The Swedish Politics Thread
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@asdf said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
It's not much of a hassle, especially if you buy most of your beverages in crates.
What decade is it there?
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@boomzilla said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
What decade is it there?
So, you're saying that these don't exist anymore where you live?
http://www.advanced-compounding.com/system/html/IMG_1223-76a9fbc3.jpg
Why? They're useful!
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@asdf said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
So, you're saying that these don't exist anymore where you live?
Looks like the sort of thing you'd see being used by a delivery guy stocking the shelves at the store. No way I'd want to buy bulky packaging like that.
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@boomzilla said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
No way I'd want to buy bulky packaging like that.
…OK. Personally, I'd rather carry that then 20 single bottles, but to each his own.
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@asdf They have bags at the store. I also keep a laundry basket or two in my trunk for carrying stuff in from the car.
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@boomzilla said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
They have bags at the store.
Still less convenient than a crate if you buy a large amount of glass bottles (e.g. beer). And plastic bags can break, especially if you put 20kg in them.
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@asdf said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
Still less convenient than a crate if you buy a large amount of glass bottles (e.g. beer).
Those already come in a box. I mean...if you're only buying 6 then they're in the little open top carrier, but 12 packs and up come in sturdy cardboard boxes. Do you buy loose bottles or something? For wine, stores typically have 4 pack carriers of similar design to a beer six pack holder. But the bottles are bigger so you probably wouldn't want to have more than that in a single container.
@asdf said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
And plastic bags can break, especially if you put 20kg in them.
Yes, I wouldn't even put 20 lbs in one of them.
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@asdf said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
@boomzilla said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
I'm more worried about chemtrails.
Fair enough.
Or not, since chemtrails are, you know, bullshit
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@Jaloopa said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
@asdf said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
@boomzilla said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
I'm more worried about chemtrails.
Fair enough.
Or not, since chemtrails are, you know, bullshit
Yeah, I can verify this. The FAA came to our farm all the time to collect manure for their chemtrail program. It's not about mind control at all, it's just a government-sponsored continental fertilizer spraying program designed to reduce carbon emissions by getting rid of all the little inefficient single-seat crop dusters and forcing the airlines to do it instead.
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@anotherusername said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
Sometimes you even get that without the privatization.
Take public service that people like and has been running fine for decades. Cut funding by half, place incompetent morons in charge, and/or add lots of pointless new rules designed to make their life as hard as possible. Wait for people to complain about the service not working. Use it as evidence that public services just don't work, and hand it over to a company that just happens to be owned by your best friend. Yes, we know that routine very well.
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@Mikael_Svahnberg said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
It should not be easier to open a bottle of liquor than a carton of milk. But it is.
Hey, it was you people that invented them
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@Mikael_Svahnberg said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
All hail to our future first female prime minister.
I like it how it's an important thing, apparently. In US too.
Over here, we mostly forget our president even exists. She pops up on TV every once in a while, but that's it. I don't even know why we have a president TBQH, none of them ever did anything.
Our female prime minister... Ok, we remember her. Mostly because she spouted a lot of stupid that most of her colleagues manage to keep off-camera.
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@Onyx said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
@Mikael_Svahnberg said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
All hail to our future first female prime minister.
I like it how it's an important thing, apparently. In US too.
Over here, we mostly forget our president even exists. She pops up on TV every once in a while, but that's it. I don't even know why we have a president TBQH, none of them ever did anything.
Our female prime minister... Ok, we remember her. Mostly because she spouted a lot of stupid that most of her colleagues manage to keep off-camera.
This is Sweden:
- we have a king to save the prime minister from embarrasment.
- we have the speaker of the house, to stand in for the king
- we have the prime minister to run the government
- we have the parliament to make sure the government works as expected
- we get by, by not rocking the boat.
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@Mikael_Svahnberg
Unless you once had parliament rule your King unfit for a day to pass an abortion law without a Royal signature I'll claim that Belgium is more Belgiumed.
We only have a heritable King because having a president would mean elections, elections mean a winner and we can't have winners between French and Dutch speaking. So it's either a King or someone from the German speaking part. And nobody wants that.
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@Onyx oh, and if you were referring to the female bit, I agree it should not matter. But Annie Lööf has to be the first something when she becomes PM (not that anyone but herself thinks she will ever be PM), so why not female?
...It's about the only quality aside from an excellent talent for empty rhetorics I have seen her display.
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@Luhmann said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
@Mikael_Svahnberg
Unless you once had parliament rule your King unfit for a day to pass an abortion law without a Royal signature I'll claim that Belgium is more Belgiumed.
We only have a heritable King because having a president would mean elections, elections mean a winner and we can't have winners between French and Dutch speaking. So it's either a King or someone from the German speaking part. And nobody wants that.I never claimed you weren't, so get your own thread to Belgium in. :-)
Right now, the only thing keeping Sweden a monarchy is the crown princess.
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@Mikael_Svahnberg said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
female bit
Wait, we're talking about Swedish politicians' female bits now?
edit: Croatian?
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@anonymous234 said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
Take public service that people like and has been running fine for decades.
These exist?
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@anotherusername
Swedish politicians' Croatian bits?
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@Luhmann said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
had parliament rule your King unfit for a day to pass an abortion law without a Royal signature
I'm OK with this. Monarchs are kinda like an old-timey thing that we keep around because replacing them would be too much work and they are sometimes convenient to have around. But you can't let them think they have any real power or they might start trying to do politics.
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@Mikael_Svahnberg said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
we get by, by not rocking the boat.
Honestly that's how all countries seem to get by. I've never seen any government where people actually had an honest debate, admitted they were wrong about some facts, and reached a common conclusion.
Well, US politics seem to consist on rocking the boat as hard as you can. That's why they're so entertaining to watch from outside.
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@anonymous234 said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
Well, US politics seem to consist on rocking the boat as hard as you can. That's why they're so entertaining to watch from outside.
Meanwhile, we on the inside are getting seasick.
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@Mikael_Svahnberg said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
Women get lower pensions than men because they are expected to live longer.
Sexists.
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@Mikael_Svahnberg said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
"We can't have monopolies", the state moaned. "We need to sell out our infrastructure companies!"
So now I pay two bills for my electricity. One to the company that delivers it to my house (which is still a monopoly since I can't change it), and one to the company that produces an amount of electricity equivalent to my consumption and pushes it out on the grid.It's similar to that in Houston.
But we have another layer on top of companies that compete.
Which means instead of pay $100, then paying $120 when the monopoly raises the price, we pay $101 - $120, then pay $121 - $140 when the hidden monopoly raises the price..
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@Mikael_Svahnberg said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
"We musn't own monopolies" cried the counties and sold out many of their retirement homes to private companies -- sometimes for as low as 1kr.
"This is better," the counties said, "because private companies are much better at being cost effective. This will lower the costs." And so they paid the companies per patient.
The companies indeed lowered the cost, and lined their pockets with the profit.Ok.... so the price didn't go up.... evil averted?
But, seriously, you create a faux market and are surprised when the faux market doesn't compete?
Also, demand has to be in the consumer's hands. Anywhere, where the demand is shifted onto another entity (like insurance), you'll have that problem.
Besides all of that. The inefficiences of the public option was government people creating fake labor to take more money from the system. So, instead of the investors profiting because they financed the company, favored people were profiting for doing jack shit, while tax payers are financing the public entity.
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@boomzilla said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
I'm more worried about chemtrails.
I wouldn't. You'll run into all kinds of roadblocks if you try to find out what is really inside those plastics. Could be anything, really, and the producing companies (mostly Chinese, go figure) will tell you that they don't really care if you want lots of BPA or analoguous substances in your plastic.
Basically, we know more about the ingredient list of the stuff inside those containers than we know of the containers themselves.
Of course, there are all kinds of tricks for the ingredients, too. An harmless example would be the "Natural flavour" which stems from all kinds of fungi and microbes.
The huge amounts of plastics we're producing will cause all kinds of fun effects in the next decades or so...
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@asdf said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
I'm not talking about reusing them myself. You usually bring them back to the shop here, and they get shipped back to the bottling company, who cleans and re-uses them a few times.
I don't think that happens here with plastic bottles, and very rarely does it happen with glass.
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@FrostCat said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
When I was a kid, they still did the glass bottle delivery thing in my town. IIRC you would put your empties out on the porch or whatever and the milkman would pick them up when he delivered your new milk.
And banged your mom. You forgot that step.
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@boomzilla said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
What decade is it there?
Must be a remnant of when they were run by the reds.
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@asdf said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
…OK. Personally, I'd rather carry that then 20 single bottles, but to each his own.
Why are you buying 20 bottles of milk??
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@Jaloopa said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
Or not, since chemtrails are, you know, bullshit
I see the lizard people have gotten to you...
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@Polygeekery said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
Why are you buying 20 bottles of milk??
How do you expect him to survive the winter without stockpiling food?
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@Rhywden said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
The huge amounts of plastics we're producing will cause all kinds of fun effects in the next decades or so...
I'll bet you that we won't be able to detect any of those effects and lifespans will continue to rise.
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@Polygeekery said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
Why are you buying 20 bottles of milk??
Fetish parties, obviously.
@Polygeekery said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
@asdf is a squirrel?
This explains so much...*runs up a tree*
@boomzilla said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
The huge amounts of plastics we're producing will cause all kinds of fun effects in the next decades or so...
I'll bet you that we won't be able to detect any of those effects and lifespans will continue to rise.
You can definitely detect more and more plasticizer in drinking water.
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@asdf said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
All kinds of plastic alter the taste of the beverage over time
If you have a jug of milk long enough for that to be a problem, I would advise against buying so much milk.
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@ben_lubar said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
If you have a jug of milk long enough for that to be a problem
I was thinking of water/juice when I wrote that.
@ben_lubar said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
I would advise against buying so much milk
I like to shower with milk. Don't judge me!
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@Polygeekery said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
Why are you buying 20 bottles of milk??
Jokes aside, of course I won't buy more then 2l of milk at a time. But there are also beer, soda, juice and sparkling water. Here's a photo from a typical German beverage store or large supermarket:
http://www.edeka-hahner.de/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2015/12/DSC_2367_web_klein.jpg
As you can see, there are six packs, cans and single bottles as well, but most of the stuff is in crates, which you can either buy as a whole or take single bottles from. It's not unusual to buy whole crates of beer, juice, sodas and water. They're easy to transport and great for storing large quantities of beverages in your basement, since they're stackable.
(Plus, there's almost zero waste, everything except the bottle caps is going to be reused after you bring it back to the store.)
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@ben_lubar What the deuce?
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@asdf said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
I was thinking of water/juice when I wrote that.
I'm thinking exclusively beer but to each his own I guess.
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@Mikael_Svahnberg said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
@ben_lubar What the deuce?
@ben_lubar is punning juice/Jews... I guess? Although I don't know whether water fits in there somewhere...
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@boomzilla said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
@Rhywden said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
The huge amounts of plastics we're producing will cause all kinds of fun effects in the next decades or so...
I'll bet you that we won't be able to detect any of those effects and lifespans will continue to rise.
Oh, we are definitely detecting the effects... it's just that they're rather long-term and thus the usual target for "it ain't gonna be a problem, yo!" guys like you.
The most problematic class of chemicals are called Xenohormones, by the way and are classed as "Endocrine Disruptors". Since normal hormones work on dosages on the ppb-level (parts per billion), the stuff leeching from plastic bottles should be watched carefully since those chemicals arrive in the body at similar doses.
In essence, the problem is pretty much obvious:
a) Plastics either leech Xenohormones into foodstuff / water or the plastic macromolecule itself disintegrates into Xenohormones over time (e.g. through UV rays while floating in water)
b) Hormones need only trivial concentrations to have a measurable effect on an organism
c) The concentration of Xenohormones can indeed reach (or even surpass) those levelsOf course it's not an attractive subject since we're currently pretty much dependant on plastics...
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@Rhywden said in The Swedish Politics Thread:
Oh, we are definitely detecting the effects... it's just that they're rather long-term and thus the usual target for "it ain't gonna be a problem, yo!" guys like you.
No we're not. It's just a lie to get grant money.