Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.
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@bb36e I wonder if there's an easy way to downgrade the free Dell Inspiron 15 to a legal copy of Windows 7...
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@bb36e said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
sabotage the install process...
Easy: make sure the processor doesn't support PAE. Windows made that a requirement as of 8.1
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@Tsaukpaetra Then it isn't 'compatible' as per rules.
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@Arantor hmm...is it possible to mess around with the UEFI software in such a way that Windows ends up bricking the system somehow?
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@bb36e You mean, hand it over ready booted, but with bricked UEFI so on reboot it will fail? Probably. I'm not enough of an expert on UEFI stuff to know if that's possible, let alone whether it would pass the 'congrats, your laptop is compatible with Windows
EATS-CHILDREN-AND-IS-LITERALLY-WORSE-THAN-HITLER10.
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@bb36e said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@Zecc hmm...I wonder if there's an easy way to sabotage the install process...
Probably. But then they'd say "it's not compatible!" and
throw it awayrecycle it. Not a good outcome.(as d by @Tsaukpaetra)
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@bb36e said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@Arantor hmm...is it possible to mess around with the UEFI software in such a way that Windows ends up bricking the system somehow?
I guess you'd end up with clean install and all your data gone.
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@Zecc said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
If your PC isn’t compatible, you can recycle it for a $150 credit towards a new PC
So, if you find an XP era PC at a charity shop or something, you can buy it for next to nothing, fail to upgrade it and get $150 off an actual new PC? Sounds like when I bought a £20 vacuum cleaner to get £50 trade in on a Dyson
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@Jaloopa said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
So, if you find an XP era PC at a charity shop or something, you can buy it for next to nothing, fail to upgrade it and get $150 off an actual new PC?
It occurs to me that I have an XP-era PC sitting on my kids' computer desk at home. I couldn't upgrade it to 7 because there are no post-XP drivers for the hardware, so it should be a safe bet...
Hmm, fine print says
Devices must be running Windows 8 or newer.
Guess they thought of that one. (It also has to basically be in full working order, with all parts and accessories, and not have any modifications or a broken warranty seal.)
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Devices must be running Windows 8 or newer
bugger.
Are there even any Windows 8 compatible PCs that don't run 10? I thought they were carrying on with the trend since 7 of making it lighter weight each version?
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@bb36e said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@Zecc hmm...I wonder if there's an easy way to sabotage the install process...
Maybe, you can try to set the LCID to non-existant value. (Not tried here, just to make some suggestion)
But greater chance if you can throw some random 16-bit component in your GINA client.
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@Jaloopa Pretty sure that's the point. I mean, they're offering the free upgrade for 7, but the "if it's not compatible" offer doesn't apply to 7. That says to me that they're pretty damn sure that anything that can successfully run 8 is going to be compatible, but 7 poses more risks.
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@Scarlet_Manuka if I was bored, this would encourage me to get a massively stripped down version of 8 on something clearly not suited to it, and nurse it along to the point where it's just about running.
Of course, the time this would take (and the Win8 license) would be worth far more than the trade in price. That's not the point any more
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@Jaloopa said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Sounds like when I bought a £20 vacuum cleaner to get £50 trade in on a Dyson
Did you try out the £20 vac first? I have a flea market Sanyo machine that has outlasted two Dysons and sucks better besides.
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
sucks better besides
denied. Too easy
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@Jaloopa said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Too easy
I was cleaning the shed and I slipped
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
I was cleaning the shed
who the hell cleans their shed ... everybody knows you only paint those fuckers.
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@Luhmann That's why my pants were off. I didn't want to get paint on them.
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
That's why my pants were off. I didn't want to get paint on them
unlike john here...
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Go to the end of the article for a pretty good summary of Microsoft's forced upgrade fuckery.
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@cartman82 seriously, the timeline at the bottom is the sort of shit you'd expect from the people who write those adware-infested installers.
The fuck is Micro-Soft thinking?
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@cartman82 I can't wait to see where this goes after the offer expires.
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I wonder what they would do if you brought in a Mac running Windows 8 in Bootcamp. Would they know how to update it?
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@bb36e said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
The fuck is Micro-Soft thinking?
Hey, I bet we could save a few bucks by outsourcing this updater app to an advertising agency!
Great idea! Plus, we wouldn't have to listen to all that whining from Engineering!
Make it so.
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@slapout1 they probably don't technically support Macs.
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@bb36e Maybe, but Mac is known to support windows well
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@slapout1 sure, the upgrade itself runs normally.
I have a 17" MBP from the Late 2011 era and I had some futzing over the keyboard and display drivers but otherwise it didn't seem to matter any.
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First comment that shows on Slashdot for "Microsoft Faces Two New Lawsuits Over Aggressive Windows 10 Upgrade Tactics":
Usually a comment there only get to +5 being a very well written and interesting comment, this one is an exception.
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The Windows updates that add the taskbar thingy that lets you update to Windows 10 are gone.
Now how will I know I should upgrade? And it's not even the 30th of July yet.
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@slapout1 said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
in Bootcamp
This expression bothers me. Windows doesn't run "in" Bootcamp at all. Bootcamp, AIUI, is just a bunch of drivers and helper software to let Windows run on Macs. And I'd expect the update from Windows 8 to work the exact same way as in any other computer.
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@Zecc said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Now how will I know I should upgrade?
You should upgrade several months ago.
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@groo said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Usually a comment there only get to +5 being a very well written and interesting comment
Thanks. I needed a good laugh today.
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@mott555 said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
I am really starting to hate Windows 10. I've had two ruined weekends in a row. The first weekend, I woke up early and had a few hours to get some stuff done before my friends showed up. I powered up my PC, and suddenly 6 hours of Windows Updates using the Windows install interface that made it look like a fresh install!!! I did catch up on some reading, but dangit I had plans!
Then, the next weekend I was traveling and brought my laptop. This laptop gets powered on maybe once per 6 weeks. I started working on one of my Node.js apps, and had absolutely terrible performance like I'd never seen before. After an hour or two of debugging, I couldn't find anything wrong with my code, when I finally discovered the Windows Update Service was eating 95% of my CPU (this laptop is a dual-core 1.2 GHz "i7"). I could not find out how to pause this, and ended up getting no real work done that day either.
What worked for me, was to disable the BITS service. But your results may vary, but I've seen that before.
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@GinoMan said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
the BITS service...
... has some very weird and "wonderific" failure modes indeed.
have you run across the one where it shits on your harddrive filling it up with thesn of billions of 1KB temporary files until you run out of either disk space or directory entries? (inodes? FAT slots? you know, those things NTFS uses to say where the files actually are)
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@GinoMan said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
BITS
That's the second worst file transfer system ever shipped by Microsoft. It's only not the worst because there's also Games for Windows Live, which managed to get stuck because it didn't like my network MTU despite using TCP/IP...
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@accalia I managed to somehow brick it on a fresh reinstall of Windows 7 (factory default) and after trying a half dozen fixes online I just gave up and reinstalled again, and then carefully let it do nothing but download and install updates. I don't even know what bricked it the first time.
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@LB_ said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
I don't even know what bricked it the first time.
That would have been your Something going wrong. Apparently it does that now.
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@Zecc said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
The Windows updates that add the taskbar thingy that lets you update to Windows 10 are gone.
Now how will I know I should upgrade? And it's not even the 30th of July yet.
Microsoft said they were ending it on the 29th. I don't remember them specifying what TIME it ended.
Having said that, if you really still want it, you can still get a free Windows 10 upgrade from Microsoft's Accessibility site.
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@powerlord said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Microsoft said they were ending it on the 29th. I don't remember them specifying what TIME it ended.
For me, it seems to have been midnight. I'm not sure if that was local time or Microsoft HQ time, since those are the same thing for me.
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And now it's time for everyone who didn't upgrade to start whining because they'll have to pay for an upgrade.
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@FrostCat speaking as someone who uses both 7 and 10, I won't!
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@bb36e said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@FrostCat speaking as someone who uses both 7 and 10, I won't!
So, pirate then?
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@Tsaukpaetra nah, my desktop runs 7 while my lappy is on 10 :D
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My ubuntu nagged me for the next lts version today. I chose not doing it now. I'm confident it will obey me.
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@groo My Debian Testing installation has never even once nagged me to update to its next version.
Rolling release distros: OS-as-a-service before that was even a thing.
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@groo and you're probably also confident that it doesn't now cost $100. Which is the main reason Windows nagged.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Guess they thought of that one. (It also has to basically be in full working order, with all parts and accessories, and not have any modifications or a broken warranty seal.)
"We guarantee we can upgrade your PC to Windows 10, as long as it can be upgraded to Windows 10 *
offer not valid on PCs that cannot be upgraded to Windows 10
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How to get a free Dell 15 laptop thing.
- take a PC running Windows 8, as per the rules
- disable the USB ports. With a soldering iron, if necessary
- give it to them
- giggle yourself pissless as the
Apple Store GenisusesMicrosoft Store Whateverthefucks try to use a computer without a mouse - laugh yourself shitless once they finally figure out how, and try to do a Windows Install without a mouse
- collect Dhell XV computer thing
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@Lorne-Kates said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
How to get a free Dell 15 laptop thing.
- take a PC running Windows 8, as per the rules
- disable the USB ports. With a soldering iron, if necessary
- give it to them
- giggle yourself pissless as the
Apple Store GenisusesMicrosoft Store Whateverthefucks try to use a computer without a mouse - laugh yourself shitless once they finally figure out how, and try to do a Windows Install without a mouse
- collect Dhell XV computer thing
- Uh huh, technically my IBM T42 computers can run Windows 8.0 before they mandated PAE support as a requirement.
- I don't think these units can boot from USB, though they have a CD-ROM drive, so maybe I'll just pop that out for an empty caddy...
- Not sure if they'd be willing to take it from me.
- There's both a trackpad and a
nubbinTrackPoint, so I might just unplug that from the MB... - That might be entertaining. 'Course I can already do that, so maybe that fuels the amusement? (Tab and Space are your friend, be careful with Enter!)
- The might just be so pissed that they'll cry fowl and not give it to me, so effort wasted?
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@Lorne-Kates said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
try to use a computer without a mouse
If only (1) Windows still is technically usable without a mouse, at least mostly, and (2) MouseKeys didn't exist.