Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@heterodox said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@mott555 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I wish I'd had a Go Pro because the state patrol would've received a call and some video evidence for reckless driving.
Sadly I'm pretty sure that doesn't do anything. In most jurisdictions of which I'm aware, if it's a traffic offense or misdemeanor, the cops have to be the ones to witness it.
In all the jurisdictions around here a witness with a recording is quite enough.
This case of reckless overtaking was recently recorded in Germany (can't quickly find a reputable source in English, but this should do):
https://www.reddit.com/r/Roadcam/comments/asua66/germanyczech_truck_driver_charged_with_attempted/
I am not sure it went through, but they were considering charging the driver with attempted murder for this. Based on the published dash-cam recording and possibly witness statement of the bus driver going in the opposite direction, but certainly no cop around to see it.
(update) So it might be true for a misdemeanour, but if it's bad enough, they are willing to call it a felony.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
(update) So it might be true for a misdemeanour, but if it's bad enough, they are willing to call it a felony.
There we go, yes. What @mott555 described would not have been felony reckless.
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@heterodox said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
(update) So it might be true for a misdemeanour, but if it's bad enough, they are willing to call it a felony.
There we go, yes. What @mott555 described would not have been felony reckless.
I haven't seen it, but the way he describes it it sounds it might have been.
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According to China’s legal system, the accused will have to pay a one-off compensation of around US$30,000–$50,000 for killing someone in a road accident.
Whereas in cases that involve serious injury, the accused will be held liable for a lifetime of payments. The driver will have to pay for the lifelong care of the disabled survivor, which can be in excess of a million dollars.
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@boomzilla Imagine if they hadn't cropped out the footnote. I'm sure it would be enlightening.
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@kazitor It also adds up to over 100%
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@heterodox said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
(update) So it might be true for a misdemeanour, but if it's bad enough, they are willing to call it a felony.
There we go, yes. What @mott555 described would not have been felony reckless.
I haven't seen it, but the way he describes it it sounds it might have been.
Here's a diagram of the incident, generated using my top-notch graphic design skills (btw I'm available for $45/hr if anyone has graphic design needs):
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@hungrier Some pedestrians are hit multiple times in one accident. In different places, too!
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On Tuesday afternoon, a male motorist received a pair of citations after a Minnesota State Patrol officer spotted him driving on Interstate 94 while watching an episode of “Law & Order” on his phone
The ironing.
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@pie_flavor Funny, cute, but I'm not sure what it has to do with driving.
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@HardwareGeek goddamned title bar said official funny stuff thread. When is that going to be fixed?
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@loopback0 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@pie_flavor said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
When is that going to be fixed?
WOMM.
I occasionally see the title bar not update correctly (or at least does so very slowly) when navigating back on my phone with 90+ Chrome tabs. But >99% of the time, it Just Works. And the times it doesn't, I blame my phone.
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Stadt Bocholt does not know who is going to pay the €25 fine.
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NOTE: If you watch the video, mute it. There's not much to hear except the wind causing noise in the phone camera.
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I see China has exported its driving practices to the USA.
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So this just passed me doing about 80 in a 50 zone
https://ag-spots-2018.o.auroraobjects.eu/2018/09/29/nissan-gt-r-2017-c620629092018174106_2.jpg
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
80 in a 50 zone
That's 50 in a 30 zone in Liberia/Myanmar units.
Filed under: I just assumed @blek's velocity units.
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Here's a small test:
Near an intersection, you're driving on the left-hand side of the road. Your right blinker is on. Which direction are you going?
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.If you said "straight ahead, of course", you're thinking like a driver I saw the other day.
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
driving on the left-hand side of the road
In a left-sided- or right-sided-driving-area?
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
driving on the left-hand side of the road
In a left-sided- or right-sided-driving-area?
Yes.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
driving on the left-hand side of the road
In a left-sided- or right-sided-driving-area?
Somewhere in here there's an image of the traffic circle from hell.
@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Yes.
So this answer is entirely correct.
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Say you pull up behind someone at a red light. There's two lanes, one turning left and one going straight and turning right. You want to turn right, but the guy in front of you is waiting to go straight. Do you
a) wait for the light like a normal person, or
b) go into the left turning lane and turn right from there in front of the guy waiting at the (still red) lightIf you're some guy in a BMW SUV from the other day, apparently the answer is b.
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@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Say you pull up behind someone at a red light. There's two lanes, one turning left and one going straight and turning right. You want to turn right, but the guy in front of you is waiting to go straight. Do you
a) wait for the light like a normal person, or
b) go into the left turning lane and turn right from there in front of the guy waiting at the (still red) lightIf you're some guy in a BMW SUV from the other day, apparently the answer is b.
And every once in a (great) while, there's a cop right there. It's been a while since I've seen karma work like that, but it's great when it happens...
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@hungrier There's also the variant where you mistakenly are in the left-turning lane but actually want to go right. Thus, when the lights turn green, you immediately pull right without trying to see whether the guy in the car right to you (me, in that case) would have even been able to see your indicators. And also not giving a shit whether said guy was actually willing to yield. Not to mention that the law says: "You're in the wrong lane? Tough luck. Next time, take better care that you know where you're driving."
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
In a left-sided- or right-sided-driving-area?
I meant the left lane, like in the situation @hungrier mentioned.
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Somewhere in here there's an image of the traffic circle from hell.
You mean the magic roundabout?
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@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
b) go into the left turning lane and turn right from there in front of the guy waiting at the (still red) light without using your blinker
FTFB
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Stopped, first in line, at a major intersection with protected turn lanes in all directions, so lights are red for all straight-through traffic. Light turns green for cross traffic. One guy, about 3rd in line, or so, doesn't notice and just sits there until someone behind him honks. On his phone? As he starts driving and crosses the intersection in front of me, I get a pretty good look at him. I see that he's looking down at his lap instead of the road. Yup, on the phone.
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Police wants to pull over a Tesla driving too close to the car in front of it. It does not respond to the stop signs and started to overtake when the police car slowed down in front of it. Closer inspection revealed the driver was asleep, and the Tesla was driving on autopilot.
The driver (who turned out to be drunk) was awakened with the siren, and his driving license was seized. It is unknown why the Tesla did not signal that the driver was asleep.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
signal that the driver was asleep.
What does that look like?
This will set precedent, as previously it was assumed impossible to interact with other drivers while unconscious. Well...
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I see you're working on the physics engine...
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Near an intersection, you're driving on the left-hand side of the road. Your right blinker is on. Which direction are you going?
This sort of thing gets confusing when you're not sure if the poster drives on the wrong side of the road
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Near an intersection, you're driving on the left-hand side of the road. Your right blinker is on. Which direction are you going?
Police cell, to sleep till you're sober.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
signal that the driver was asleep.
What does that look like?
This will set precedent, as previously it was assumed impossible to interact with other drivers while unconscious. Well...
I think what they meant is that a Tesla requires driver engagement or it pulls over and stops. So, whatever bit is supposed to detect an attentive driver didn't seem to do a very good job here.
You can get these things to fake the 'hands-on-the-wheel' signal though...because people are morons:
https://www.news4jax.com/automotive/device-to-trick-tesla-autopilot-banned-from-sale-in-us
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@Cursorkeys said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I think what they meant is that a Tesla requires driver engagement or it pulls over and stops.
To be honest I can't imagine driver being actually attentive, with the reaction times usually required to solve a critical situation on the road¹, when they are not actively driving. Because when the automation is doing things, even if you realize some action needs to be taken, you first expect the automation to take it at about the time you'd do it manually, and realize it didn't a second later when it is too late to avert the crash. Therefore I think any system like this should not be approved for road use until it is good enough to not require the driver at all.
¹ There is a lot of experience with autopilots in aircraft, but aircraft have enough room around them that the pilots always have a couple of seconds to react (auto-land, the only case where things are happening fast, uses tripple-channel autopilot to make really sure it does not fail badly in the critical moment). Cars don't have that much space around and need much faster reactions.
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@Bulb I agree. I've long thought that just about any further automation to what is currently common is a bad idea. Lane assist is acceptable, but the way they've had it on trucks for years where you get an audio trigger if you drift, not active compensation by the car.
I'm not sure how this would apply to cruise control. Fixed-speed cruise control is a significant fuel saver and probably no risk, but adaptive versions may take too much work out of the driver's hands.
Automated emergency braking (EG when the vehicle in front of you brakes suddenly, or when a pedestrian suddenly steps onto the road) is of course a good idea, but should probably be implemented in a way which is NOT comfortable for the passengers of the car, to incentivise the driver to react to these situations themselves when possible.
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@PleegWat Adaptive "cruising" would be acceptable for low speeds, i.e. stop&go traffic jams.
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This morning: road that goes under a highway, with a red light on the other side of the bridge, and an on-ramp to get on the highway on my side of the bridge. I'm stopped about 2 car lengths before the on-ramp. Someone about 3 cars behind me wants to get on the highway. Does he:
A) waits about 10 s until the light turns green, everyone moves ahead, he gets on the on-ramp.
B) climbs on the sidewalk, passes the 4-5 cars waiting in line to get on the on-ramp without waiting?No points for guessing what this moron did.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I'm not sure how this would apply to cruise control. Fixed-speed cruise control is a significant fuel saver and probably no risk, but adaptive versions may take too much work out of the driver's hands.
Having had cruise and adaptive cruise, the latter is actually a lot safer (at least in the implementation on my car) since it won't ram the vehicle in front if there's a sudden slowdown. The main place where it's not great is when you're on a winding country road, where it has a bit of a tendency to accelerate into a bend when the vehicle in front disappears around it. (The right option in those circumstances is “don't use cruise!”) However, in heavy highway traffic (especially with variable speed limits in force or when going through roadworks) adaptive cruise is much better.
Lane departure assist where there's a minor bit of pressure to keep you in lane (but which you can insist on overcoming easily enough) works nicely, a bit better than just audio warnings. However, it is very dependent on the car being able to figure out where the edges of the lane really are; on some roads that's very hard to tell indeed (e.g., where the road is part way through being resurfaced).
My general guess is that Tesla are trying very hard to avoid putting in the safety technologies that other car makers are already using, relying instead on cameras for everything, and that's not working as well as they'd hoped…
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
e.g., where the road is part way through being resurfaced
Well, resurfaced means the lines are simply not there in some parts, so the lane assist won't be working for a while. But I've seen some cases where they painted on new lanes and didn't remove the old paint well, resulting in an utterly confusing mess of lines. That would totally freak out any lane assist (I've mainly seen it in the city, where it is not as much problem due to the low speed, but still).
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
My general guess is that Tesla are trying very hard to avoid putting in the safety technologies that other car makers are already using, relying instead on cameras for everything, and that's not working as well as they'd hoped…
My impression is that they are trying to develop safety-critical systems with the attitude typical for developers of the web-app-of-the-day in general.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
resulting in an utterly confusing mess of lines.
That pretty much describes the entire length of US101 I regularly drive. (15mi)