WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I was quick to blame Windows updates because that's always a fun thing to do, but it might have been just a coincidence. In retrospect, the boot before starting the update there had been a BIOS complaint about a hardware change which didn't happen. I dealt with it by loading whatever previous configuration it had before and it had booted normally.
Today, after plugging in an HDMI cable to my discrete graphics card (as opposed to the DVI/HDMI cable it had before) I did have image output. On the motherboard's configuration screen I noticed the date was 1/1/2009 right after midnight. In Event Viewer the only odd thing I saw was, on Thursday already, time service was refusing to change the date because the difference was too big. I payed to attention to the date or time, so maybe it was wrong since then already? But then, how could I trust the date of the event? I guess Windows trusted more its time service than what the motherboard reported.
I find it strange a simple date change would have any impact on the ability to output graphics, so something else is afoot here, but just like I had no patience to deal with this yesterday, I don't have any to deal with this now. Specially if it's hardware related.
So I'm going to follow the ostrich/kneeling warthog methodology of troubleshooting until it happens again, or something explodes on my face or something.
After all, you don’t get internet points by fixing the problems you shout about
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I was quick to blame Windows updates because that's always a fun thing to do, but it might have been just a coincidence. In retrospect, the boot before starting the update there had been a BIOS complaint about a hardware change which didn't happen. I dealt with it by loading whatever previous configuration it had before and it had booted normally.
Today, after plugging in an HDMI cable to my discrete graphics card (as opposed to the DVI/HDMI cable it had before) I did have image output. On the motherboard's configuration screen I noticed the date was 1/1/2009 right after midnight. In Event Viewer the only odd thing I saw was, on Thursday already, time service was refusing to change the date because the difference was too big. I payed to attention to the date or time, so maybe it was wrong since then already? But then, how could I trust the date of the event? I guess Windows trusted more its time service than what the motherboard reported.
I find it strange a simple date change would have any impact on the ability to output graphics, so something else is afoot here, but just like I had no patience to deal with this yesterday, I don't have any to deal with this now. Specially if it's hardware related.
So I'm going to follow the ostrich/kneeling warthog methodology of troubleshooting until it happens again, or something explodes on my face or something.
First thought: digital signatures on drivers. If your clock is in the past then the kernel might not trust a display driver which was signed in 2011; and there's definitely a not valid before / expires after pair of dates.
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@JBert said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
there's definitely a not valid before
I've forever wondered at the utility of such a feature.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Status: Windows 10 will tell you if a program is using your microphone.
That’s not the only retardery with the microphone icon. ANY sound input will trigger the microphone icon, even the line in. So if you, like me, have stuff connected to the line in port and tell Windows to listen to it (so sound gets put through to the speakers), the microphone icon will stay up constantly. Which is utter retardery as NOT EVERY SOUND INPUT IS A FUCKING MICROPHONE YOU RETARDS! And no, this has not been fixed in Windows 11 either.
It’s not like I have a semi-professional sound card with multiple inputs and outputs or anything…
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On a freshly installed Windows 10 VM, I double clicked a png image:
Explorer actually displays the content of the image as an icon. I just want to preview it.
It sounds like in their great wisdom they removed the 1MB that is paint (so they have more space for their 30GB base OS) and made it a separate install. But right-clicking it you see that the default action is "Edit with Paint 3D", and apparently that shit is not installed. Just clicking "Edit" opens it in Paint.
So why is the default an app that is not even installed? Why does it think the image file I want to open is an "ms-paint link", when according to its complaints that is not installed? And why the fuck does this retarded pop-up without normal title bar buttons have a disabled Ok button?
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
their 30GB base OS
Looks like it's not quite as much, it's only 15GB in C:\Windows and 15GB in C:\Windows.old which apparently got created this morning when installing an update.
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@topspin they had the crazy idea of getting rid of Paint completely and replacing it with Paint 3D in W10, with having both intended to be short term.
W11 only comes with Paint by default so I guess they gave up on that idea.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
their 30GB base OS
Looks like it's not quite as much, it's only 15GB in C:\Windows and 15GB in C:\Windows.old which apparently got created this morning when installing an update.
According to a former Microsoft employee who now goes by A. User, you'll be fine.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin they had the crazy idea of getting rid of Paint completely and replacing it with Paint 3D in W10, with having both intended to be short term.
W11 only comes with Paint by default so I guess they gave up on that idea.You couldn't come up with a worse execution of that idea, though.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin they had the crazy idea of getting rid of Paint completely and replacing it with Paint 3D in W10, with having both intended to be short term.
W11 only comes with Paint by default so I guess they gave up on that idea.You couldn't come up with a worse execution of that idea, though.
I wouldn't challenge MS on that though. Just in case.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
their 30GB base OS
Looks like it's not quite as much, it's only 15GB in C:\Windows and 15GB in C:\Windows.old which apparently got created this morning when installing an update.
According to a former Microsoft employee who now goes by A. User, you'll be fine.
There's also an option in Disk Cleanup to remove it, then you can blame Windows if it goes wrong.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin they had the crazy idea of getting rid of Paint completely and replacing it with Paint 3D in W10, with having both intended to be short term.
W11 only comes with Paint by default so I guess they gave up on that idea.You couldn't come up with a worse execution of that idea, though.
Hey, be glad Paint didn't have the whole bottom half made into an ad for its younger brother like some other built-in app!
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Explorer actually displays the content of the image as an icon
Yes, and Explorer can also show the content of DDS files. Sure it's nice, for a somewhat narrow use case, but if they are reading the format anyway, why there's no viewer support of any kind?
And what kind of shit is Paint 3D if it can't read the most widely used texture format?
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Well you see, the texture itself is 2D
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
On a freshly installed Windows 10 VM
That's probably why. "The Store" probably hasn't downloaded the 80 apps it needs to update yet. Because that's not done at Win-Install time.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
their 30GB base OS
Looks like it's not quite as much, it's only 15GB in C:\Windows and 15GB in C:\Windows.old which apparently got created this morning when installing an update.
Don't try deleting the .old. I've never had that work well (permissions). Use the Disk Cleanup app and remove all the system files.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
their 30GB base OS
Looks like it's not quite as much, it's only 15GB in C:\Windows and 15GB in C:\Windows.old which apparently got created this morning when installing an update.
Don't try deleting the .old. I've never had that work well (permissions). Use the Disk Cleanup app and remove all the system files.
Surely, this is some experimental home brew rinkydink toy OS you are discussing, yes? And therefore you must discuss it elsewhere. This is the Windows thread.
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@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Surely, this is some experimental home brew rinkydink toy OS you are discussing, yes?
Yes, current 'supported' retail versions of Windows truly are experimental home brew rinkydink toy OSes.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gribnit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Surely, this is some experimental home brew rinkydink toy OS you are discussing, yes?
Yes, current 'supported' retail versions of Windows truly are experimental home brew rinkydink toy OSes.
you're not wrong...
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Status: if you know I own this App, why are you asking me to sign in to install it?
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Think about security. What if you had multiple personalities?
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Think about security. What if you had multiple personalities?
BTDT, it should be the same regardless.
Actually, it does update apps not purchased by the current-logged-in/user just fine, so this is a known example that should Just Work...
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@Tsaukpaetra It knows you own it. But it's not sure if you've approved installation for this machine and account.
Imagine if it were a software for, say, logging keystrokes. Or tracking a device.
A game not suitable for your children, who will be the primary users of this machine.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Imagine if it were a software for, say, logging keystrokes. Or tracking a device.
A game not suitable for your children, who will be the primary users of this machine.Both are installed, the former via group policy and the latter via parental controls.
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Navigate to a particular folder under C:\Users\Zecc\Dev nearly every day for literal months.
Create a new folder earlier today under C:\Users\Zecc\Music
Top of Frequent!
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@Zecc How Windows picks what should be in that list I dunno. Go into a folder once: Sticks to the list for weeks. Go into a folder many times: Eh, never used.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Navigate to a particular folder under C:\Users\Zecc\Dev nearly every day for literal months.
Create a new folder earlier today under C:\Users\Zecc\Music
Top of Frequent!Most likely it assumes that you no longer need hand-holding because you should know your way to the frequently-used folders by now .
I take no risks and just "pin" a bunch of folders to Quick Access.
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@JBert said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Navigate to a particular folder under C:\Users\Zecc\Dev nearly every day for literal months.
Create a new folder earlier today under C:\Users\Zecc\Music
Top of Frequent!Most likely it assumes that you no longer need hand-holding because you should know your way to the frequently-used folders by now .
I take no risks and just "pin" a bunch of folders to Quick Access.
Or at one point you dismissed it from QA because it's your Top Secret folder, and then you change your mind later and don't mind having that bubble up but now QA will always and forever blacklist that folder and any subfolders.
Or so a friend tells me, anyway.
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@JBert said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I take no risks and just
"pin" a bunch of folders to Quick Access.use Linux for anything important.
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Gentleman, you can't shit post about Linux supremacy here, this is the Windows 10 shit post thread!
Filed under: Sorry Not Sorry for butchering movie quotes
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@JBert who do you think you are? Mike Patton?
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@JBert said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
just "pin" a bunch of folders to Quick Access
You know what I want? The ability to fucking pin shitty files to Quick Access. Ever since they got rid of an easy way to have a folder be a taskbar popup (and made it non-existent in 11) I've been annoyed...
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@JBert who do you think you are? Mike Patton?
People Not Named Patton Thread is
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@JBert who do you think you are? Mike Patton?
People Not Named Patton Thread is
all of them?FTFY?
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@Arantor so far. But day by day, inch by inch, wheels are turning. Wheels are turning.
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This is why you do not want to use stock Windows 10 as a kiosk display:
(Sorry, the surface of that building is very reflective)
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@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
is very reflective
I was going to say, is using a transparent display outdoors...
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They can't be serious?!
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@topspin meanwhile I'm sitting here watching the Windows Update control panel being stuck at 0 percent for about 38 items (things like "chipset get-rid-of-yellow-bang drivers") that should total a few hundred megabytes (why oh why did they disappear the expected download size. Seriously?).
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
why oh why did they disappear the expected download size. Seriously?
It was determined to be misinformation and so was deplatformed.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
They can't be serious?!
Well, that link does point out it's 50% of
running a build of Windows 10 that's no longer serviced
. And only 25% of the machines that lag by 60 days or more.I've never seen a lag in updates. But then I keep my machines up-to-date.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
They can't be serious?!
Windows XP updates got unbelievably slow circa 2010. Windows 7 updates got unbelievably slow circa 2016. It's about time the same happened to Windows 10. Looks like they didn't actually fix the exponential algorithm after all (I'd look up the post where they boasted about it a few years ago but ).
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@Gąska they pretended to have fixed it, like, at least 5 times by now.
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@topspin It was fixed, but it got broken again after an update.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Looks like they didn't actually fix the exponential algorithm after all
Schlemiel can be “fixed” by moving his paint can for him, but that doesn't make him smarter.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Looks like they didn't actually fix the exponential algorithm after all
Schlemiel can be “fixed” by moving his paint can for him, but that doesn't make him smarter.
And would this be so wrong? This is maybe better even. If Schlimazel is good at keeping the can moved, Schlemiel does fine. Would Schlemiel paint a line so good if simple he wasn't?
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Looks like they didn't actually fix the exponential algorithm after all
Schlemiel can be “fixed” by moving his paint can for him, but that doesn't make him smarter.
Shlemiel is a nice analogy for how something that should be linear ends up quadratic.
I think the only analogy for how something that should be linear ending up exponential is called "Microsoft".
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@topspin eh, complexity tends toward the Ackermann function and linearity is a delusion so I am only amazed anything ever manages to happen in linear time at all. Heck, even finite time.
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I guess I can finally get rid of my tiny some-tens-of-kilobyte utility program for this one...
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@Tsaukpaetra the headline makes it sound like they finally included that in the base setup. But you still have to install power toys, so that’s like 25 year old news.