WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Vixen said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Well..... yes! yes it is!
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Fuck off with that dumb CLI interface, we're not in 1970 anymore. Microsoft designed a nice GUI, use it you dumb fuck
@error_bot blakey
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So that eventual Microsoft Edge update is also removing features:
That link doesn't launch the Microsoft Store, but just dumps me to a Microsoft support page, which has 2 "Microsoft Store" links which just link to that page.
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@ChaosTheEternal They're switching to another rendering engine. The probability of keeping all the features was 0.
Filed under: I didn't even know it opened those.
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@error said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@ChaosTheEternal They're switching to another rendering engine. The probability of keeping all the features was 0.
Filed under: I didn't even know it opened those.
Yeah, for a browser it does a lot of random shit.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yeah, for a browser it does a lot of random shit.
Yeah, why would they implement such useless features?
Filed under: @error_bot !mandelbrot
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@topspin okay, so, while my first instinct was to point out that while I've heard people say this, I've never actually seen web results beating out local applications or be faster, but then I stopped for a moment, because why would you search for the thing in the gear button?
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@Magus said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin okay, so, while my first instinct was to point out that while I've heard people say this, I've never actually seen web results beating out local applications or be faster, but then I stopped for a moment, because why would you search for the thing in the gear button?
Because back in the day (from Win95 to 7) I knew where all the stuff was even though they kept shuffling it around, but with 10 they've shuffled stuff around so much and everything is in at least 3 different versions of system settings that I really don't care anymore. I don't use Win 10 often enough to not just use search.
And that'd be okay if search was faster.
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@topspin I think the weirdest thing is that the search speed thing people talk about isn't consistent. I've had cortana on from the first version of 10, and in every machine I use, applications show up immediately, and I can even search, type two letters and press enter and the app I need opens even if the results aren't displayed yet.
I've heard people talking about the search being slow, and I believe them, but it's super weird to me as someone who has never seen it.
The search within the settings app is very good though, and I doubt that varies on machines, so I recommend opening that and using its search of you're looking for settings.
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@Magus welcome to my world.
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@pie_flavor I don't go around telling people they aren't experiencing things because I haven't seen them.
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@Magus Neither do I! The similarities abound.
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@Magus said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
applications show up immediately, and I can even search, type two letters and press enter and the app I need opens even if the results aren't displayed yet.
That’s how it used to work for me on Windows 7, which is also why I got used to just searching for everything.
The search within the settings app is very good though, and I doubt that varies on machines, so I recommend opening that and using its search of you're looking for settings.
I might try that some time.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I don't use Win 10 often enough to not just use search.
And that'd be okay if search was faster.Just turn off Web Search (or Cortana completely) and search is plenty fast enough IME.
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@error said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yeah, for a browser it does a lot of random shit.
Yeah, why would they implement such features so badly?
FTFY.
The problem isn't so much that the features are useless, it's that they are so badly implemented.
Whether it is .pdf files or .epub files or whatever...... every browser (not just Edge) does a really shitty job of it.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I don't use Win 10 often enough to not just use search.
And that'd be okay if search was faster.Just turn off Web Search (or Cortana completely) and search is plenty fast enough IME.
So if I turn off the fast thing suddenly the slow thing becomes faster?
That sounds so unreasonable, it might just work on Windows.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I don't use Win 10 often enough to not just use search.
And that'd be okay if search was faster.Just turn off Web Search (or Cortana completely) and search is plenty fast enough IME.
So if I turn off the fast thing suddenly the slow thing becomes faster?
That sounds so unreasonable, it might just work on Windows.
Nowhere did I claim it made sense.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@error said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yeah, for a browser it does a lot of random shit.
Yeah, why would they implement such features so badly?
FTFY.
The problem isn't so much that the features are useless, it's that they are so badly implemented.
Whether it is .pdf files or .epub files or whatever...... every browser (not just Edge) does a really shitty job of it.
In the case of PDF, at the very least, I'd say that has more to do with the (many!) shortcomings of the PDF file format itself than with any specific implementation of a PDF reader. It's one of those fractal s, like JavaScript, where you look at it and ask "how in the world did this ever become so popular "
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@Mason_Wheeler Bonus: the entire JS fractal is included as well! (used to make TTRPG character sheets that, at least in Reader, plumbed through all the various calculations I could, like DEX roll => DEX check => armor class)
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@Mason_Wheeler said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@error said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yeah, for a browser it does a lot of random shit.
Yeah, why would they implement such features so badly?
FTFY.
The problem isn't so much that the features are useless, it's that they are so badly implemented.
Whether it is .pdf files or .epub files or whatever...... every browser (not just Edge) does a really shitty job of it.
In the case of PDF, at the very least, I'd say that has more to do with the (many!) shortcomings of the PDF file format itself than with any specific implementation of a PDF reader. It's one of those fractal s, like JavaScript, where you look at it and ask "how in the world did this ever become so popular "
PDF would be fine if it was just normal documents (simplified / structured PostScript sans being Turing complete). All the readers render that just fine.
But then they had to include everything but the kitchen sink, from forms to scripts to fucking videos.But hey, at least unlike EMF, the six billion bugs in Adobe Reader didn’t include kernel exploits.
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Mason_Wheeler Bonus: the entire JS fractal is included as well! (used to make TTRPG character sheets that, at least in Reader, plumbed through all the various calculations I could, like DEX roll => DEX check => armor class)
I've made all sorts of cool things in PDF over the years, but you always have to tell people to download it and open it in Reader. Early on it was because Adobe's plugin for various browsers would mess things up; now it's because the built-in PDF renderers mess things up.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
But then they had to include everything but the kitchen sink, from forms to scripts to fucking videos.
Yeah. I was really annoyed at that. It's supposed to be a paper. Why are you putting impossible-to-represent-on-paper things into it?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
But then they had to include everything but the kitchen sink, from forms to scripts to fucking videos.
Yeah. I was really annoyed at that. It's supposed to be a paper. Why are you putting impossible-to-represent-on-paper things into it?
They obviously read too much Harry Potter.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You guys are going to love this:
Expected to debut in H2 this year.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
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Maybe SpectateSwamp has a point after all...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
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@levicki
Tries to remember when he last used the File Explorer search feature
Fails
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
According to Microsoft people did ask for that.
Were they managers at Microsoft?
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki
Tries to remember when he last used the File Explorer search feature
Fails
dir /s/b *somethingIremember*.*
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You guys are going to love this:
I saw that and wondered to myself: Hmmm, we have a contextual "this box will look for things inside the box". I know! Let's make it look for stuff outside said box too!!!
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
dir /s/b *somethingIremember*.*
See, that's why Linux is not ready for prime time. Why the hell do you need to use the CLI to simply search for a file?
Oh, wait...
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You guys are going to love this:
Microsoft said in Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 18362.10019 (19H2):
We’re updating the search box in File Explorer to now be powered by Windows Search. This change will help integrate your OneDrive content online with the traditional indexed results. More details here.
FTFY.
This first showed up back in May, as the "here" link shows. For whatever it's worth, it doesn't seem any more or less useless than the Explorer search already was. I don't have any OneDrive
contentfiles that aren't already on my machines (and thus indexed) but maybe one of you do and can see the difference.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki
Tries to remember when he last used the File Explorer search feature
Fails
I keep all my stuff pretty well organized and usually know where everything is without have to use search. Once in a while I will accidentally save something to the wrong location and then later I'll have to do a search to find it. That's pretty much the only time I use the search function in Explorer.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have no problem with integrating online storage search but then why don't they sit down with Google Drive, Dropbox, Mega, etc and create a search API which everyone can plug in to and use their favorite online locker?
As it is, this is yet another anti-competitive move by microsoft.Big company in wanting users to use its other products shocker.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Big company in wanting users to use its other inferior products shocker.
FTFY
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
This first showed up back in May, as the "here" link shows. For whatever it's worth, it doesn't seem any more or less useless than the Explorer search already was. I don't have any OneDrive
contentfiles that aren't already on my machines (and thus indexed) but maybe one of you do and can see the difference.This hasn't been released yet so that's why you can't see any difference.
It's there in my Insider VM.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have no problem with integrating online storage search but then why don't they sit down with Google Drive, Dropbox, Mega, etc and create a search API which everyone can plug in to and use their favorite online locker?
How do you know they haven't? I'd wait until GA and see if API docs get released. They usually build an API, if only because the shell team is not the OneDrive team that's going to be writing the actual functionality.
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Oh, and:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have no problem with integrating online storage search but then why don't they sit down with Google Drive, Dropbox, Mega, etc and create a search API which everyone can plug in to and use their favorite online locker?
Depending on how the file OS providers implement their add-ins it would work back to XP, using the various interfaces on Windows Search that each OS had.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
"To create Windows Search applications, third-party developers must first implement a Shell data store to a achieve a reasonable user experience."
The Windows Search SDK Samples contains useful code samples and an interopability assembly for developing with managed code.
Cool. Let's check out that link. Go ahead. I dare you.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
based on SharePoint 2010
Those are words of doom…
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@El_Heffe said in [WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else](/post
Cool. Let's check out that link. Go ahead. I dare you.
I knew what would happen, but clicked anyways.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The Windows Search SDK Samples contains useful code samples and an interopability assembly for developing with managed code.
Cool. Let's check out that link. Go ahead. I dare you.
It is true, they have failed in their updating. Probably because they moved it to GitHub:
I was able to find them with the web search part of the desktop search , but I had to search for the name of one of the samples. Hopefully that will be all the web-search-in-desktop-search I have to do for another few years.