Markdown Drama Part III - The Revenge of the CommonMark
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It's been renamed to http://t.co/hdDpdUK5Ug? Who came up with that name?
At the danger of going meta, it's a oneboxing thing. It was the correct link on twitter.
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That's gotta suck if your name is Mark, though, right? Because no-one wants to be common Mark.
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From link.
Perhaps the best way to provide feedback is to implement your own CommonMark parser
That won't end badly.
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Won't fix, as designed, closed.
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"Hey, when I intentionally lock my front door, it immediately unlocks."
"Yeah, that's what locks are supposed to do, right?"
"When we give you a key that unlocks the door, the door needs to stay unlocked forever. WONTFIX ASDESIGNED"
Edit: Amazing, @sam marked my bug report (posts being mutated due to me having more permissions) as a feature request, and then @codinghorror said it was by design and closed the "feature request".
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How is it a perk to have things removed from your post? I mean [Rant removed by @system -- Thanks for being a Regular!]
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Because things were added at lower rank and less is more. Ask any Victoria secret sales clerk.
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I personally wouldn't want to be named Richard in this case:
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Edit: Amazing, @sam marked my bug report (posts being mutated due to me having more permissions) as a feature request, and then @codinghorror said it was by design and closed the "feature request".
You must be new there.
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You must be new ....there. .......?
Mobile version of ftfy
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This is Ben we're talking about who should really know better by now, and was still amazed at the wtfery.
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You must be new ....there. .......?
There being at meta.d. FYI, @sam has reopened and re-marked as a bug. I don't really care, personally. But there you go.
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Can someone explain what was the point of adding
rel="nofollow"
to the link?
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David Gruber has really annoying TV commercials so I don't want to give him pagerank.
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It's a directive to bots, indicating that the link is to not be used for the purposes of page-ranking algorithms. Used quite a bit in public wikis to try and make it less valuable to spam them by minimum wage Indians working for “pharmaceutical” or “financial” companies. Probably ignored by bots.
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It's a directive to bots, indicating that the link is to not be used for the purposes of page-ranking algorithms. Used quite a bit in public wikis to try and make it less valuable to spam them by minimum wage Indians working for “pharmaceutical” or “financial” companies. Probably ignored by bots.
That's what I was thinking. Why would google care about your wishes? They rank what they want, how they want.
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The one piece of value in it is that it's probably a good indication that the target of the link isn't something that the site owner is linking to in an official capacity, and that you should instead investigate who was the author of that bit of the content of the page.
Wikispammers need to die. Seriously.
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At the danger of going meta, it's a oneboxing thing. It was the correct link on twitter.
I noticed later that it displayed fine on Twitter, but still, using an URL shortener to market your new domain name is Doing it WrongTM :http://t.co/hdDpdUK5Ug http://commonmark.org
See that? The "shortened" URL is one character longer!
Filed under: Days since last Discourge bug: -1
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I noticed later that it displayed fine on Twitter, but still, using an URL shortener to market your new domain name is Doing it WrongTM :
See that? The "shortened" URL is one character longer!
He should have used 9m.no:
Filed under: The left unicode thing looks funny
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Using a URL shortener is idiotic when you are trying to brand yourself, is even more idiotic when it makes the URL longer and really makes no damned sense when it is only the domain name. If he were trying to link to commonmark.org/awholebunchofshitgoeshereandmakesitlonger.html would make sense.
Everything he does is WTFery, and you don't even have to nitpick.
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But I like nitpicking!
And I agree that using an URL shortener when linking to your project's homepage is a dumb idea.
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I am more of a high-level person. If you handle the minutiae then we will never miss a chance to take the piss out of them.
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Y'all know that twitter automatically "shortens" every URL you put in a tweet, right? For once this isn't @codinghorror's fault...
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You don't get a choice on Twitter. They shorten all links, so they can run analytics on them. Even for users who don't buy Twitter Ads.
it's kind of annoying, but also kind of fun because it means everybody can use their ads.twitter.com analytics reporting.
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True, but usually the link text stays the same, only the href changes.
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Citation needed. I thought the whole purported benefit of the shortener was that it made your url take up less characters.
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I think it depends on how you view/fetch it, though (with twitter's built-in shortener). I've not cared enough to figure it out, but I guess the oneboxing gets the "shortened" version.
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I thought the whole purported benefit of the shortener was that it made your url take up less characters.
That might be the purported benefit, but the actual benefit has always been analytics.
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100% agreed. But you have to claim it does SOMETHING for the users if you want the users not to bitch as hard. The claim was that it lets you fit more text around your link.
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Seriously? You can't just go to twitter and check?
If you're using the clients made by Twitter themselves (including the website), they show the full url.
One-boxing doesn't for some reason.
Compare this tweet I recently retweeted versus its one-box:
Filed under: Discourse bug
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https://twitter.com/gruber/status/507364924340060160
NOT DISPUTABLE
Source: <a href="http://www.gruber-law.com/" rel="nofollow">Gruber is a lawyer</a>
Bad technology gets used widely all the time. Congrats, you created the PHP of formatting.
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User submitted bug for this post
I could always check this...
(Context: All TL2 and below have
rel=nofollow
added to any links, TL3's and above don't. This option was added when someone complained that all theirleadersregulars could 'spam' if they wanted to. Initial response was the usual 'well if you don't trust your TL3's then increase the criteria so you don't get TL3s.' Then they added that option. It appears that it's introduced a bug whererel=nofollow
is always removed from TL3+ if that is unchecked even if a TL3 specifically adds it on a case-by-case basis...)
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I mean, I have sites I'd like to share pagerank with, but for the sake of making a pun, a lawyer's website is not one of them.
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@comex I believe Markdown’s success is due to, not in spite of, its lack of standardization. And its success is not disputable.
Because we all want to have the same plaintext render in 20 different ways due to implementation edge cases, browser glitches and the position of Mars relative to Saturn.
While we're at it, why not create an even better system? Here, the spec:
"Every input is a valid input. The parser shall take the input and do whatever the fuck it pleases with it."
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Here, the spec:
[spec]
If the document contains U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A, U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A will be emitted.
[/spec]
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If the document contains U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A, U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A will be emitted.
FALSE! If the document contains only U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A then it shall be considered an invalid post due to all-caps... or being too short... etc.
Oh boy... Yet another divergent implementation.
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CommonMark is a shite name. I propose the following:
[spoiler]MELTDOWN[/spoiler]
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I fixed it
(Inside of unrelated changes. But at least the commits are split!)
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Filed under: Days since last Discourge bug: -1
I wanted to give a second like for this part, but alas, I cannot.
Oh, wait!
+x
We're good now!
Filed Under: Low post numbers are a barrier to interesting character codes
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While I'm waiting for Markdown to create either a Mona Lisa or Skynet I read the following roundup:
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http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/10/markdown-throwdown-what-happens-when-foss-software-gets-corporate-backing/
In other words, it's not that hard to write HTML. But it is a pain.
Typing out all those tags creates an extra wall between you and your thoughts. No one wants to put <p> at the start of every paragraph and then </p> at the end, we just want to hit return and keep typing,Yeah... never used Community Server, have we?
Filed under: uphill both ways, and we liked it
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http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/10/markdown-throwdown-what-happens-when-foss-software-gets-corporate-backing/
I like how SO, github, and reddit are "big business" overshadowing the entire internet.
Filed under: we must fear them.
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I also like how if I kinda/sorta accidentally "type" in the preview pain my letters become commands rocketing me all over the forum...
As designed. WILL NOT FIX.
At least it asked where I wanted to reply to...
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From the comments on that Ars article:
I'm totally on board for a name change though, and a bit surprised Atwood didn't push for that. Something simple, say "Discount" (or another play on the word Markdown).
Jeff is now slapping his forehead because he wasn't clever enough to think of that.
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Whatever happened to just using BBCode, it was just a safer form of HTML and had more structure and standardization than any of this trash. No! Let's create yet another fucking display language.
Next thing you know, they'll be pushing Markdown as a replacement for LaTeX..
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Whatever happened to just using BBCode, it was just a safer form of HTML and had more structure and standardization than any of this trash. No! Let's create yet another fucking display language.
Funny enough, Discforce uses BBcode
<blockquote>
s for quoting.
See: http://what.thedailywtf.com/raw/2925/149?u=aliceif[quote="delfinom, post:148, topic:2925, full:true"] Whatever happened to just using BBCode, it was just a safer form of HTML and had more structure and standardization than any of this trash. No! Let's create yet another fucking display language.</blockquote> Funny enough, Discforce uses BBcode `[quote]`s for quoting. See: http://what.thedailywtf.com/raw/2925/149?u=aliceif
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I like how SO, github, and reddit are "big business"
It's Ars Technica, what did you expect? Obviously Apple and/or Microsoft are the best thing that ever happened to the universe (depending who's writing this week), but StackOverflow, that's the real corporate menace.