Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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By Caroline Lowbridge
BBC News
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
By Caroline Lowbridge
BBC NewsThey have a knack for this:
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Gustav It's easier to line up your car next to another car than to just ignore lines on the ground.
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@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Takata is one manufacturer that is especially notorious on that front.
Hopefully certain Takata we know has nothing to do with this particular thing being broken
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@boomzilla Well, they're in the right state for it at least...
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https://www.pahomepage.com/news/lycoming-co-road-closed-after-motorcycle-collides-with-bear/
...Motorcycle. Bear. How.
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@e4tmyl33t What was the bear driving?
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@e4tmyl33t said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
https://www.pahomepage.com/news/lycoming-co-road-closed-after-motorcycle-collides-with-bear/
...Motorcycle. Bear. How.
Bears have very low traffic rule obedience so it probably meandered out in front of the motorcycle.
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@e4tmyl33t said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
https://www.pahomepage.com/news/lycoming-co-road-closed-after-motorcycle-collides-with-bear/
...Motorcycle. Bear. How.
Bears have very low traffic rule obedience so it probably meandered out in front of the motorcycle.
How dare you discriminate against them just because they can bearly read!
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This could go either here or Florida [Wo]Man thread, but I found this one first .
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How can that happen?
But it ended badly: an 8yo boy died.
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@BernieTheBernie Great "translation", Google:
Anyway,
In the middle of the day, in the middle of the city: two children and an adult were critically injured in an accident when the car they were in overturned. The younger child has since died.
In a serious accident near Frankfurt's Palmengarten on Saturday afternoon, three people were injured, some of them life-threateningly - including two children aged 8 and 11. The eight-year-old boy has since died. As a police spokesman said on request, a convertible rolled over there. It is a small car.
How exactly the accident could have happened at 3.30 p.m. in Frankfurt's Westend on Siesmayerstrasse is completely unclear. It is suspected, among other things, that the car, when it left the road, drove into a metal barrier that was in front of a tree, which then catapulted the car up like a ramp. As the spokesman said, this should now be clarified by an accident expert.
The police are also relying on the statements of witnesses who may have observed the accident. The question of whether the vehicle was traveling at too high a speed is also being investigated.
The police were on site with numerous patrols, the officers cordoned off the accident site over a large area.
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@BernieTheBernie
are you implying the gender of the horse?Zoom! Enhance! *fap fap fap*
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@Tsaukpaetra I don't think that's the noise horses ma...
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
when getting into town we passed a city bus that had got a garbage truck into the side, at the same place that a year ago a city bus got rammed in the side by a truck and knocked off the road and down the hillside
You'd think that people would learn. Gradually. Over time.
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@BernieTheBernie said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Now I understand why Teslas crash so often: they use the "adversarial" mode in production...
Being serious for one minute, I wonder if having AI automatically compute a "recklessness" score for other vehicles could be used to improve safety. E.g. if a vehicle swerves without signaling, runs a red light, etc., assume the driver is an idiot and stay away from his vehicle.
I do this. You'd be unsurprised at the ratios....
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I suppose each car would be required to yield to the other one, which would obviously create a deadlock.
(unlike programmers, law makers can get away with not considering corner cases.)
The deadlock resolution function is clockwise yield, initiation from northbound. Not that anyone follows it.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Takata is one manufacturer that is especially notorious on that front.
Hopefully certain Takata we know has nothing to do with this particular thing being broken
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@boomzilla Can confirm.
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YouTube: Watching a field sobriety test following a stop for driving with only 3 tires:
I'm not as drunk as I am.
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@HardwareGeek If it was one of these:
then the sobriety test is relevant, if just to check whether the driver wants to be laughed at that much.
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@dkf He will be laughed at anyways, because of the yellow (Dutch ) registration plate.
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@boomzilla It's actually the best and most legal way to kill someone in Germany. Just run them over.
Seriously, we recently had someone who ran over a toddler in a "Play Street". He was also drunk.
He got 3 years on probation. And not even a permanent loss of his license.
That's a regular thing over here.
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Let's leave the road. And get into water, i.e. river water. A cruise ship was on its way from Budapest to Düsseldorf, and hit a rock in Main river:
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@BernieTheBernie said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
hit a rock in Main river
Maybe they should have used Other River instead of Main River.
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@HardwareGeek At least, it is not Maine river.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@HardwareGeek At least, it is not Maine river.
The Maine exploded and sank in Havana harbor, not a river.
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@HardwareGeek I've heard of Maine Road...
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Maybe they should have used Other River instead of Main River.
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@GOG said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Maybe they should have used Other River instead of Main River.
Yuck.
If I remember correctly, I promised the Goose you can have that one, we don’t really need it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZwIChiQVkA
TL;DW: TIL Finland (and Switzerland, but that's not relevant to this story) base their traffic fines on your income. If you're very wealthy, you may face a fine of 10s, or even 100s, of 1000s of Euros for a simple speeding ticket.
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Celebrating the national day by being dumbshits in traffic:
Four persons hospitalized after accidents on E4
Reports have surfaced about a motorcyclist driving slalom between other vehicles and then rearending a car ... investigation into major reckless driving opened ... two persons were travelling on the motorcycle ... injuries described as serious
A few minutes later another multi-car accident happened ... collision between rescue vehicle and a car ... rear-ending ... three people were travelling in the car, two were taken to hospital ... road was closed in both directions
two persons between 50 and 59 have serious injuries, a man between 60 and 69 have life-threathening injuries
And it's very much not the first accident on that stretch of road. For my rare travels that far south, and even rarer on the E4, I can remember two. One were I was stuck for ages in queue, the other had traffic led onto alternate roads going at snail's pace where I did some map research and found a tiny country road where I could bypass the worst of the detour, rejoining after the point of worst slowness.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZwIChiQVkA
TL;DW: TIL Finland (and Switzerland, but that's not relevant to this story) base their traffic fines on your income. If you're very wealthy, you may face a fine of 10s, or even 100s, of 1000s of Euros for a simple speeding ticket.
That's the way it should be. I've talked to people over here who scoffed at him being "only 30 km/h over the limit of 50 km/h" and made it out to be not such a big deal.
They were unable to explain to me why a doubling of the stopping distance shouldn't be a big deal.
If I apply a reaction time of 1 second (i.e. you don't actively expect to do a full emergency brake) and apply a deceleration of 5 m/s² then you'll need a stopping distance of ~33 meters at 50 km/h and ~72 meters at 80 km/h.
Let's assume that there's something in 34 meters you'd like to avoid to hit. At 50 km/h you'd be able to stop before this object. At 80 km/h your remaining velocity would still be ~40 km/h (~25 mph)
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZwIChiQVkA
TL;DW: TIL Finland (and Switzerland, but that's not relevant to this story) base their traffic fines on your income. If you're very wealthy, you may face a fine of 10s, or even 100s, of 1000s of Euros for a simple speeding ticket.
I from what I heard, Austria uses the approximate price of the car as a proxy for that, so you get much higher fine if you are driving a fancy (and usually strong too) car.
Either way it is indeed how it should be. When the fine is flat, a fine that does not totally destroy a random bloke is laughable to the rich road pirates in their powerful cars, but the fines can't be set to levels that would destroy poor people.
Now it shouldn't be hard for the police officer to look up your last year's tax statement and fine you accordingly, but twenty years ago it was, but every officer could easily carry a (paper) notebook with fine coefficients by car type and age, which made the Austrian system way more practical.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Either way it is indeed how it should be. When the fine is flat, a fine that does not totally destroy a random bloke is laughable to the rich road pirates in their powerful cars, but the fines can't be set to levels that would destroy poor people.
When I was a student, I lived in a city centre where parking was not free (during the day, it was free at night). I never paid for parking and simply paid the fine every month or so when I happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
The fine was so small (even for my student budget!) that it simply wasn't worth bothering paying every day (or buy a resident pass).
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Either way it is indeed how it should be. When the fine is flat, a fine that does not totally destroy a random bloke is laughable to the rich road pirates in their powerful cars, but the fines can't be set to levels that would destroy poor people.
When I was a student, I lived in a city centre where parking was not free (during the day, it was free at night). I never paid for parking and simply paid the fine every month or so when I happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
The fine was so small (even for my student budget!) that it simply wasn't worth bothering paying every day (or buy a resident pass).
My city centre employs such an army of parking (con)trollers that you would average three parking tickets a day while camping an unpaid meter. And the ticket cost is 20x the hourly meter cost.
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@izzion at the time IIRC fines were fixed nationally at a value that probably was reasonable when it had been set, but which did not track inflation so it had become not very large. Since then that has changed fines can be larger (and vary by city) so I probably wouldn't be able to play that game anymore.
While researching this post (!) I learnt that the fine (which is not a fine but a "post-parking fixed amount," I kid you not) cannot be larger than the maximum amount you're allowed to pay to park where you did. The official government web page gives the example of a location where you'd only be allowed to stay for 1 hour and thus the fine could not be more than the price of 1 hour of parking. So in places with very restrictive maximum parking duration, it might be worth not paying if you plan on overstaying the limit! But I guess police is then allowed to give you one fine per hour (in this example), or maybe over-staying the maximum allowed time triggers another type of fine ( to check). So this might not work.
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@remi Around here it triggers being craned out and towed away. We just happened to see that happen as we walked from lunch today—though that area is a bit special, signposted with no stopping with additional text ‘max 15 minutes except suppliers’.
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Carpeted roads? Man, those Indians have expensive tastes.
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@dcon Well, getting "rammed" might be a way to solve the "no baby on board" thing. nudge nudge wink wink
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@remi But considering where the sign typically is, it seems to be inviting towards a rear-ending, which tends to not have that outcome regardless of who you do it to.