textured effect.
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@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
Mine doesn't run Windows - there's already a functional improvement right there
macs in an otherwise windows only office is not a functional improvement. use mac at home if you like, but when there's 13 mac users in an office with 220 employees and they take a FULL THIRD of our ENTIRE HARDWARE BUDGET to service each year...... fuck them. they can pull up their big girl panties and use windows like the rest of us. I'll even install safari for them and put a custom mac-alike skin on their desktop so they can have a familiar experience as they navigate their way to the web browser they will do their entire job in.
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
macs in an otherwise windows only office is not a functional improvement
It's like I wasn't being serious...
@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
use mac at home if you like
I don't - it's a work laptop. In a Windows environment. It's even joined to an Active Directory domain.
<100 Mac users, >14000 employees.@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
they take a FULL THIRD of our ENTIRE HARDWARE BUDGET to service each year
What sort of service are they getting that costs any money each year?
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
use mac at home if you like, but when there's 13 mac users in an office with 220 employees and they take a FULL THIRD of our ENTIRE HARDWARE BUDGET to service each year
Sounds like your hardware budget is a bit small and the rest of the employees are putting up with crappy kit.
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@Polygeekery said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
Macs not having a standard Delete key
fn+←
Recent Mac systems have been really tuned around laptops, much more than Windows ever was.
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@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
What sort of service are they getting that costs any money each year?
i have NFC.
the more important question is why do we put up with it?
@dkf said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
Sounds like your hardware budget is a bit small and the rest of the employees are putting up with crappy kit.
tell me something i don't know.
my work laptop up until this week is a clunker that's barely able to run windows, freezes constantly for no reason, and has been out of it's 5 year warranty for about 18 months.
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@dkf I always forget that, mostly because mine spends a lot of time connected to a Windows keyboard where the Delete key works.
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@dkf said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
Recent Mac systems have been really tuned around laptops, much more than Windows ever was.
Yeah, to the extent they ship their desktops with fucking laptop keyboards.
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@dkf I know that Fn and the Delete key does what Delete does on a Windows PC. I want a separate key that does that action. It also contorts your finger to try and do it on my MacBooks.
That is the reason I bought a Logitech K750 for my iMac. Partly so I could have a Delete key that does what I want it to. :)
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
the more important question is why do we put up with it?
The most important question is actually is being paid for - because it sounds like someone is being sold something that isn't required.
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@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
The most important question is actually is being paid for -
well there's the laptops, those cost a lot of money and the finger paint is on a 2 year replacement cycle when the rest of us are on a "is it broken yet? no? then no upgrade for you" replacement cycle.
no i don't get that either.
then there's the mac servers, we need three of those apparently, because apparently the Active Directory sync/authentication stuff doesn't play nice with the exchange server for mac, and then we need one to provide a citrix-esque remote desktop environment...... i don't understand half the words they used, but it all sounds like snakeoil to me, but we pay it because it's still cheaper than employing someone who actually knows apple stuff to do this.
particularly when according to the metrics those three servers are idle approximately 100% of the time.
and then there's the maintenance costs. because wouldn't you know it the finger paint department is prone to dropping their incredibly expensive laptops, or spilling coffee on them, or sitting on them.....
yeah.... all for 9 designers, their three bosses, and the one VP who brownnoses the chairman of the board so much i'm surprised they're actually separate entities these days.
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@Polygeekery said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
I want a separate key that does that action.
Most users highlight (which you can do while moving multiple characters at once) and backspace. You can also get the full external keyboard, some models of which have a Delete IIRC. (I've got one at work, but I hardly ever use it and can't remember exactly what it has on it in that area between main keyboard and number pad.)
FWIW, I got used to using a laptop keyboard years ago and wouldn't switch back. I find that they're better than the separate keyboards I was using before for my wrists, as they force me to lift my arms into a proper position. As I was on the edges of RSI before that, I was overjoyed that the pain went away.
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@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
edit: Ohhhh, Force Touch like on the iPhones. Mine doesn't have that, although it's not terrible on iPhones.
(They totally stole that from Windows Phone.)
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@Lorne-Kates said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
If you have a touch screen device, then chances are, like me, you find yourself reaching out more and more to tap the screen instead of reaching for your mouse. If so, you will love the new touch support in the code editor of Visual Studio 2015 allows you to select code, bring up the context menu, or zoom in and our using touch!
Perfect for the Prebug developer! Fix your code before it crashes!
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
I'll even install safari for them
Really?
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@Polygeekery said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
Their bosses measure office productivity with a decibel meter.
I'm sure I could find a recording somewhere. Too lazy... (but I'm pretty sure someone will!)
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
well there's the laptops, those cost a lot of money
Duh. I meant the "yearly service" thing.
@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
on a 2 year replacement cycle
That's idiotic.
@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
apparently the Active Directory sync/authentication stuff doesn't play nice with the exchange server for mac,
Massive lie.
@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
we pay it because it's still cheaper than employing someone who actually knows apple stuff to do this.
There you go. The problem isn't the Mac, the problem is your company trying to support something they can't, so relying on people interested in either selling or buying stuff.
@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
because wouldn't you know it the finger paint department is prone to dropping their incredibly expensive laptops, or spilling coffee on them, or sitting on them.....
People do that with Windows computers too.
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
my keyboard survived that cat, no problem.
But did the cat survive?
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
when there's 13 mac users in an office with 220 employees
our office is inverted. That means I can pretty much custom order anything I want because it's still going to be cheaper... (new machine every 2 years)
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@dcon said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
my keyboard survived that cat, no problem.
But did the cat survive?
Yes and no.
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@dkf said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
Macs not having a standard Delete key
fn+←
a standard Delete key.
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
my work laptop up until this week is a clunker that's barely able to run windows, freezes constantly for no reason, and has been out of it's 5 year warranty for about 18 months.
It sounds like the users who insist on Mac have the right idea... Mac is the ticket out of clunker hell.
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@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
That's idiotic.
We aim for a 4–5 year replacement cycle for laptops. A bit longer for desktops. Servers, highly variable. (We've got some that are 15 years old or more. Because raisins.)
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@blakeyrat said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
Really?
why not? it's in the standard computer image anyway.
why? not sure. but if you want safari you can has it.
though i expect it will be removed soon as apparently apple stopped supporting it.
it'll probably get replaced with a reskinned chrome install and called close enough.
@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
That's idiotic.
yes, it is.
@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
Massive lie.
i assumed so.
@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
he problem is your company trying to support something they can't
no, the problem is IT is being forced to support something we're not being given the resources to support, despite our vociferous objections.
@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
People do that with Windows computers too.
yes, but with windows the laptops cost us about 650-750 a pop, instead of 1.8k to 2.6k.
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
no, the problem is IT is being forced to support something we're not being given the resources to support, despite our vociferous objections.
Tom-ay-toe, tom-ah-toe.
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
why not? it's in the standard computer image anyway.
Because it hasn't been supported for like 5 years? That's not a good enough reason?
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@blakeyrat said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
That's not a good enough reason?
/shrug
i'm not the one that decides what's in the image, nor am i the one that controls how we disburse our budget.
if i was i wouldn't be complaining about this shite.
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@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
What sort of service are they getting that costs any money each year?
i have NFC.
What does Near Field Communication have to do with it?
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@abarker said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@accalia said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
@loopback0 said in Mechanical keyboards, now available at food trucks:
What sort of service are they getting that costs any money each year?
i have NFC.
What does Near Field Communication have to do with it?
dude..... you don't know?
wait....
you're not with them are you? you're not an agent of the man, come to steal us away from this paradise?!
you are, aren't you?!
get away from me!
BACK!!
GET THEE BEHIND ME DEMON!