WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
So you are now an expert on malware?
I know that malware is not exclusively tied to being launched from the Registry, so apparently I'm more expert than yourself.
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Are you a malware writer?
Depends. Apparently my definition of "malware" is not yours, so I cannot reliably answer this without you telling me what you think it is.
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Or you perhaps work for Kaspersky?
Why that company specifically?
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Both could explain your shitty, arrogant and dismissive attitude typical of Russians.
It could. But, really, it wouldn't. So, no.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Depends. Apparently my definition of "malware" is not yours, so I cannot reliably answer this without you telling me what you think it is.
Don't be so hard on yourself. Hypatia isn't malware.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Hypatia isn't malware.
It could be! We
havehad a signing certificate that means Windows would be completely unable to detect it, don'tcha know...
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@Tsaukpaetra: shhhhh. First rule of malware is "don't talk about malware".
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You know, malware which installs itself somewhere hidden (in plain sight) and has a pretty much fixed set of files compared to a virus which is infecting every executable file it can touch?
Malware (a portmanteau for malicious software) is any software intentionally designed to cause damage to a computer, server, client, or computer network.
Notably absent from the definition: has a fixed set of files, does not infect files, is not a superset of viruses
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@levicki malware is a blanket term for all malicious software, including but not limited to viruses, worms, ransomware and secret bitcoin mining software
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
purpose of malware today
So what you're saying is, things can change, and thus Microsoft can also become not-a-Monopoly. Got it.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
not to cause damage like the old computer viruses used to do.
Question: are the YouTuber's programs they're using here "malware"?
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Because malware is only able to start using registry entries.
I did say malware, not virus.
You know, malware which installs itself somewhere hidden (in plain sight) and has a pretty much fixed set of files compared to a virus which is infecting every executable file it can touch? What I said obviously does not apply to viruses.
Um... that's not what these terms mean. Malware is a broad category encompassing any and all software that causes harm, no matter what it does or how it preserves (or not) itself in the system. Virus is a specific kind of malware that initiates its code without explicit user interaction. It may or may not go extra mile to ensure it won't get deleted easily.
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
can't disable (and to my knowledge doesn't mess with) registry backup.
Because some malware doesn't know about a backup doesn't mean it's protected.
I wrote "to my knowledge" not "to malware's knowledge", do you even read before replying?
Regardless of whose knowledge it is, it's wrong. Backup can be disabled in registry. Most malware has full access to registry.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
That's exactly why I narrowed it down with additional clarifying words and further explained upon inquiry you fucking dolt.
Stop using blatantly incorrect terms and people will stop ing you
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TFA said:
To fix RASMAN error 0xc0000005
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Allow Telemetry
Double-click on the policy to enable it.
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@Applied-Mediocrity the worst part is that I believe it might actually work.
They'd never create this bug if they were using Rust!
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki malware is a blanket term for all malicious software, including but not limited to viruses, worms, ransomware and secret bitcoin mining software
That's exactly why I narrowed it down with additional clarifying words and further explained upon inquiry you fucking dolt.
But you didn't... Not really...
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
So what you're saying is, things can change, and thus Microsoft can also become not-a-Monopoly. Got it.
Criticism of Microsoft is well-documented and has recent examples, but you are "free" to ignore it and only see pink ponies through your rose-colored Microsoft-issued mandatory glasses.
No No No No No! The Pink has been banned from reality-altering devices until such a time that the inevitable shattering thereof will prove beneficial or at least non harmful to the general populous.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
They'd never create this bug if they were using Rust!
Because you can't make any software complex enough to have bugs in Rust?
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@Jaloopa you're thinking of Haskell. Rust is the one that's actually being used.
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@Gąska cool. Is there a GIU framework entirely in Rust yet?
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@Jaloopa several.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Just the other day I tried to remember the difference between Marching Cubes and Dual Contouring algorithms, and found a nicely written blog post about it. But it has code snippets in Haskell?!
It was actually surprisingly readable.
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@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska cool. Is there a GIU framework entirely in Rust yet?
Coming soon, from Microsoft: Rusty Windows.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I don't get why it's in Shared experiences though...
The part that broke is being able to continue your Solitaire Collection game from your Windows Phone on your Windows PC. Or vice versa.
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Windows Phone
OwO What's that?
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@Tsaukpaetra a version of Windows that doesn't have windows.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra a version of Windows that doesn't have windows.
Makes sense.
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Red x four!
Clicking it is not an option, and nothing I can see correlates to this.
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Apparently it was a time bomb...
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@Tsaukpaetra Too bad it crashed. You had just unlocked the x4 score multiplier.
Why did you post a video instead of a photo? Convenience?
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Why did you post a video instead of a photo?
You can't get the annoying sound with just a photo.
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@dkf Oh right. Why didn't it play before?
I guess it's related to just having put on my earbuds now.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Did you debug the minidump to see what caused it?
First: why would I do that? It says right there the IRQ was not less or equal. Any developer worth their sand immediately knows what that means without some arcane debug harness!
Second: no, I wasn't going to wait half an hour for a useless dump that wouldn't help me (the end user) at all whatsoever.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It says right there the IRQ was not less or equal. Any developer worth their sand immediately knows what that means without some arcane debug harness!
That usually means a piece of hardware triggered an interrupt and there was no interrupt handler registered for it. Sort of the hardware/driver equivalent of calling a null function pointer.
Filed Under: F you, give me sand!
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
a piece of hardware
That I don't develop for or have a means to fix in the manner that would actually resolve the problem...
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@mott555 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It says right there the IRQ was not less or equal. Any developer worth their sand immediately knows what that means without some arcane debug harness!
That usually means a piece of hardware triggered an interrupt and there was no interrupt handler registered for it. Sort of the hardware/driver equivalent of calling a null function pointer.
Not quite.
It's IRQL (Interrupt Request Level) not less or equal.
Some piece of software, usually a driver, raises the IRQL to "dispatch level" because it needs to do something important. Because of a bug or hardware malfunction, the driver crashes or hangs before lowering the IRQL back to normal. A page fault occurs. Paging operations are not allowed at dispatch level. BSOD.
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A slightly more boring article than the previous four:
Support for the StartBringIntoView method was added in interface IUIElement5, which arrived in the Creators Update.¹
[...]
¹ Who names these things?
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Jaloopa said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska cool. Is there a GIU framework entirely in Rust yet?
Coming soon, from Microsoft: Rusty Windows.
I was only kidding!!!
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@El_Heffe I posted it in the best thread for it
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
What property?
It'll be in the
dism.log
, why it doesn't give you more information on-screen
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
- How can something be 100% complete and failed at the same time?
Rounding error.
- Which operation failed since this was supposed to do two things (clean component store and reset base)?
Are you absolutely sure these are two completely separate operation performed in two separate transactions independently of each other? Because it would be kinda weird if a single shell command behaved like that.
- Which other transaction?
- Who started it and why?
- Was it started before or after the operation I attempted?
- Can I stop the other transaction?
- Can I at least monitor it to know when it is done so I can retry the operation?
These questions sound like it would greatly reduce security of the entire system if the answers were available.
- What property?
Agreed - it should say what property. It most likely would be as uninformative, but at least it's something to put into Google.
At this point, it's better to not have a message and leave just the error number because it tells you about the same -- "I shat my pants because fuck you, that's why".
Well, at least the message makes it clear it's about some other program blocking the central database. That's a very important clue, as most likely it can be solved by restarting the machine.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If you can't write an error message which an average user will understand and be able to act upon it
Have you ever met an average user? My father was setting up a new phone yesterday. He was following a videotutorial on Youtube for where to insert the SIM card, and still managed to screw it up and put it in SD slot. He used a knife to shove it all the way, which made the latter removal that much more difficult.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If you can't write an error message which an average user will understand and be able to act upon it
Have you ever met an average user? My father was setting up a new phone yesterday. He was following a videotutorial on Youtube for where to insert the SIM card, and still managed to screw it up and put it in SD slot. He used a knife to shove it all the way, which made the latter removal that much more difficult.
And many users are much worse.
But your story reminds me of the time my little sister (who was probably 3 or 4, so rather excusable) decided that she wanted to play with the computer. It had a 5.25" floppy drive and a CD drive. Did you know that CDs are exactly the right size to fit into a 5.25 floppy drive? Did you also know that getting them back out is nearly impossible without disassembly of the drive, due to the various mechanical bits? Yeah. We found those facts out that day. Good thing the floppy drive wasn't used for much, as we'd mostly transitioned to 3.5" disks and CDs.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Rounding error.
Yeah but how hard is it to not display 100 unless it's really complete?
About as hard as avoiding all other rounding bugs in UI. And about as worth it. Development time is a limited resource.
On top of that, this is supposedly a transacted operation so it is either complete or not.
Would you rather it showed 0% entire time?
Now that I think about it why does it even have a percentage instead of time estimate?
Because it would be even more inaccurate.
These questions sound like it would greatly reduce security of the entire system if the answers were available.
Dism image maintenance operations on online image can only be performed by an Administrator so there is absolutely no security risk involved.
It's still an additional potential attack vector.
Well, at least the message makes it clear it's about some other program blocking the central database. That's a very important clue, as most likely it can be solved by restarting the machine.
Then just say "Can't proceed with this operation unless you reboot first" instead of making me wait 10 minutes while you go from 0% to "100% complete" and then fail with a bogus error message?
And then you'd complain rebooting didn't help because the root cause was something else than a stray process that ought to clean up locks after itself but didn't.
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Have you ever met an average user?
Yes I have, they have been trained to ignore error messages because most of the error messages are useless like the one I posted and now they appear even stupider to us than they actually are.
I'd have an easier time believing that if users weren't equally stupid about non-error messages that they weren't trained to ignore.
I agree that there exceptionally stupid people exist, but that's not to reason to not have good error messages for the rest of us -- on the contrary, it would make our lives easier because we usually have to support those who are not tech-savvy as we are.
Sure, but why target them at average user and make them useless for everyone when they could be made actually useful for advanced users without affecting those who would be incapable of doing anything anyway?
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@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
What property?
It'll be in the
dism.log
, why it doesn't give you more information on-screenI assume because it's several layers deep and the errors don't bubble up in any meaningful way. At least, reading the lot leads me to believe this.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Because it would be kinda weird if a single shell command behaved like that.
DISM is pretty shit. And yes, you can. Without any difficulty in the leap of insight that is "add more commands to the line".
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
How can something be 100% complete and failed at the same time?
The same way that you get "Compilation completed with 34 warnings and 3 errors"
The thing you asked it to do wasn't successful but it did finish.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
He used a knife to shove it all the way,
Good $deity. If ever you think a knife is necessary in the installation of consumer electronics, you done fucked up.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
supposedly a transacted operation so it is either complete or not
But it is complete. Completely rolled back!
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Status: just restarted my perfectly functional computer, like you do, and logged in. I was immediately held hostage by this:
DO NOT click "Let's go" unless you want to be held hostage by the Windows Hello setup. It will force you to create a PIN. Thankfully it can be removed but why is this so annoying? After I appeased the Windows Hello gods I finally got to my desktop, and task manager was open from when I tried to open it earlier to no avail.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Dude, time estimates and progress indicators should be solved problems in computing by now
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Dude, time estimates and progress indicators should be solved problems in computing by now if they already aren't.
Just so we're clear.. what exactly would you like a progress indicator to do?
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Dude, time estimates and progress indicators should be solved problems in computing by now if they already aren't.
Your naivety is amusing.