WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You can have printers without havoc?!
Why does your printer have a physics engine!?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You can have printers without havoc?!
Why does your printer have a physics engine!?
It's also hooked up to SpeedTree. For every ton of paper wasted it renders a little forest.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Oh, not only Ricoh, because why not to kill $n with a stone ?
from the article
Further reports of printer failures include Brother and Canon devices, as well as some Kyocera, HP, Toshiba and Panasonic models. A network technician for a mainly Ricoh dealership also contributed to that Reddit thread, and noted: “After an abundance of service calls these last 2 days, I can confidently say PCL5 [driver] does not work at all, regardless of driver age.
“Installing the newest version of the PCL6 universal driver does seem to work. Not a realistic approach to servicing hundreds of clients, but at least new clients setup before the new patch should be okay.”
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And even if you don't have a printer, you can still get a share of the broken stuff cake:
Microsoft appears to have been made aware of this bug back when a user reported it back in January, and the company claimed to have fixed it in a blog post on January 23, 2020. However, it seems to a slipped into Windows 10 May 2020 Update, which was recently released.
"Non-regression"? What's that?
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@TimeBandit They're just trying to help push us into the paperless office.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
paperless
Did you mean "pay per less"?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
paperless
Did you mean "pay per less"?
They are saving us toner/ink costs...
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
They are saving us toner/ink costs...
Costs, uh... find a way.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
They are saving us toner/ink costs...
Costs, uh... find a way.
Fuck costs!
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
And even if you don't have a printer, you can still get a share of the broken stuff cake:
Microsoft appears to have been made aware of this bug back when a user reported it back in January, and the company claimed to have fixed it in a blog post on January 23, 2020. However, it seems to a slipped into Windows 10 May 2020 Update, which was recently released.
"Non-regression"? What's that?
As bugs go, this one is relatively minor:
the Optimize Drive tool is not always reporting the correct status – so it doesn’t always log if a scan has been run, and therefore warns that the drive is unoptimized, when in fact it is.
It seems this is an issue with Drive Optimizer not recording the dates of the last scan correctly.
So, while the tool is still doing its job – it’s not correctly recording when this has happened
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@El_Heffe relatively? It's one of the most harmless bugs I've ever heard of!
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The other day, Windows told me I had very little free space on my C: drive and offered to use whatever the disk cleanup tool (I don't think its' the Drive Optimizer ). So after scanning for a bit, it determined that Wolfenstein The New Order was the biggest app on my C: drive, at 40-some GB. The only problem is, it's installed on the D: drive and there's no trace of it on C:. Thanks Windows.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe relatively? It's one of the most harmless bugs I've ever heard of!
Apparently, the author of that article is a bit overly sensitive:
...it’s not correctly recording when this has happened, which could cause issues (and undue worry).
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The other day, Windows told me I had very little free space on my C: drive and offered to use whatever the disk cleanup tool (I don't think its' the Drive Optimizer ).
It's called, oddly enough, Disk Cleanup. Drive Optimizer is the Defragmenter, modified to do something useful for SSDs.
So after scanning for a bit, it determined that Wolfenstein The New Order was the biggest app on my C: drive, at 40-some GB. The only problem is, it's installed on the D: drive and there's no trace of it on C:. Thanks Windows.
Haven't had that one myself.
If you really don't have any idea of what to get rid of after deleting your spare copy of Windows, various temp files, and all those NVidia driver folders it thinks you need to keep, you could always try a visualizer like WinDirStat.
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@cabrito Want to make bets on the root cause? Because I think I can point a finger.
The issue, according to the BSOD Bobs, occurs when Windows is shut down with a printer connected, the printer turned off or removed, and Windows is then restarted. Like a bad parlour trick, the printer USB port will have vanished from the list of available ports.
I.e. when the kernel is hibernated, it fails to check for removed USB devices on resume, and thus doesn't free the associated device drivers by e.g. telling them that the device was un-plugged. Newer drivers probably know to check regularly whether there is really a device attached, since they may just disappear. But older drivers don't.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Drive Optimizer is the Defragmenter, modified to do something useful for SSDs.
It's responsible for issuing TRIM commands during idle moments. The original TRIM for ATA is "non-queued", meaning that to run it, you have to wait for all outstanding requests to complete, then launch TRIM, then wait for it to finish (up to 600 ms!) before queuing anything else. If you do it after every individual file-delete request, it makes delete operations, especially mass-deletes, very slow. The ATA folks later added support for "queued TRIM", but support for qTRIM is (a) not universal and (b) frequently buggy (inside the SSD firmware) in various ugly ways.
So Windows doesn't use queued TRIM, and delegates the job of issuing TRIM commands to Drive Optimizer.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@cabrito Want to make bets on the root cause? Because I think I can point a finger.
Firing the QA team?
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@cabrito Want to make bets on the root cause? Because I think I can point a finger.
Firing the QA team?
I assume this happened when users became the QA team.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe relatively? It's one of the most harmless bugs I've ever heard of!
My apologies. It looks like there was something else that's much more suited to that topic:
TL;DR: major problems with the Storage Spaces feature, including potential data loss.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
major problems with the Storage Spaces feature, including potential data loss.
Again?
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@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
major problems with the Storage Spaces feature, including potential data loss.
Again?
Your files are just where you left them. It's just the filesystem that's gone.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
major problems with the Storage Spaces feature, including potential data loss.
Again?
Your files are just where you left them. It's just the filesystem that's gone.
I've been meaning to move my D drive to a server. Just couldn't justify the expense of a new 1TB SSD.
Until now.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Fuck costs!
We already know you would fuck anything
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Fuck costs!
We already know you would fuck anything
If it comes up then why not? If it goes down on me I won't stop it.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If it goes down on me I won't stop it.
Now I understand why you keep all this flaky hardware that crashes all the time...
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If it goes down on me I won't stop it.
Now I understand why you keep all this flaky hardware that crashes all the time...
What can I say, I like turning things back on. I'm practicing his to reignite flames too!
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe relatively? It's one of the most harmless bugs I've ever heard of!
It definitely sounds minor. However I can imagine how it could become fucking annoying, if that causes needy Windows status messages every 5 minutes... "your disk needs checking, do it now"... "oh hey, it looks like the optimizer hasn't been run for quite some time, you should do it now"... "Windows has detected some steps you can take to make your computer more efficient"... "One pending maintenance operation(s)"...
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@remi you can disable it then. I think it's not even enabled by default since Windows 7.
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@Gąska You probably can. I'm not sure whether my corporate IT would let me (if for some bone-headed reason they had decided it must run... or simply if they've let some hidden default from whatever "security" package they got conned into buying by a pushy salesman), nor if Joe R. User would know how to (plus I'm sure Windows would "helpfully" restore it unless you do some sort of regedit dance to permanently disable that but that won't work on your machine).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is by any stretch of imagination a huge issue (nor even a small issue!) for anyone, and in particular the security risk here is close to zero (the closest I can imagine to a security risk is that scammers could use it to trick unsuspecting users into believing they have "errors" that need "fixing", but that's really, really, really tiny). But that's still a valid issue.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
try a visualizer like WinDirStat
I wrote my post while Windirstat was scanning
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If you really don't have any idea of what to get rid of after deleting your spare copy of Windows, various temp files, and all those NVidia driver folders it thinks you need to keep, you could always try a visualizer like WinDirStat.
The trouble is, WinDirStat always tells me most of the space is taken up by stuff I want to keep. Or thousands of tiny files scattered throughout the hierarchy that would have to be deleted individually.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The trouble is, WinDirStat always tells me most of the space is taken up by stuff I want to keep
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
WinDirStat always tells me most of the space is taken up by stuff I want to keep
Get a bigger disk?
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
WinDirStat always tells me most of the space is taken up by stuff I want to keep
Get a bigger disk?
Easier said than done
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
WinDirStat always tells me most of the space is taken up by stuff I want to keep
Get a bigger disk?
My spam folder tells me there are pills for ... No, wait; that's something else.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@remi you can disable it then. I think it's not even enabled by default since Windows 7.
The default schedule for Optimizer is Weekly. Disk Cleanup isn't scheduled by default, but various parts of the OS will offer to start it for you.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If you really don't have any idea of what to get rid of after deleting your spare copy of Windows, various temp files, and all those NVidia driver folders it thinks you need to keep, you could always try a visualizer like WinDirStat.
The trouble is, WinDirStat always tells me most of the space is taken up by stuff I want to keep. Or thousands of tiny files scattered throughout the hierarchy that would have to be deleted individually.
Sounds like it's telling you what you need to know, then.
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Microsoft has admitted that this month's Windows 10 Patch Tuesday updates are causing more problems, this time resulting in crashes due to a failure in the Local Security Authority Subsystem Service (LSASS) file, lsass.exe.
Edited to add a summary
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@TimeBandit I'm amused that the IFramely for your link has an embedded video player that is desperately trying to start and unmute itself, including trying to reach outside the
iframe
to hook an event in the containing page so it can claim to be user-initiated.LOLNOPE get screwed, ZDNet.
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Last week, I assumed this was a bug, but now it seems like it's actually a "feature."
Heh.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Microsoft has admitted that this month's Windows 10 Patch Tuesday updates are causing more problems, this time resulting in crashes due to a failure in the Local Security Authority Subsystem Service (LSASS) file, lsass.exe.
Edited to add a summary
This onebox showed me an animated popup with GDPR consent.
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Ah, wtf is this crap:
First login after a recent update shows this (I don't use Edge). It's fullscreen on one monitor. The little 'x' to close the window is greyed out. Right-clicking on the task bar and selecting "Close Window" does nothing (except how the popup in the screenshot when done the first time). Alt-f4? Nope. (Taskmanager + killing Edge finally did it.) FFS.
Edit: And why would it show temperatures in degrees Frankenstein, instead of actual usable units?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
This onebox showed me an animated popup with GDPR consent.
And it steals the page's scroll position after it loads.
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Ah, wtf is this crap:
First login after a recent update shows this (I don't use Edge). It's fullscreen on one monitor. The little 'x' to close the window is greyed out. Right-clicking on the task bar and selecting "Close Window" does nothing (except how the popup in the screenshot when done the first time). Alt-f4? Nope. (Taskmanager + killing Edge finally did it.) FFS.
Edit: And why would it show temperatures in degrees Frankenstein, instead of actual usable units?
It's much easier to just click Get Started, tell it not to import bookmarks, then close it as normal.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
This onebox showed me an animated popup with GDPR consent.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's much easier to just click Get Started, tell it not to import bookmarks, then close it as normal.
I'm sure that is the case. Doesn't make the whole thing less BS, though. Disabling the standard ways of closing window must have been an extra effort with the obvious sole goal of forcing people to spend an extra few seconds interacting with their shit. It harkens back to the days of obnoxious full-screen pop-over advertisements on webpages. Fuck that.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's much easier to just
click Get Startedlie prone and take it
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Curiously, on Sunday, I was offered 2004 on one of my four Win10-1909 machines. They are:
- A homebuilt i5-760/GT430 that I put together in 2011.
- A previously identical 2011 homebuild that now has a GTX1080(1).
- An Asus ROG laptop that I bought late in 2019, i7-9850H/RTX1660.
- A machine bought at the end of 2017 assembled by the vendor from parts I chose, nowadays i7-7820X/RTX2080Ti.
As noted, all on 1909. The 2011 homebuild with a GTX1080 got offered the update, but not the others. None of them are showing "We don't like something about your machine, so you'll have to wait."
I'm trying to work out why they offered only that one the update. OK, I mean, technically it's the oldest Win license of the four, activated minutes before the other 2011 machine (for both Win7 and the Win7-10 upgrade), but that's the only reason I can think of.
(1) I removed the 1080 from the fourth machine when I installed the RTX, and thought it was better to install it somewhere than leave it to rot.
Update!
The Asus ROG laptop got offered 2004 second of them, and it "just worked". Nothing weird seen yet.
The old i5 that still has its original GT430 got offered 2004, but it failed to install for 0x80070005, which means approximately "something went wrong". I'll come back to this in a moment, because it's a major ..
The i7-7820X machine is no longer on compatibility hold; but hasn't been formally offered the update. (It's coming, but it's not there yet.)
So. 0x80070005. It's just an error code, and in context it means little more than "something went wrong". I'd actually prefer that if they don't want to offer more detailed information, they just bite the bullet and say, "Something went wrong but we think you're almost too stupid to be able to breathe, so we're not going to offer any details."
Mind you, it's not just Microsoft that are guilty of this sort of nonsense. OK, I get that Joe Public will tend to dismiss anything more detailed as "some garbage junk message", but that's not a reason to hide it from people who are smarter than the bare minimum necessary to eat, breathe, drink, shit, piss and fuck.
Sorry. I get annoyed sometimes, especially by opaque error messages that refuse to give me useful information.
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The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is on its way. Once it’s ready for your device, you’ll see the update available on this page.
New message, still no 2004.