WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@Tsaukpaetra they have some pretty good support for directories in the Taskbar.
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@Magus said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra they have some pretty good support for directories in the Taskbar.
As a taskbar item, sure, but I want it in the Start Menu side-panel!
Edit: It seems to me Microsoft just doesn't want me to use the Start Menu anymore, TBH.
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Status: I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but it needs to stop.
Somehow, mounting an image, applying some DISM commands, and comitting it, is causing this.
Yes, the Windows folder does indeed become 63 GB somehow.
I think it's removing the hardlinks for some reason...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I think it's removing the hardlinks for some reason...
No, the damn driver integration process is duplicating the nvidia drivers (some 50-odd copies! at 800 MB a pop!) into the FileStore directory.
So I set myself out to find a utility to make 'em all hardlinked like is natural.
Found this utility, which claims to do exactly what I want: Create hard links for all the dup files.
https://alternativeto.net/software/duplicate-commander/Sadly, the owner has left the building.
But wait! Software archive sites have a copy!
But oh no, it's not built with .Net 4, so Windows wants me to install the .Net 3.5 pack thing. I hate doing that as it almost never works.
So I run it through dotPeek (fantastic utility!), create the solution (there's a lot of code I don't believe is the way it actually is in the original source, but whatevs), fix some casts to
object
, and... wa la! We have a running program!Hopefully this will resolve the issue...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
resolve the issue...
Status: Meanwhile, I decided to use a slightly-older install.wim while the one I'm working on gets scrubbed over. Slotted it into the ISO and...
You... duh... what?
For the record, this is the mentioned section:
<settings pass="offlineServicing"> <component name="Microsoft-Windows-Shell-Setup" processorArchitecture="amd64" publicKeyToken="31bf3856ad364e35" language="neutral" versionScope="nonSxS" xmlns:wcm="http://schemas.microsoft.com/WMIConfig/2002/State" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"> <OfflineUserAccounts> <OfflineLocalAccounts> <LocalAccount wcm:action="add"> <Password> <Value>ZwBvAG8AZwBsAGUAUABhAHMAcwB3AG8AcgBkAA==</Value> <PlainText>false</PlainText> </Password> <Description>Local Administrator</Description> <DisplayName>Administration Mode</DisplayName> <Group>Administrators</Group> <Name>LocalAdmin</Name> </LocalAccount> </OfflineLocalAccounts> </OfflineUserAccounts> </component> </settings>
which just sets the default account. And it couldn't determine that something was wrong until after I had fucked the drive.
Also, "Any changes made to your computer won't be saved" sounds like a lie when I deleted the partition and had it create a new one...
Edit: And now I'm stuck.
Didn't plan on Windows Setup not working, eh, Microsoft? It's not even sad-facing me, no cancel button, nothing. Just wait for about three minutes before it just crashes (or something), reboots, and I'm back at setup.
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Duh... what?
Oh, that shit. I thought I disabled it? Apparently Windows knows better and will helpfully reinstall it for you.,...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
publicKeyToken="31bf3856ad364e35"
I think this is what it was complaining about?
Anyways, deduped the DriverStore folder (mostly). Skipped the files < 50 kb (because I'm lazy). Would technically save an extra 21 Mb, but meh. I'm happy with the large fries.
MUCH healthier!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
wa la
Voila*. French term, contraction of vois là (literally, "see there")
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@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
wa la
Voila*. French term, contraction of vois là (literally, "see there")
Nah, it's wa la, because I took back some of the wharglbargle .
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
wa la
Voila*. French term, contraction of vois là (literally, "see there")
Nah, it's wa la, because I took back some of the wharglbargle .
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I don't know what I'm doing wrong,
This is the start of a series of posts about you doing unimaginable things to your machines isn't it?
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I don't know what I'm doing wrong,
This is the start of a series of posts about you doing unimaginable things to your machines isn't it?
Narrator: "Maybe."
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Narrator: "
MaybeYes!."
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
6 posts later ...
called it!
To be fair, I have no idea why it decided to duplicate the whole nVidia install folder for each possible nVidia device part....
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You should have just kept one for the target device.
I can't be bothered to figure out which exact inf is the one for the target device.
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Also, you can get rid of that [DELETED] folder by exporting the image to new .wim once you are done.
Yeah, at the moment I'm just trying to get a working wim that successfully runs the blasted OneClick piece of shit without dying at a black screen. Once I get it all the way through from start to finish (and ending at a post-config screen asking for the computer name), then I'll tidy everything up.
But, having a 70-GB-to-extract-as-base image was reducing iteration times, even on SSD...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I can't be bothered to figure out which exact inf is the one for the target device.
Then I hope you also weren't too to install the necessary VCRT redist in the image or the NVIDIA control panel won't install and won't work. Generaly I gave up on installing video drivers into the image. It's pointless -- by the time you finish your iterative process there will be new driver out.
Actually yes, but it doesn't install the control panel anyways, apparently the latest nvidia drivers want you to install the control panel from the Windows Store now (and will bug you about it), even if the Windows Store literally does not exist.
Yeah, at the moment I'm just trying to get a working wim that successfully runs the blasted OneClick piece of shit without dying at a black screen. Once I get it all the way through from start to finish (and ending at a post-config screen asking for the computer name), then I'll tidy everything up.
I hope you are making some automation as you go instead of repeating everything manually?
Yes, with exception to the deduping it's basically just a series of commands.
Also, why didn't you just enter audit mode and manually install that shit into the image and then run
sysprep /oobe /generalize /shutdown
and then captured the result into new install.wim?Because the powers that be that gave us this stupid software are frowny faced about that. It's gotta be the One Click! Gotta run it or we don't support! Did you run the One Click!
Fuckers.
Actually, it was my original intent to do a generalized setup, but I guess I was doing something wrong (or it couldn't handle generalization because deleting the profile during generalization is not supported for that shit software), and it basically broke.
So, I'm making a base image that comes with most everything installed, but with the last few steps left to the One Click to figure out.
Sadly, getting the One Click to run properly post OOBE is apparently fucking impossible....
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Source: I have a doctorate in making custom images.
And I thought I studied useless things...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Everything is possible as long as you are knowledgeable enough about Windows innards.
Yeah, which is why I find it infuriating that this post-install step is breaking in such creative ways.
Like, I can tell the wizard is running because the cursor turns into a (indicating a button, because of course) an an I-beam (because some of the text is selectable for raisins), but the screen is completely black, and even after blindly clicking on the buttons and the application (probably) exits, I don't actually get dumped into a desktop and it just sits there at a black screen forever.
If I got that one last step to work properly I'd be done.
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It shouldn't offer the store app unless the driver you installed is DCH and not standard.
I don't recall whether I downloaded the DCH ones. Perhaps I'll re-check that.
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Ah, the wonders of .Net applications...
Did I mention they have some house-grown Remote Desktop app and a "Control Service" that's actually a tray icon that demands Administrator access? Oh, and that they REQUIRE the Windows Firewall to be turned off?
I think I mentioned it somewhere, maybe in the WTF Bites thread...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
and it just sits there at a black screen forever.
Did you try three-finger-salute?
Yes, no response.
I think it's running the wizard even before the "Your files are where you left them" screensaver.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Source: I have a doctorate in making custom images.
And I thought I studied useless things...
Hey, there are people that have doctorates in gender studies. Even the worst navel searching doctorate in IT is way more useful than that.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Source: I have a doctorate in making custom images.
Me too.
Wait, we're not talking about internet memes?
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@levicki Opening Firefox is now enough to trigger that on my system. Firefox opens just fine, no errors at all, but Windows gives me a notification saying "Your default browser crashed so we changed it back to Edge."
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Goddamn fucking Orchestrator. Just when I think I've changed the right setting (which, btw, requires starting mmc via psexec from an admin shell - because fuck you if you try normally since I don't know the password to the SYSTEM acct.), the fucking laptop wakes up in the middle of the night for updates and doesn't go back to sleep. If I put the damn machine to sleep, I don't want anything waking it until I wake it.
edit: forgot to mention - I'm simply trying to change the update settings (in the Conditions tab) to not wake if sleeping
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon I am not aware something like that is needed. Can't you just disable all sources of waking up in BIOS power management?
I stuck them at 'Important Wake Timers Only'. Guess I need to raise the ante... Or (as I just did this morning) just turn it off when I don't plan on using it for a few days...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Status: FUCKING MICROSOFT EDGE I FUCKING HATE YOU!!!
It keeps doing this:
This is on a freshly installed system where image was customized by loading application associations from XML.
I am so tempted to write a kernel mode driver which will have a whitelist for write access to file association registry keys and grant it only to regedit.exe.
Isn't this just standard Windows behaviour rather than an Edge case? It's stupid that it's doing so when you want to initialize the configuration, but then how could Windows discern that it's your config app instead of some random crapware writing to the registry?
It's a similar PITA that these popups also appear when you silently install IrfanView; in that case it resets to the Photos app. Would it have been such a problem for Windows to fall back to the "last known good value" instead of pushing its own defaults?
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@JBert said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Would it have been such a problem for Windows to fall back to the "last known good value" instead of pushing its own defaults?
And lose the opportunity of advertising MS stuff? Are you insane?!
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@Zerosquare I thought that's what the Start Menu is for. Or did they completely sell that real estate to Candy Crush and the mouse company by now?
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I think this might solve your problems:
That's what I changed to important-only. Shoulda known MS would consider that Orchestrator is
E_FUCKING_IMPORTANT
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@dcon IIRC, the way you need to fix that is to hobble the orchestrator task, which requires deep shenanigans because it tries very very hard to be totally untouchable. After one too many nights in a row being woken up by it, I found a page one time written by someone who worked out exactly what was going on, and followed the arcane procedures it described: since then I've had no problems. The page was also an epic rant on just how nasty it was to fix this, and its author would have been welcome round here I think!
Alas, I don't remember the address. It was sometime early last year, after all…
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@dkf Bummer! BTW, was that a Win10Home machine you had? Pure or upgraded? I'm just wondering why I saw this thing on only a single machine of mine... (all my others are Pro, some upgraded, some pure. The SPANKSPANK machine is an upgraded Home (started as Win8 I think))
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
BTW, was that a Win10Home machine you had? Pure or upgraded?
Home or Pro. I forget which. I could check… but
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@dkf I just slightly-less-vaguely remembered one arcane part of it. There was something to do with a task where I had to change the ownership of the task to myself (from being owned by the real administrative user, which was tricky to do in itself given that the UI for doing the change needed special elevation to actually do the change) and then add in a special Deny rule for the administrative user on the task. Which was all tricky as hell. Once it no longer had the super-elevated task to schedule itself for wakeups and no way to grant itself access to that task (which mustn't be deleted, but can be edited to no longer have the yeah-really-wake-up-for-this rule) then the computer became actually able to stay asleep when told to.
WARNING: I may have garbled some of the above.
There may be other bits as well (e.g., if you have wake-on-LAN enabled in your BIOS), but Windows Update is absolutely the prime culprit when it comes to waking up overnight.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@JBert How about discerning it by the fact that I ran their own documented method of setting up all associations, exporting them to XML using DISM tool, and applying that to offline Windows image?
OK, sorry for doubting you, I was thinking you were loading those using a startup task or something.
It's not like there isn't a way to tell apart mindless registry hacking vs official DISM file association import procedure.
Now that does sound all kinds of retarded on their part.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
and it just sits there at a black screen forever.
Did you try three-finger-salute?
Turns out it was a random Hyper-V bug (I'm assuming). Jumping around guns and trying it on the actual target machine did not exhibit the issue.
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
driver you installed is DCH and not standard.
Ah, this appears to have been it.
:derp.gif:
'course, in order to fix that I'd need to rebuild the install.wim yet again, and then do the manual deduping process (one day I'll figure out how to automate that. Or not).
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Ah, this appears to have been it.
Status: Uh, how do I get the not DCH drivers?
Oh, I simply edit the download URL to not say dch.
Their stupid dropdown garbage seems to not offer non-dch package for anything recent...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra How many CPU cores did you assign to your Hyper-V machine? How many the target machine has? How about RAM?
4 vCPU, the actual machine I believe is a dual-core with hyperthreading. 4Gb on the VM, 8Gb on the actual machine.
Why would a difference in CPU count or RAM (when not below the under-spec minimum requirements) affect being able to see the screen?
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
There's no need to mess with that if you just disable wake up timers from power management.
LIES! I'd already tried that and it did not work.
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@dkf I disabled the ability for tasks to wake my computer from sleep through Task Scheduler. Since then I haven't had a problem with my laptop unexpectedly getting hot overnight cause I dared close my lid.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Which reminds me -- the reason I told you "give it no network!" is that if you have entered product key it will activate Windows each time you install it in VM and waste your activations. Depending on the key type that can be a problem (i.e. if it's a retail key after 5 you will have to call MS to do manual activation).
Yeah, I'm using the "generic" key, not using a real one until the "final" image is ready.
Everything seems working now except for setting the auto login, which gets mysteriously reset, but only if done in the first at-the-desktop stage. Really weird, enough that I'm considering just doing a superfluous reboot to clear out whatever is causing it...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Auto login with admin account and UAC disabled? What could possibly go wrong? I hope at least it's not connected to the Internet?
That's what I said!
I think they're in their own vlan, but I don't know.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Not to mention that judging by what they requested to kill for the software to work they probably have everything in the same VLAN, and there is no firewall.
Likely. Based on what I've seen in these config files there's no reason to turn off the firewall, their apps have no need for elevated privileges, and sharing folders with the Everyone user is because they're too stupid even to have any accounts services.
Did I mention they also disable antivirus as much as possible?
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Did I mention they also disable antivirus as much as possible?
I am guilty of that one myself (I disable it completely), but that's a Bad Idea(TM) for a regular user.
In theory these machines aren't ever manipulated (directly) by a user, but are remote controlled and use a camera for screen input.
I'm not sure what it says about the system that the primary input is a mock gun...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'm not sure what it says about the system that the primary input is a mock gun...
That someone's going to shoot themselves in the foot?
Well they don't use real bullets, so that's not as big a concern as blunt-trauma injury, but I'm sure there are waivers for that kind of thing...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well they don't use real bullets
There are other kinds of shooting yourself in the foot you know.
Sure, sure. Everything is a bullet if you're brave enough.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well they don't use real bullets
There are other kinds of shooting yourself in the foot you know.
Sure, sure. Everything is a bullet if you're brave enough.
Maxim 24: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a big gun.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well they don't use real bullets
There are other kinds of shooting yourself in the foot you know.
Sure, sure. Everything is a bullet if you're brave enough.
Maxim 24: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a big gun.
The Maxim is a fairly large gun indeed.
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