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@rhywden That ought to work; small integers should be representable in floats exactly.
But
0.3f == 0.1f + 0.2f
is indeed much more expected to be false.
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@dkf said in The Official Status Thread:
@rhywden That ought to work; small integers should be representable in floats exactly.
But
0.3f == 0.1f + 0.2f
is indeed much more expected to be false.Yes, got the numbers wrong, sorry :) But you got what I wanted to say anyway ;)
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In [9]: np.float32(0.3) == np.float32(0.1) + np.float32(0.2) Out[9]: True In [10]: np.float16(0.3) == np.float16(0.1) + np.float16(0.2) Out[10]: False
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@adynathos I'm going to be annoying here and point out that you can't actually be sure that the values that you are working with are the ones you expect there. (Also, the combination to run into trouble is different with double precision floats, but still exists.)
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@cartman82
Apparently they're finding WTDWTF earlier these days...
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@dkf said in The Official Status Thread:
I'm going to be annoying here and point out that you can't actually be sure that the values that you are working with are the ones you expect there.
The result of the experiment seems to follow intuition: when precision if reduced from float32 to float16, an error happens.
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I have to deliver a document split in 3 parts. I'm tempted to number them "part 1", "part 1: episode 1" and "part 1: episode 2", but I fear it might confuse people.
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@pleegwat said in The Official Status Thread:
@hungrier said in The Official Status Thread:
Including "open face sandwiches" in the definition opens up the (IMO) insane possibility that a pizza could be considered a sandwich (bottom bread, primarily savoury toppings) while a shawarma (structurally a wrap) would not.
Pizza is baked along with the toppings, not separately.
It is possible to buy pre-baked pizza crust, to which you can then add one's own sauce and toppings. This opens up the possibility of a pizza actually meeting the definition of a sandwich.
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@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
some reasonable limit ought to be added to how many such layers can be thusly created and still have the result be called a "sandwich".
Edit: Having now read the rest of your post, I see that you specifically mentioned Dagwood sandwiches by name.
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@remi said in The Official Status Thread:
@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
at least one major savory element (e.g. the peanut butter in a PB&J),
I would never had considered peanut butter as savoury... Is it like butter, you can get salted/unsalted ones? (if so, I've only ever seen unsalted ones)
In the US, unsalted peanut butter is uncommon, except perhaps in places that cater to people with special (i.e., low sodium) diets. My favorite peanut butter has the following list of ingredients: "Peanuts and salt ... That's all!" More typical peanut butters include sugar, emulsifiers and other non-peanut-butter stuff.
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@hardwaregeek Uh, TIL. I've never seen salted one in Europe. Chunky/smooth, yes, but it's always sweet. Now I'm curious to try it.
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@remi I think my grandparents were on a low-sodium diet at one point, and had some unsalted peanut-butter one time when I was visiting. I didn't like it; too bland.
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@hardwaregeek A friend of mine bought some by accident once and said it was disgusting.
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@remi said in The Official Status Thread:
@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
at least one major savory element (e.g. the peanut butter in a PB&J),
I would never had considered peanut butter as savoury... Is it like butter, you can get salted/unsalted ones? (if so, I've only ever seen unsalted ones)
It's pushing the envelope, I'll admit. Especially in the US... peanut butter, even the salted kind (yes, you can get either kind), almost always has added sugar. (Sugar is in everything in the US. Including, yes, the bread.) You have to specifically make it a point in order to buy peanut butter that doesn't.
Regardless, it's close enough for the purposes of calling it a sandwich. It's protein, at least.
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@hardwaregeek said in The Official Status Thread:
@pleegwat said in The Official Status Thread:
@hungrier said in The Official Status Thread:
Including "open face sandwiches" in the definition opens up the (IMO) insane possibility that a pizza could be considered a sandwich (bottom bread, primarily savoury toppings) while a shawarma (structurally a wrap) would not.
Pizza is baked along with the toppings, not separately.
It is possible to buy pre-baked pizza crust, to which you can then add one's own sauce and toppings. This opens up the possibility of a pizza actually meeting the definition of a sandwich.
I considered that. It's close enough that I'll allow it. It's definitely not worth trying to write a rule to exclude it.
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Status: I wish yesterday had been Friday. I don't want to be at work. But at least today is Friday.
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@magus said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: I wish yesterday had been Friday. I don't want to be at work. But at least today is Friday.
Today is either pastry day or bagel day. I'm not sure yet which, because they skipped a week during the holidays, and I was out sick last Friday.
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@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
Sugar is in everything in the US. Including, yes, the bread.
That's the thing that's worst about bread in the US. If I want a sweet sandwich-alike thing, I'll put something (very!) sweet on top, e.g., honey, but the rest of the time I'd rather have the bread be totally unsweetened.
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Status: Working from home for the third time this week because of a strike on the trains.
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@anonymous234 said in The Official Status Thread:
I have to deliver a document split in 3 parts. I'm tempted to number them "part 1", "part 1: episode 1" and "part 1: episode 2", but I fear it might confuse people.
That only works if you need to split it into 6 parts:
- Part 1
- Part 1
- Part 1
- Part 2
- Part 2: Episode 1
- Part 2: Episode 2
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@ben_lubar
I think you a few episode numbers there.
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@anotherusername Sugar is in everything in the US except things that should have sugar. Those have high fructose corn syrup instead.
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@weng no, high fructose corn syrup is used in most of the other things too.
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@izzion I think it's meant to be Half Life?
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@dkf said in The Official Status Thread:
I'd rather have the bread be totally unsweetened.
If you don't add sugar, what does the yeast feed on? It is my understanding from making homemade bread that if you add less sugar, the bread won't rise properly (although that is based on the recipe instructions; I've never actually left out the sugar).
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@hardwaregeek said in The Official Status Thread:
If you don't add sugar, what does the yeast feed on?
Why, starch from the flour, of course! (starch being just longer chains of sugar) "Proper" bread (as in, the kind that is made by real bakers etc.) is only flour, water, salt and yeast, nothing more. No added sugar.
Adding sugar is just a way to speed up the process, because yeast is relatively slow to digest starch (at least, that's how I understand it).
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@remi That makes sense. It would have to break the starch down into simple sugars before it could metabolize it (just as the human body does). I should probably also confess that most of my experience is with automatic bread makers, which can't (without a bunch of manual fiddling, if at all) add extra rising time for doughs that rise more slowly than their programmed time.
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status: emergency release to live at half past 4 on a Friday evening.
What could possibly go wrong?
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@jaloopa said in The Official Status Thread:
I wouldn't call peanut butter sweet, although I think there is some sugar in it.
You can find sweet ones - usually the 'honey nut' ones - in most of the US, but most of them are only slightly sweet if at all.
I've found some that were quite salty, however. Mostly, it is the 'natural peanut butter' ones, where the peanut oil isn't so thoroughly mixed in at a factory, and you have to stir the oil at the top back in when you go to use it. Those tend to be both gritty - just like with actually fresh peanut butter - and salty, as they use the salt as a preservative.
Also, fresh-ground peanut butter - actually fresh-ground, especially before the oil has had a chance to separate - is very different from the types that you get in jars, even the 'natural' ones. That isn't salty at all, unless you add some to it, but it does tend to be very unctuous/greasy as well as gritty.
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@scholrlea said in The Official Status Thread:
Mostly, it is the 'natural peanut butter' ones, where the peanut oil isn't so thoroughly mixed in at a factory, and you have to stir the oil at the top back in when you go to use it.
These are what I like. I make reduced (not low) fat peanut butter by pouring the excess oil off when I first open the jar.
If you store the jar in the refrigerator after you stir it, you rarely or never have to stir it again (unless you forget to put it away). Also, I've found that if I store it upside-down, it eliminates the lumps of dry, unmixed peanut solids that tend to occur in the bottom of the jar from less-than-complete stirring.
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@hardwaregeek said in The Official Status Thread:
excess oil
Speaking of oil...
Status: I think I may have ingested too much oil for dinner last night. Not good things happening below...
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@hardwaregeek I also have a bread maker and while most recipes do indeed call for some sugar, there is also a "French bread" program that does not, and takes much longer (something like 4-5 h instead of 2-3 h for the others).
I think some models also have a program which only kneads the dough, the idea being that you then make it into any shape you like and bake it in the oven (to get e.g. baguettes with a lot of crust!). I guess from there you can leave the dough to rise for however long you like. Although "proper" bread making requires several cycles of kneading/rising...
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@tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
@hardwaregeek said in The Official Status Thread:
excess oil
Speaking of oil...
Status: I think I may have ingested too much oil for dinner last night. Not good things happening below...
Thank you so much for sharing.
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@remi said in The Official Status Thread:
Although "proper" bread making requires several cycles of kneading/rising...
I should do that again some time. The kneading can be very therapeutic at relieving pent-up aggression and frustration.
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@hardwaregeek When you've got time for it, yes, it's very nice. Also, the smell of freshly baked bread coming out of the oven... mmm...
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@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
Hotdogs when consumed by turning them on their side and eaten as a sandwich.
Aren't most hot dogs not composed of two distinct pieces? Haven't had one for a while, but I think usually they don't fully slice the bun, just make a slit large enough to stuff the sausage in. ()
Also, are three stacked pieces of bread a sandwich?
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@scholrlea said in The Official Status Thread:
most of them are only slightly sweet if at all.
That's just because you don't notice how sweet they really are. Find an unsweetened peanut butter and compare it side by side with something like Jif.
Sometimes they even replace the sugar with xylitol. That still makes it sweet, while cutting down on the extra calories that sugar would add. Xylitol is significantly toxic to dogs, so double check the ingredients before you go smearing peanut butter anywhere that your dog might try to lick it off.
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@maciejasjmj said in The Official Status Thread:
Also, are three stacked pieces of bread a sandwich?
I dunno, maybe if the one in the middle is a different type of bread. Also:
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@maciejasjmj said in The Official Status Thread:
@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
Hotdogs when consumed by turning them on their side and eaten as a sandwich.
Aren't most hot dogs not composed of two distinct pieces? Haven't had one for a while, but I think usually they don't fully slice the bun, just make a slit large enough to stuff the sausage in. ()
I think it varies depending on how well the slicing machine was adjusted. Usually it seems like I get packs where half of the buns are almost completely falling apart and the rest of them you have to tear them just to make room for the hot dog (and then you usually tear them too far, and end up with the buns almost completely falling apart again).
Also, are three stacked pieces of bread a sandwich?
Absolutely not.
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@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
and the rest of them you have to tear them just to make room for the hot dog
There is this tool called a knife, it can be used to slice things. You should try it, I hear that it works wonders on bread.
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- unmuted the trolleybus garage to see more topics
- read for a while
- no, just no, fuck this shit
- muted again
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@sockpuppet7 said in The Official Status Thread:
- unmuted the trolleybus garage to see more topics
- read for a while
- no, just no, fuck this shit
- muted again
I did the same thing, though I just went through 'Categories' to get to it without unmuting it.
TIL that the thread is still going strong, with the latest update being 20 hours ago. Seriously?
EDIT: I was a word in there. Sorry for doing.
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@scholrlea said in The Official Status Thread:
TIL that the is still going strong
There are some things that one is better off not learning.
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@dragoon said in The Official Status Thread:
@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
and the rest of them you have to tear them just to make room for the hot dog
There is this tool called a knife, it can be used to slice things. You should try, I hear that it works wonders on bread.
Tearing them works well enough.
It's unfolding them that usually makes them fall apart, IME, so that will probably happen regardless.
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More importantly,
Hotdogs when consumed by turning them on their side and eaten as a sandwich.
As opposed to eating them with the opening facing up? Does anyone actually do that?
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@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
so double check the ingredients before you go smearing peanut butter anywhere that your dog might try to lick it off.
You forgot the
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@hungrier said in The Official Status Thread:
More importantly,
Hotdogs when consumed by turning them on their side and eaten as a sandwich.
As opposed to eating them with the opening facing up? Does anyone actually do that?
No, and that's the point. Eating it sideways would make it a sandwich, but nobody does that, so it's not.
@anonymous234 said in The Official Status Thread:
@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
so double check the ingredients before you go smearing peanut butter anywhere that your dog might try to lick it off.
You forgot the
Did not! (check view raw on that post)
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@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
(Sugar is in everything in the US. Including, yes, the bread.)
Of course there's sugar in bread. Starch is a sugar, after all
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@polygeekery said in The Official Status Thread:
Think of what would happen if that caught fire in your living room.
You would save the trouble of taking it outside