WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@Parody Was on 19-something.
And only updated after I read somewhere that 20H2 would be semi-LTS.
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BTW, Doom did not start magically working. Every advice online tells me to install a newer GPU driver. But I'm pretty sure my driver was installed automagically by Windows Update, and installing a package from Nvidia's page is liable to
a. be overturned by an "update" by Windows Update at any time
b. break shit.Any advice?
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
20H2
Who came up with that name? Got damn ... can't they keep their naming/numbering convention straight for a few years?
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
be overturned by an "update" by Windows Update at any time
I don't think it will, actually. I'm pretty sure only new versions get automagically installed, so if the NVidia driver is newer than Windows' version it'll ignore it
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Any advice?
Install a newer driver. The one Windows installs is probably not the most recent and if there's a more recent one it won't overwrite it later.
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@loopback0 OK. Do I need to do a specific dance, like... download the newer driver, detach internet, uninstall, install, then re-connect internet? Or can I just download the newer driver and then point Windows Update to it? Or download and just run?
Also, last I checked, there were two kinds of drivers for GPUs. "Old style" and "new style". I assume the latter to be working with a new Windows 10 API, or something. But have drivers all moved to the new way, or do I still need to look out for "old style" drivers?
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@acrow Just download the latest version and run the installer.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Any advice?
https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24
s/computer/OS/
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Any advice?
https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24
s/computer/OS/
I can't. The pesky Japanese won't port Recettear.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
So far:
It could be lying. I see this with some machines where when we do the dism /export-appassociatons and dism /import-appassocations, it will decry that some defaults were reset to Edge or whatever, but in reality they remain unchanged.
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@Douglasac said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It could be lying.
Filed under: "All your files are exactly where you left them".
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Any advice?
FYI, Doom2016 works well in Linux under Wine
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You will use it, whether you like it or not
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
BTW, Doom did not start magically working. Every advice online tells me to install a newer GPU driver. But I'm pretty sure my driver was installed automagically by Windows Update, and installing a package from Nvidia's page is liable to
a. be overturned by an "update" by Windows Update at any time
b. break shit.Any advice?
Never had that problem with either of my Win10+NVdia machines. Just download the installer from geforce.com and go.
I guess you can choose or switch between "The driver installer installs the NVIDIA Control Panel." and "The
WindowsMicrosoft Store installs the NVIDIA Control Panel.", but I just left it up to the driver installer. It's the Store on this (my gaming) machine.I don't install Geforce Experience, FWIW.
Edit: I see they added a new variation of their driver package since the last time I visited. I'm not sure why "enable these fixes/tweaks/cheats when this
benchmarkapplication is running" can't include both games and creative applications, but I'm sure there's some technical reason for it. Anyway, a quick perusal of reviews says the differences are minor so I'd stick with the Game Ready variant.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
be overturned by an "update" by Windows Update at any time
Only if you replace your graphics card, I found out. By default it installs one with a basically impossible driver date, so anything by Nvidia should have priority (yes, even technically-older versions!).
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You will use it, whether you like it or not
Microsoft will forcibly open some websites in Edge instead of Internet Explorer | ZDNet
Yes, but that rather seems like the choice between eating crayons or paint chips.
(hi, @hungrier; that description was so colorful I could not resist slightly borrowing it)
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You will use it, whether you like it or not
Wait, people using Internet Explorer like it?
EDIT: From reading the article it will simply switch from IE to Edge. If you're not using IE then there's no problem.
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@JBert And the list is probably made of sites that actually do break in IE, and since there's really no reason for IE to exist at all, except for backwards compatibility...
I do love how the article tries to frame it as a bad thing though... "Intrusive behavior", yeah, sure, whatever, you're being redirected from the old, broken browser to the new, working one. Oh no, whatever shall we do...
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@sloosecannon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I do love how the article tries to frame it as a bad thing though... "Intrusive behavior", yeah, sure, whatever, you're being redirected from the old, broken browser to the new, working one. Oh no, whatever shall we do...
Well, now you can no longer complain that a site doesn't open and will be forced to work. It might be causing serious stress if you identify as a .
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@sloosecannon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
And the list is probably made of sites that actually do break in IE
I haven't used IE in a very long time, so I decided to give it a try. I tried every website I could think of, Google search, Google maps, YouTube, Imgur, Wikipedia, Ebay, a couple of credit card companies that I use . . . .
IE isn't a great browser but I couldn't find any websites that "break" or "don't work".
Which begs the question: If Microsoft already has a halfway decent browser that works, why spend a few years developing Edge instead of just updating IE and making it better?
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
why spend a few years developing Edge
Because it pretty much is IE12 that picked the ticket at their quarterly rebranding raffle?
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
IE isn't a great browser but I couldn't find any websites that "break" or "don't work".
Only anything slightly complicated made in the last 10 years or so.
INB4 rant about shoving all applications into browsers.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
why spend a few years developing Edge
Because it pretty much is IE12 that picked the ticket at their quarterly rebranding raffle?
You could argue they wanted to drop the Internet Explorer name because it had acquired a bad reputation.
But it's no reason for creating a brand new browser from scratch. Then again, how much of Edge is really from scratch and how much is unadulterated Chromium? Asking non-rhetorically.It's also possible they wanted to fire the IE team, or no-one wanted to work on maintaining it.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Then again, how much of Edge is really from scratch and how much is unadulterated Chromium? Asking non-rhetorically.
Now? Or when they first made it? I thought the Chromium bits only came (fairly) recently. Note that they went from their own major versioning to matching Chromium's (from something like v44 v8x or so).
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
But it's no reason for creating a brand new browser from scratch. Then again, how much of Edge is really from scratch and how much is unadulterated Chromium? Asking non-rhetorically.
Originally Edge was just reskinned IE with compati(de)bility layers removed. Much later they decided the world needs more Chrome so they made it Edgium.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You could argue they wanted to drop the Internet Explorer name because it had acquired a bad reputation.
Exactly that.
While the public version numbers of the old Edge look like prev_version + 1d20, its internal version numbering curiously starts from 12.* up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Edge#Spartan_release_history.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
prev_version + 1d20
MS assassination squad: He knows too much!
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
its internal version numbering curiously starts from 12.* up.
The engine starts at 12, the browser starts at 20. Both perfectly cromulent.
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Sounds like something Windows Update is actually doing correctly. Well, assuming it doesn't have some interesting side effects...
edit: That onebox was a little unexpected...
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Which begs the question: If Microsoft already has a halfway decent browser that works, why spend a few years developing Edge instead of just updating IE and making it better?
EdgeHTML Edge was IE but better: they took the rendering engine, got rid of the backwards compatible cruft, and updated it for current standards. The UI got revamped to go with the Windows Mobile/8/10 Modern style. Because they broke backwards compatibility they kept IE 11 around to handle it, whether standalone or as an "IE 11 in Edge" tab.
Chredge is Yet Another Chromium Browser. It has a mildly different UI and ties in to Microsoft's services instead of Google's, but generally acts like most other Chromish browsers. IE 11 is still kept around to handle backwards compatibility in the same ways.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Then again, how much of Edge is really from scratch and how much is unadulterated Chromium?
I believe that the core model, rendering engine and javascript engine are in common because those are the parts that are a total ass to maintain your own version of.
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
can't they keep their naming/numbering convention straight for a few years?
My guess is that rather than calling it Windows 10 Version 2009, they wanted to avoid confusion with their prior product "Windows Embedded 2009". Since their crazy changing-versioning-all-the-time means they now have naming conflicts with their prior selves.
I gave up on trying to understand Microsoft versioning when it went from Visual Basic 4 to Visual Studio 97 to Visual Studio 6. They switched to being year-based for one version and then switched back.
(And I gave up on understanding Microsoft patch levels when it went from "IE 4" to "IE 4.01" to "IE 4.01a" to "IE 4.01a with Service Pack 1". Each update just appended text to the string while never actually incrementing anything.)
Those examples are from a long time ago, and it really hasn't gotten better since. Though I suppose now at least the monthly Windows patches at least do change the build number, so that'sā¦ something.
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@pcooper said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My guess is that rather than calling it Windows 10 Version 2009, they wanted to avoid confusion with their prior product "Windows Embedded 2009". Since their crazy changing-versioning-all-the-time means they now have naming conflicts with their prior selves.
It's probably that they were all late, so they gave up with the YYMM convention for the formal names and just kept the codename as the formal name.
1903 ended up the May update, 1909 the November update, 2004 the May update.
Calling it 20H2 just meant they had to deliver it at any point in a 6 month window for it to be on time.
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Or there was an overflow bug in the code displaying the version number, and instead of fixing it, they changed the official version number to match.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Or there was an overflow bug in the code displaying the version number, and instead of fixing it, they changed the official version number instead.
They were going to call it Version McVersionface but that didn't fit in the fixed width buffer they'd reserved in VersionNameExExW.
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Wake me up when they release a "design refresh" that involves getting rid of flat design once and for all
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20H2:
The most immediately noticeable change is the new start menu design.
Sun Valley:
sources have said to expect new Start menu
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Or there was an overflow bug in the code displaying the version number, and instead of fixing it, they changed the official version number instead.
They were going to call it Version McVersionface but that didn't fit in the fixed width buffer they'd reserved in VersionNameExExW.
Shitposting game is on point.
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Can't these assholes just leave Flash alone? If people want to use it, they know the risks. Keep your fucking busybody snouts out of their business.
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@Zenith They'll restore Flash in version 20X6
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@Zenith said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If people want to use it, they know the risks.
No they don't. All they know is a website said "you need this to view this site".
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zenith said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If people want to use it, they know the risks.
No they don't. All they know is a website said "you need this to view this site".
Like the "this site
only worksbest viewed in Google Chrome" that replaced the evil IE/Netscape equivalents but is somehow OK because hipsters?
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@Zenith said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zenith said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If people want to use it, they know the risks.
No they don't. All they know is a website said "you need this to view this site".
Like the "this site
only worksbest viewed in Google Chrome" that replaced the evil IE/Netscape equivalents but is somehow OK because hipsters?It's not OK now. It's lazy.
Apparently the Windows Update just removes the Flash that can be optionally installed with/by Windows, and anyone who's stupid enough can still go and reinstall it from Adobe.
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@loopback0 Don't you see a problem with a Windows update unilaterally removing software? Oh, sure, it's something unpopular like Flash....this time...and you can reinstall it...for now. What happens when it's something you like and they decide you're not allowed to have it on your computer?
The entire forced update system of Windows 10 is Indiasoft's arrogant incompetence in a nutshell. Not everybody who doesn't update software is stupid or lazy. Some have legitimate concerns that updates will break their workflow, fuck up their settings, or rob them of features. Does Indiasoft consider that? Nope! Just steamroll right over everybody with broken downgrade after broken downgrade.
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@Zenith said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Don't you see a problem with a Windows update unilaterally removing software?
Something it put there? No.
Besides the annoucement to do so from 2017 was done with Adobe.
@Zenith said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
What happens when it's something you like and they decide you're not allowed to have it on your computer?
Something I like that gets EOL by its vendor, and its vendor spends 3 years encouraging people not to use, and that no longer get security updates? I'm fine with it.
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@loopback0 Adobe's consent still isn't the user's consent.
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@Zenith said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 Adobe's consent still isn't the user's consent.
If Windows installs it and keeps it up-to-date like other Windows components, then it's free to remove it in updates like it also does with other Windows components.