Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
waffling
Belgian waffling to be precise
They're overrated, in my opinion.
Yeah - just try finding a regular waffle iron on Amazon. 99% of them are Belgians.
Mine is a sleeper agent! You can flip the plates and have a flat surface.
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
So, who would reasonably be expected to yield?
Sorry, ESL thing ... road laws only describe priority or voorrang around here, if you're not in a case to have it you are supposed to yield.
Which...the truck driver had already done.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
How many more times?
Since you've not ever answered the question: once. I asked:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
What is your opinion on how this should be resolved?
To which you "answer" "well, the law says you can't force either to do anything". Which is not an answer.
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@Vixen said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Speaking of NL, any Dutch users know what this guy's problem is?
well..... it seems like their problem is that the mods removed the post?
Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/PublicFreakout.
Moderators remove posts from feeds for a variety of reasons, including keeping communities safe, civil, and true to their purpose.Either that or that warning is related to something other than the comment you were trying to link to and i don't understand Reddit's UI (a good probability)
I was wondering how this actually ended, and apparently @hungrier actually got a link to a repost (which also explains why it said "removed by moderator").
On the original post there is this comment with more background:
A co driver from the Devil in Transport Company was unloading on our plant today and told us what happened after the filming stopped:
The guy who was picking up his children threw the bicyclist in the gutter and other people removed the bike from the road so the truck could move, a large line of cars was held up after the truck and were also fed up with behaviour of the cyclist.
According to him his colleague is a British guy living in Belgium for several years now and is one of the gentlest and patient people he knows and was delivering to one of the farms on that road.
According to social media, the cyclist is also a truck driver and left his work today as his fellow co workers were ridiculing him, also blocked of all social media as he is the running joke of the town, extra sauce https://www.hln.be/in-de-buurt/merksplas/fietser-wijkt-niet-voor-tientonner-op-landbouwweggetje-jij-moet-een-meter-vrijhouden-voor-mij-maar-is-dat-ook-zo~a3fcba16/
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We've seen videos of the infamous "canopener" bridge which had only 11 foot, 8 inch clearance so that inexperienced truck drivers smashed into it.
They raised the bridge to 12 feet 4 inches between October 23rd and November 5th, and just 3 weeks later it got to scrape its first truck:
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@JBert And it helped unload some furniture on 19 December.
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This has probably been mentioned before, however here in Melbourne, Aus, there is a certain demographic who will simply stop in the middle of a main road, even a highway. Simply slow to a complete stop, they don't have mechanical problems, they don't even put on hazards, just stop. I have no idea what they are doing, but it creates chaos,
Another one I've noticed with a frightening degree of prevalence is people who will take their eyes off the road, to speak with their passenger in sign language. I'm not against the hearing impair driving, however, if the police here think that talking on a cell phone without hands free is dangerous enough to warrant a $600 fine and 3 demerit points, then WTF is the penalty for having an entire conversation, whilst driving using only your peripheral vision.
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@idzy said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Simply slow to a complete stop, they don't have mechanical problems, they don't even put on hazards, just stop. I have no idea what they are doing, but it creates chaos,
Probably the same people who walk into a grocery store, then obliviously stop right in the front door with their cart angled so nobody can get past while they spend the next eight minutes updating their social media status.
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@mott555 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@idzy said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Simply slow to a complete stop, they don't have mechanical problems, they don't even put on hazards, just stop. I have no idea what they are doing, but it creates chaos,
Probably the same people who walk into a grocery store, then obliviously stop right in the front door with their cart angled so nobody can get past while they spend the next eight minutes updating their social media status.
I ran into this (not literally) like 6 times in 30 minutes the other day. Wasn't just social media--mainly people talking and blocking primary aisles. Or the people who see a parking spot they want and just sit there until it's open, no matter how long that takes.
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@JBert said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
We've seen videos of the infamous "canopener" bridge
I like how they have the flashing sign now. Wonder if it actually helps... (not for those 2!)
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I like how they have the flashing sign now.
Now? That's been there for years.
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Wonder if it actually helps... (not for those 2!)
It'll be unsurprising to hear it doesn't stop it happening.
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@loopback0 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Now? That's been there for years.
The previous videos I've watched didn't have it. They got boring after a while...
I'm actually surprised they only changed the height by 8". Figured if they were going to all that effort, they'd actually fix it.
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@JBert said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
We've seen videos of the infamous "canopener" bridge
I like how they have the flashing sign now. Wonder if it actually helps... (not for those 2!)
I know a highway tunnel near Amsterdam that doesn't just have flashing signs, but an actual video screen displaying the overheight vehicle. Back when I read about it, this didn't stop them from having dozens of automated tunnel closures per month.
I mean, this is effectively a video screen showing "If the driver of this truck doesn't turn off the road now, he'll get a guaranteed several hundred euro fine".
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I mean, this is effectively a video screen showing "If the driver of this truck doesn't start paying attention and then turn off the road now, he'll get a guaranteed several hundred euro fine".
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I didn't know Minnesota had a broken physics engine.
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@boomzilla Reminds me of the videos of Seattle winter storms... Hills + snow/ice + cars = Stay home.
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@dcon I fell down a YT rabbit hole last night, said hole including videos by a guy who lives on a hilly corner (2nd story windows overlooking both streets) in Worcester (pronounced, according to the guy in the video, somewhere between wooster and wister), Mass. In one of the videos, even the snow removal trucks were getting stuck.
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@HardwareGeek that was the only time we got off school as a kid. When the snow plows got stuck or couldn't get up the hill so the buses couldn't get through.
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@boomzilla Awesome drifting there...
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Awesome drifting
Fast and Furious 74: Minnesota Drift
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Awesome drifting
Fast and Furious 74: Minnesota Drift
Review: The action was all downhill.
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@dcon And all other things were going sideways.
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I like how they have the flashing sign now.
Not just flashing signs, the light also turns red, forcing the driver to read said sign. At least in theory. In practice they either hit the gas and run the red, or sit there in compete oblivion until the light turns green again and then happily smash right into the bridge anyway.
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@Deadfast said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I like how they have the flashing sign now.
Not just flashing signs, the light also turns red, forcing the driver to read said sign. At least in theory. In practice they either hit the gas and run the red, or sit there in compete oblivion until the light turns green again and then happily smash right into the bridge anyway.
They need to add a big red stop sign that swings down to driver eye level when it senses the truck 1/2 way across the intersection. Preferably, one that says "Stop you idiot!"
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I'm actually surprised they only changed the height by 8". Figured if they were going to all that effort, they'd actually fix it.
They can't raise the bridge further because of a nearby level railway crossing. The grade would be too steep.
They also can't lower the road because the sewer main runs right beneath it.
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@Deadfast They should have lowered it so that ordinary cars will fit underneath but it will decapitate truck drivers going through.
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Bad idea: Merging onto a highway with traffic at 65–70 while driving 45. Among other fairly obvious reasons why this is a bad idea, it quite tends to annoy drivers behind you who would like to accelerate to a safe merging speed.
Status: Quite annoyed.
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@Deadfast said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
They also
cawon't lower the road because the sewer main runs right beneath it, and it would've cost one BEEEEELION dollars to move the main.
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@lolwhat Sewers flow by gravity. Lowering the sewer would probably require adding pumps to pump the effluent back up to where gravity could take over again, with the continuing operating and maintenance costs involved, just to protect idiots who can't read signs.
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla Reminds me of the videos of Seattle winter storms... Hills + snow/ice + cars = Stay home.
It's been called the 30/30 rule. Let one snowflake hit the asphalt anywhere in the Puget Sound region, and 30% of drivers instantly lose 30 points of IQ.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla Reminds me of the videos of Seattle winter storms... Hills + snow/ice + cars = Stay home.
It's been called the 30/30 rule. Let one snowflake hit the asphalt anywhere in the Puget Sound region, and 30% of drivers instantly lose 30 points of IQ.
That have that here too (bay area) - only it's one raindrop.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@lolwhat Sewers flow by gravity. Lowering the sewer would probably require adding pumps to pump the effluent back up to where gravity could take over again, with the continuing operating and maintenance costs involved, just to protect idiots who can't read signs.
As the son of someone who ran several departments of public works over his career of thirty-plus years, I agree.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
..... wait... this isn't imgur.......
/shrug
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@Vixen
Pretty sure the sound makes the joke...
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@izzion said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Vixen
Pretty sure the sound makes the joke...Quite.
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Yesterday evening, leaving work. First, let me set up the scene: we have an underground garage that exits into a one-way street, with a quite wide sidewalk and parking spaces along the near side of the street (when exiting from the office), and a traffic light about 30 m further.
As I exit, there is a car parked right in the middle of the exit, blocking it entirely. I can see that there is another car in the first parking spot just in front of it, and that car has its trunk open and people chatting next to it. OK, I guess the two cars are together and people are loading/unloading stuff. Parking spaces are often all taken, so they found one and the other car stopped in front of the garage exit. Not the best of spaces, but they're standing just there, they saw me and they're going to move their car. Fine.
Now, where could they move the car? It's a one way street with very little traffic, I'm clearly exiting so I'm going to get into the street and drive away. If it were me, I would have just backed into the street, waited the whole of 5s for the car exiting the garage to go away, then drive again into the original spot in front of the exit. It's still not a very good spot, but again, if you're standing next to the car, I've seen worse (hint: I'm going to see worse right now...).
This is where sanity leaves us.
1: instead, they decide to driver the car forward... onto the sidewalk! So now there are two cars parked side by side, one in a normal space and the other blocking the whole sidewalk.
2: as I drive away, I notice that the parking spaces in the street are all free. Like, not a couple of them are free, no, they are 5 or 6 spaces (up until the traffic light), all empty. So the car blocking the exit could have actually moved just in front of the other car, on a regular parking space.
3: I'm now waiting for the traffic light at the end of the street. Another car (unrelated to the first two, I think) comes up behind me. Stops at the red light. Sees the red light. Sees the row of free parking spaces along the street and my car (up to the traffic light). Swings into those spaces, passes me, heads straight into the traffic from the other street (the one for which the light was green!), and zooms away. ????!?!?!!
Oh, and all that for what? To drive into a public parking lot on the other side of the crossing.
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Deadfast said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I like how they have the flashing sign now.
Not just flashing signs, the light also turns red, forcing the driver to read said sign. At least in theory. In practice they either hit the gas and run the red, or sit there in compete oblivion until the light turns green again and then happily smash right into the bridge anyway.
They need to add a big red stop sign that swings down to driver eye level when it senses the truck 1/2 way across the intersection. Preferably, one that says "Stop you idiot!"
Or you might automatically send a photo of the situation to nearby police patrols.
That kind of bridges usually have a warning beam/plank hanging in the air some distance before the actual bridge, at a height 1 inch lower than the actual ceiling, in . Usually hanging from a chain, so it causes (and receives) minimum damage when someone crashes to it. The point being that the idiots will hit the beam and might stop before they hit the actual bridge.
...Looking at the video again, they do have a warning beam. But for some reason it's stiffly mounted, and only a foot before the actual bridge.
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@dkf I'm sure the local dealer for vans would very much like that idea...
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@frillunflop said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
vans
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dear driver of the soft-top Jeep that was turning the other way, why in the name of all that is holy do you need two sets of headlights? Especially when one is ALL THE LUMENS bright and mounted a full foot above the other, more normal ones?
Signed,
Someone who should have been wearing sunglasses at night so he could see (after that experience)
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@Luhmann I was thinking along the lines of
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
But for some reason it's stiffly mounted, and only a foot before the actual bridge.
That one isn't to warn the driver (who's already ignored/missed several warnings by that point) but is to limit damage to the bridge by being the thing that gets hit instead.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
...Looking at the video again, they do have a warning beam. But for some reason it's stiffly mounted, and only a foot before the actual bridge.
Oh, they have warnings for over a block in all directions.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Deadfast said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I like how they have the flashing sign now.
Not just flashing signs, the light also turns red, forcing the driver to read said sign. At least in theory. In practice they either hit the gas and run the red, or sit there in compete oblivion until the light turns green again and then happily smash right into the bridge anyway.
They need to add a big red stop sign that swings down to driver eye level when it senses the truck 1/2 way across the intersection. Preferably, one that says "Stop you idiot!"
Or you might automatically send a photo of the situation to nearby police patrols.
That kind of bridges usually have a warning beam/plank hanging in the air some distance before the actual bridge, at a height 1 inch lower than the actual ceiling, in . Usually hanging from a chain, so it causes (and receives) minimum damage when someone crashes to it. The point being that the idiots will hit the beam and might stop before they hit the actual bridge.
...Looking at the video again, they do have a warning beam. But for some reason it's stiffly mounted, and only a foot before the actual bridge.
We have those in as well. In Stockholm there are a few places where they've been replaced by very solid beams because buses kept getting stuck in tunnels they couldn't fit into, so they made sure they got stuck outside the tunnel at least, for ease of moving them out.
I think the "exploding" bus from some time ago actually hit one of those beams.
Sometimes you just have to make sure the damage some people do is limited, instead of trying to protect the idjit.
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Deadfast said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I like how they have the flashing sign now.
Not just flashing signs, the light also turns red, forcing the driver to read said sign. At least in theory. In practice they either hit the gas and run the red, or sit there in compete oblivion until the light turns green again and then happily smash right into the bridge anyway.
They need to add a big red stop sign that swings down to driver eye level when it senses the truck 1/2 way across the intersection. Preferably, one that says "Stop you idiot!"
Or you might automatically send a photo of the situation to nearby police patrols.
That kind of bridges usually have a warning beam/plank hanging in the air some distance before the actual bridge, at a height 1 inch lower than the actual ceiling, in . Usually hanging from a chain, so it causes (and receives) minimum damage when someone crashes to it. The point being that the idiots will hit the beam and might stop before they hit the actual bridge.
...Looking at the video again, they do have a warning beam. But for some reason it's stiffly mounted, and only a foot before the actual bridge.
We have those in as well. In Stockholm there are a few places where they've been replaced by very solid beams because buses kept getting stuck in tunnels they couldn't fit into, so they made sure they got stuck outside the tunnel at least, for ease of moving them out.
I think the "exploding" bus from some time ago actually hit one of those beams.
Sometimes you just have to make sure the damage some people do is limited, instead of trying to protect the idjit.Wait. Let me get this straight. You're saying some bus-drivers had:
- Gone on an irregular route (I assume normal bus-routes avoid such tunnels)
- ignored a 1x4 plank hitting their windshield/chassis and
- continued to drive to a tunnel too low for their vehicle.
OK. You've got some special kind of idiots there. Propably in the government that issued a license to these other idiots. Kinda explains the rest of the news.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Deadfast said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I like how they have the flashing sign now.
Not just flashing signs, the light also turns red, forcing the driver to read said sign. At least in theory. In practice they either hit the gas and run the red, or sit there in compete oblivion until the light turns green again and then happily smash right into the bridge anyway.
They need to add a big red stop sign that swings down to driver eye level when it senses the truck 1/2 way across the intersection. Preferably, one that says "Stop you idiot!"
Or you might automatically send a photo of the situation to nearby police patrols.
That kind of bridges usually have a warning beam/plank hanging in the air some distance before the actual bridge, at a height 1 inch lower than the actual ceiling, in . Usually hanging from a chain, so it causes (and receives) minimum damage when someone crashes to it. The point being that the idiots will hit the beam and might stop before they hit the actual bridge.
...Looking at the video again, they do have a warning beam. But for some reason it's stiffly mounted, and only a foot before the actual bridge.
We have those in as well. In Stockholm there are a few places where they've been replaced by very solid beams because buses kept getting stuck in tunnels they couldn't fit into, so they made sure they got stuck outside the tunnel at least, for ease of moving them out.
I think the "exploding" bus from some time ago actually hit one of those beams.
Sometimes you just have to make sure the damage some people do is limited, instead of trying to protect the idjit.Wait. Let me get this straight. You're saying some bus-drivers had:
- Gone on an irregular route (I assume normal bus-routes avoid such tunnels)
- ignored a 1x4 plank hitting their windshield/chassis and
- continued to drive to a tunnel too low for their vehicle.
OK. You've got some special kind of idiots there. Propably in the government that issued a license to these other idiots. Kinda explains the rest of the news.
- yes
- yes
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Aaand, yes.
As an example: https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/bussolycka-i-klaratunneln/
But line buses in Stockholm have also done the needful to tunnels.
The company that runs the buses usually react with "We have no idea what the hell the driver was doing driving the bus there. It's not on any route, nor on the way to any depot"
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Gone on an irregular route (I assume normal bus-routes avoid such tunnels)
I suppose it would usually be tour busses, which don't have fixed routes.
… and drive with navigation that lacks “truck attributes¹”, or has too many bugs in them, and nearing their 12th² hour behind the wheel the driver is no longer paying attention.
@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
But line buses in Stockholm have also done the needful to tunnels.
K.
¹ I used to write navigation software. The normal maps don't have any information about maximum heights, widths and weights permitted, because they assume passenger car that fits everywhere, but the providers also have extended data sets that do have these. Quality of the data varies widely between countries though. I think Western Europe was generally quite well covered, but moving to the east the coverage was getting rather spotty.
And of course the driver (or the company) has to know that thing exists, and must be willing to shell out the extra cash to get it.
² … or what is the limit before long (8-hour) break.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I suppose it would usually be tour busses, which don't have fixed routes.
If it were round here, my money would be on buses put into service to replace train routes which are out for maintenance.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
OK. You've got some special kind of idiots there.
They're clearly not that special, the bridge that started this discussion proves that the US also has some of them. I'm unfortunately inclined to believe that those kind of idiots exist everywhere...