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@bb36e Perhaps, but that's the thing I've been calling stupid, wrong, and inaccurate. Sure, there are junctions, which don't matter at all, because 7 to 10 upgrades have no reason to care about that. Sure, there are things with the old names. But they aren't in the structure they were in XP even, unless your admins are insane.
No matter how many times I say it, you people keep reading something different than what I write to try and prove me wrong. You can't, if you don't respond to what I write,
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@Magus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@error I don't care about his post.
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@error He replied to me, where I was saying the subfolder does not exist, with a completely irrelevant point. Which you guys seem to like a lot for some reason.
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D;
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@Magus you also said:
And I don't get how copying the documents folder could lose subfolders either...
The fact there's a difference between the Documents library and the Documents folder is kinda relevant - if you copy the folder, you won't necessarily keep everything that was in the library. Junctions were just a side note.
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@Maciejasjmj ...Wow. You are still making up points for me I see. Junctions were the irrelevant point, which you just admitted.
My point still remains: If, when you upgrade to windows 10, subfolders you shouldn't have aren't copied, that's weird anyway. You shouldn't have them since that isn't how its been done since XP.
And people have been arguing that that is not the case. You're all insane.
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@bb36e Whatever you posted, you posted it wrong, so I'm not seeing it. People here have jobs they're slacking off from to read your insane ramblings. If you're going to post things jobs block, well, good for you.
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@Magus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
You shouldn't have them since that isn't how its been done since XP.
And people have been arguing that that is not the case.Now you're making up points for us. I don't think anybody said there is, in fact, a My Documents folder anywhere.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Now you're making up points for us. I don't think anybody said there is, in fact, a My Documents folder anywhere.
@Maciejasjmj said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@Magus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@Scarlet_Manuka said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
So the old structure is all from 7.
FWIW these folders also exist on my Win 7 Pro machine at work. They're subfolders of My Documents.Very odd. They were supposed to be
C:\Users\you\Documents
,C:\Users\You\Music
, andC:\Users\You\Pictures
unless your IT did something completely bizarre. And I don't get how copying the documents folder could lose subfolders either...I think there's Documents the library and Documents the folder, and also My Documents somewhere out there junctioned for legacy purposes. It's all rather confusing really.
READ. POSTS.
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@Magus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@flabdablet And they still aren't subfolders of My Documents. So I don't know why you bothered writing all of that. Moron.
Hidden and system folders hidden:
Same folder with hidden and system folders displayed:
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@flabdablet Nice job idiot. Those aren't subdirectories. If you're not arguing that, why are you posting?
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@Magus Functionally, yes they are. Those are junctions (in-tree symlinks) not Windows shortcuts.
See over there in the Type column? "File folder".
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@Magus listen, all I'm saying is that win7 has those 'documents' junctions. Sorry if your firewall blocks any mentions of NTFS junctions.
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@bb36e Cool. Story. Bro.
Seriously, I believe you. I just don't know why it matters in any way. You aren't going to see those without hidden files shown, and they aren't going to copy like subdirectories because they are a different kind of link.
Seriously. You guys keep coming up with more irrelevance to try to prove me wrong with, but I don't get why. What's the point? You aren't arguing against my points. You're arguing strange technicalities that don't actually matter.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
The main documents folder was OK (or we would have noticed it much earlier), but everything that was in My Music, My Pictures, or My Videos is gone. (And no, they're not still in Windows.old or anywhere else on the drive; I checked.)
If the Deny Read for Everyone permission had gone missing from any of the junctions with those names (which are, despite the dickhead upthread's unwillingness to admit it, inside My Documents by default in Windows 7), then it seems plausible to me that a naively coded updater's attempt to delete those junctions (perhaps because they're not supposed to exist by default on Windows 10) could have descended into them and deleted everything inside first.
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@Magus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
they aren't going to copy like subdirectories because they are a different kind of link.
With Deny Read for Everyone permissions, junctions work just like the empty subdirectories they then appear to be. If you
rmdir /s
one, it will just get deleted. The target directory will not be affected in this case.Take that permission off, and they work like normal subdirectories. In particular,
rmdir /s
or equivalent will descend into them and clear them out before deleting the junction itself.
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@Medinoc said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
An hilariously bad thing about Microsoft Edge is that there is no option to "always ask where I want to download the file". They actually removed this feature from late IE versions, and never put it in Edge.
Which has the side-effect of making drive-by download attacks much easier, since all files can now be downloaded without user confirmation!
There's a
fixworkaround for that.Fake Edit: That's a horrible onebox.
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@Magus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
I just don't know why it matters in any way.
And somebody pays you to write computer programs?
Astonishing.
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
With Deny Read for Everyone permissions, junctions work just like the empty subdirectories they then appear to be. If you rmdir /s one, it will just get deleted. The target directory will not be affected in this case.
Take that permission off, and they work like normal subdirectories. In particular, rmdir /s or equivalent will descend into them and clear them out before deleting the junction itself.What's your point? Have I said that that isn't true? I said that copying the folder that contains them isn't going to copy their contents, because it makes no sense for it to do that.
Why are you caught up on deletion now? You're - again - talking about something else.
Even if the party in question was using those links to get to the folders, they are located elsewhere, and should be in that location still. Right?
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@Magus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
You're arguing strange technicalities that don't actually matter.
YMBNH
Filed under: We need s.
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
it seems plausible to me that a naively coded updater's attempt to delete those junctions (perhaps because they're not supposed to exist by default on Windows 10) could have descended into them and deleted everything inside first.
I had
cacls
recurse into them (a core Windows utility that shouldn't be naively implemented) and eventually crash when the path got too long.(Of course
cacls
is deprecated and they want me to useicacls
instead.)
Filed under: I pronounce it "cackles."
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@Magus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Perhaps, but that's the thing I've been calling stupid, wrong, and inaccurate
Just in a wrong and inaccurate way?
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Status: here we go, starting update at 13:28.
Man this is an ugly window.
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@boomzilla You're right, I need to account for ghosts.
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@bb36e said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Man this is an ugly window.
Get used to it.
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@Zecc said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Get used to it.
Hmm....so Nancy Pelosi was the Cassandra of Windows 10?
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@Magus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
copying the folder that contains them isn't going to copy their contents, because it makes no sense for it to do that.
When the Deny Read for Everyone ACE gets removed from a post-Vista compatibility junction, the contents of the folder it links to absolutely do get copied by any amount of naive software.
I've seen Windows Backup fail after filling the backup drive with 100+ nested copies of
C:\Users\Somebody\Local Settings\Application Data
after Somebody decided that "nobody is going to deny me access to a folder in my own user profile" and got rid of that ACE from all of them, including the one atC:\Users\Somebody\AppData\Local\Application Data
that points toC:\Users\Somebody\AppData\Local
.
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@flabdablet That sounds great and all, but it also sounds like the opposite of what actually happened: No files apparently got copied. They're apparently gone. So while your scenario might be important to someone somewhere, it's still irrelevant because it isn't happening in the case we're discussing right here.
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@Magus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
No files apparently got copied. They're apparently gone.
It was an in-place upgrade. The files got deleted.
@Scarlet_Manuka said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Speaking of Windows 10 - I found last night that the upgrade on our office computer apparently ate all our music files. The main documents folder was OK (or we would have noticed it much earlier), but everything that was in My Music, My Pictures, or My Videos is gone. (And no, they're not still in Windows.old or anywhere else on the drive; I checked.)
So not only are you wrong and an asshole, but you can't read words off a screen. Well done you.
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Somebody decided that "nobody is going to deny me access to a folder in my own user profile" and got rid of that ACE from all of them
In my case, I was scrubbing all the permissions off a drive I pulled from an old system, which apparently primed the infinite recursion bomb.
(The SIDs it was using weren't going to resolve on the new system anyway.)
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@Magus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
No files apparently got copied. They're apparently gone.
It was an in-place upgrade.
@Scarlet_Manuka said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Speaking of Windows 10 - I found last night that the upgrade on our office computer apparently ate all our music files. The main documents folder was OK (or we would have noticed it much earlier), but everything that was in My Music, My Pictures, or My Videos is gone. (And no, they're not still in Windows.old or anywhere else on the drive; I checked.)
So not only are you wrong and an asshole, but you can't read words off a screen. Well done you.
So you're saying the rights got screwed up, so a process that deleted the no-longer-needed-links deleted the files? Meaning it's user error? And you expected me to have telepathy like Blakey? Maybe you should try typing words that you want people to understand instead of focusing on the minutia of the way parts of it work, and that no one really cares about except you.
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@error Yeah, that kind of thing happens. I linked Junction Box upthread because it's what I used to fix it when it happened to one of my customers.
Used to be that *nixboxen were the ones that threw hissy fits if you mucked up their permissions :-)
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Status: so the update only took 3 reboots and my computer was only completely unusable for 20 minutes. Not bad. Maybe in windows 11 they'll figure out how to let me use the computer while it's updating.
Impressions:
- They still haven't gotten rid of those 'We updated your computer. It's doing something right now. :)' cutscenes. Freakin' annoying.
- Edge and the Windows Store somehow added themselves back to my taskbar ().
- They broke my key remapping. CapsLck no longer maps to BackSpc.
- I got a notification telling me that updates were installed and to 'click here for more information'. Clicking gave me this. Thanks, I guess.
- My volume level got reset. Thanks, I guess.
- UAC dialog now looks fuglier. It doesn't even seem to respect my theme's colour, so I'm not sure where they're getting this weird blue colour from.
- I apparently have a program called '3D Builder' installed. I don't recall installing it. That's cool if you like trains, I guess.
- There's a bunch of stuff in my start menu that I don't remember seeing. Apparently I can uninstall 'Groove Music' but not 'Movies and TV'? The fuck is all this?
Overall, I didn't like this update. If they just skipped adding that stuff back to the taskbar and breaking my keyboard mapping, and instead made it last maybe 5 minutes it would have been better.
★★☆☆☆
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@bb36e said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
- I got a notification telling me that updates were installed and to 'click here for more information'. Clicking gave me this. Thanks, I guess.
This. Except ...
my computer was only completely unusable for
2090 minutes.FTFM
Oh, BTW, this wasn't an upgrade, just an update from the already-latest public Win10 Enterprise.
- I got a notification telling me that updates were installed and to 'click here for more information'. Clicking gave me this. Thanks, I guess.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
You can blame Microsoft for a lot of things, but don't blame them for my paraphrasing of their fine print.
You're not the boss of me you can't tell me what to do DRM M$!
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@accalia said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
they'll cry fowl
shame. if they were smart like a they would eat the instead of crying at it.
That's why you leave the duck on one shore while you boat the fox across the river...
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@Lorne-Kates said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
they'll cry fowl
shame. if they were smart like a they would eat the instead of crying at it.
That's why you leave the duck on one shore while you boat the fox across the river...
because the duck wanders off, leaving naught but a pile of feathers bones and blood behind if you leave it with the fox who will, of course, have done absolutely nothing except sit patiently for you to return?
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@accalia said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
because the duck wanders off, leaving naught but a pile of feathers bones and blood behind if you leave it with the fox who will, of course, have done absolutely nothing except sit patiently for you to return?
No you put the duck, the fox and the flowers into a blender and make a protein shake that you drink and helps you row a boat across a river.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@accalia said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
because the duck wanders off, leaving naught but a pile of feathers bones and blood behind if you leave it with the fox who will, of course, have done absolutely nothing except sit patiently for you to return?
No you put the duck, the fox and the flowers into a blender and make a protein shake that you drink and helps you row a boat across a river.
........ remine me never to follow you into the woods, or anywhere near water or gorges with rope bridges across them.
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@accalia said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
remine me
You're minable? And multiple times at that?
What kind of resources do you offer?
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@abarker said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
What kind of resources do you offer?
Typos, lots of them.
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@TimeBandit said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@abarker said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
What kind of resources do you offer?
Typos, lots of them.
Too easy.
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@abarker said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
What kind of resources do you offer?
is that a pickaxe in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?
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@accalia said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@abarker said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
What kind of resources do you offer?
is that a pickaxe in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?
Nope, just your average pike!
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@bb36e all the apps you are complaining about have been there since the previous major update and you never noticed them.
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@LB_ said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@bb36e all the apps you are complaining about have been there since the
previous major updatefirst release and you never noticed them.FTFY. I have it on my first-public-build version that I keep around for raisins.
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@accalia said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@abarker said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
What kind of resources do you offer?
is that a pickaxe in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?
Somewhere, in an alternate universe, that got accalia'd to "pickle".
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@Tsaukpaetra I distinctly recall 3D builder being delivered as a separate update after the initial release of Windows 10. I guess it still counts if it runs on the original ISO.