Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.
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I was thinking on posting here that the government in my country (Argentina) wants to impose electroning voting on a national level after implementing electronic voting with laughably bad "security" on the city of Buenos Aires... but this is much worse (and Orwellian). The minister of Security, said on TV that our government is planning to make a compulsory national DNA registry for every single citizen, not just criminals (video in Spanish, sadly):
Patricia Bullrich sobre la reación del Registro Nacional de ADN – 02:14
— Javier SmaldoneWhat's even worse, this was not reported by the media, and most people who hear about our government doing something not even North Korea thought of don't care because they don't think it's any worse than the government getting your fingerprints (which by the way, is something Argentina did since the 60s). It is dissapointing that we got rid of a government that was very close to installing a Chavez-like dictatorship in Argentina, to get something equally fascist. And what's even worse, people will support this because if you don't, that means you are supporting the previous government that stole an entire GDP.
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@magnusmaster said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
And what's even worse, people will support this because if you don't, that means you are supporting the previous government that stole an entire GDP.
Everyone in the whole country, circa 2002 said:
Los políticos, ¿viteh? ¡Afanan y afanan toda la plata!
Seriously, it was right up there with mate and asado. Apparently some things never change.
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The government in Denmark did kind of the same. Collected dna and medical data, for entirely medical reasons for years. Now want to share with the police -_-
iirc the Swedish government did almost the same, but had opt out dna testing on all infants.
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@magnusmaster said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
It is dissapointing that we got rid of a government that was very close to installing a Chavez-like dictatorship in Argentina, to get something equally fascist.
You guys are so fucked. I'm sorry.
Do you guys have laws about ginger beer yet?
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howdy countryman!
Que hace' campeon! raro ver a otro argento por aca.she's a drunk, seriously, i fear for a lot of things she's planning to do. but this thing in particular? science fiction.
the really scary thing is what they are doing with the electronic voting, specially when they passed a regulation to jail anyone who tries to do research on it.(also, having in mind, that they already impounded all the electronic devices of a security researcher =( (sorry, more spanish sources )@magnusmaster said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
we got rid of a government that was very close to installing a Chavez-like dictatorship in Argentina,
don't take me wrong, they were a really bad government, but the whole "we're are going to be venezuela" is right in the same alley of the tin hats
it's a really shitty moment right now, but this:
@magnusmaster said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
And what's even worse, people will support this because if you don't, that means you are supporting the previous government that stole an entire GDP.
is just making it worse, right now there's no third option, but mainly because no one thinks it's posible to not be with one or the other. as for me, i don't like neither, and it's really hard to not tell everyone to fuck off when they alternatively try to pin me to one or the other side.
@masonwheeler said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
Los políticos, ¿viteh? ¡Afanan y afanan toda la plata!
Seriously, it was right up there with mate and asado. Apparently some things never change.
woah, that's some serious insider knowledge. we've changed, we don't say
viteh
that much, the other part, it's still mainly the same =(
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@swayde said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
The government in Denmark did kind of the same. Collected dna and medical data, for entirely medical reasons for years. Now want to share with the police -_-
iirc the Swedish government did almost the same, but had opt out dna testing on all infants.Yes, we did/do. The "opt out" is conveniently hidden.
"We are going to run a battery of tests on your infant to make sure everything is ok."
"What's that?"
"Oh, that's just to check for genetic diseases. We will be saving the sample so we can go back and check when we learn of new diseases."40 years later:
"OMG, someone killed our foreign minister and left DNA all over the place!"
"No worries, we'll just pretend that we collected all this DNA for medical purposes and to help the police."
"But..."
"You don't want a killer on the loose, do you?"
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@boomzilla said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
Do you guys have laws about ginger beer yet?
Maybe they should just buy it, and if it turns out to be battery acid, simply remember to never buy the same bottle again.
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@Jarry said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
woah, that's some serious insider knowledge.
Like I said, I used to live there.
we've changed, we don't say
viteh
that much, the other part, it's still mainly the same =(What, did everyone start pronouncing the dropped S? It kind of strains credulity that people could drop a tic like that that in less than a generation. It would be like Minnesotans losing their "don'tcha know?" :P
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@masonwheeler said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
@Jarry said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
woah, that's some serious insider knowledge.
Like I said, I used to live there.
we've changed, we don't say
viteh
that much, the other part, it's still mainly the same =(What, did everyone start pronouncing the dropped S? It kind of strains credulity that people could drop a tic like that that in less than a generation. It would be like Minnesotans losing their "don'tcha know?" :P
oh, right, misread your nickname.
there's a significant part that not only started pronouncing the dropped S, they add another one, and it ends like:
vistes
but it's highly variable, even between north and south Buenos Aires
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@Jarry said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
there's a significant part that not only started pronouncing the dropped S, they add another one, and it ends like:
vistes
*wince*
Trying to decide whether or not that's a worse butchery of the language than "¡ayudenmen!"
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Sweet. more Argentines! Weird.
Yeah, I'm skeptical of how much support they'd actually get in trying to get a law like that passed, and the technical and legal feasibility of implementing it. I mean, the moment they try to force someone to provide a DNA sample, they're going to get so many blocking motions from judges at every level that it's going to be dead in the water and the supreme court will probably overturn the law.
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@masonwheeler said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
It would be like Minnesotans losing their "don'tcha know?" :P
I know there's folks out there who speak in Scandahoovian, but as a life-long Minnesotan I have yet to meet anyone who does. Gotta love stereotypes. :)
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@coldandtired said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
@boomzilla said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
Do you guys have laws about ginger beer yet?
Maybe they should just buy it, and if it turns out to be battery acid, simply remember to never buy the same bottle again.
Exactly!! See? The market works.
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@magnusmaster said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
mpose electroning voting on a national level after implementing electronic voting with laughably bad "security" on the city of Buenos Aires... but this is much worse (and Orwellian). The minister of Security, said on TV that our government is planning to make a compulsory national DNA registry for every single citizen
Walk up to the voting station.
Jerk off
Ejaculate on the table.
"You could have just given us a blood sample to vote."
Vote? Nah.
Walk away and/or take a dump in the booth.
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@Parody said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
I know there's folks out there who speak in Scandahoovian, but as a life-long Minnesotan I have yet to meet anyone who does. Gotta love stereotypes. :)
Fair enough. But Argentines (from the southern Buenos Aires province and the Santa Rosa region of La Pampa, at least, which is what I can speak of with personal experience) tend to share certain stereotypical qualities with a very high degree of accuracy.
- El fútbol. Everything you've ever heard about "soccer mania" is not only true, but probably under-exaggerated. (Is that a word?)
- El asado. I'd translate the word as "barbecue" but that doesn't do the cultural phenomenon justice. Just about everyone from the wealthiest to the poorest family has an asador (brick oven/grilling apparatus) in their backyard, and inviting your friends and family over for an asado is a big tradition that's practiced regularly.
- La mate. Pronounced "mah-tay," it's a type of tea preserved by dumping shredded yerba mate leaves into a cup traditionally made from a hollowed-out gourd and pouring hot water in. You drink it through a bombilla (a steel straw with a bulb on the end; the bulb is filled with tiny holes and acts like a strainer) stuck into the mess of leaves
- ¿viste? Literally, "did you see?" but colloquially translated more accurately as "ya know?" It gets stuck on the end of everything. It's common to drop the S, which is why I wrote it phonetically (with a silent H at the end) as "viteh" above.
- Las Malvinas. The cultural belief that Argentina used to own the Falkland Islands before the evil British imperialists stole them by force, but one day the Argentines are going to take them back. Because of their horrible crimes and atrocities in taking Las Malvinas, everything British is thoroughly despised and villified. (It's hard to convey to someone who's never been there just how dark a day it can be when England beats Argentina in the World Cup.)
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@masonwheeler said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
it's a type of tea preserved by dumping shredded yerba mate leaves into a cup traditionally made from a hollowed-out gourd and pouring hot water in.
I keep wanting to try this. Any idea where I can get the bombilla shipped internationally?
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@Yamikuronue you could probably find one in usa.
if not, send me a PM and i can probably send you a kit with instructions and everything.
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@Yamikuronue ebay ?
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@Kian plus, we're are talking about the same person that said in her twitter:
we need to consider everything drugs, even if its ingredients aren't drugs.
(a few more of us and we can do a beerWTF meeting)
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@masonwheeler said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
La mate. Pronounced "mah-tay," it's a type of tea preserved by dumping shredded yerba mate leaves into a cup traditionally made from a hollowed-out gourd and pouring hot water in. You drink it through a bombilla (a steel straw with a bulb on the end; the bulb is filled with tiny holes and acts like a strainer) stuck into the mess of leaves
I had friends who spent time in Argentina, and they brought back a fair amount of mate. Anyway, one summer night there was a meteor shower so we went out to a country road to watch it. We found a miles-long gravel road with only a single house on it, set up lawn chairs on a bridge over a creek, and were just BS-ing while watching for meteors.
This was at probably 2:00 AM, and somehow a county sheriff patrol car actually found us. One cop kept us blinded with the car's spotlight while the other looked through our vehicle when he thought we couldn't see him. After extensive questioning, they determined that we were in fact just a bunch of college-age males watching for meteors, equipped with nothing more illicit than Gatorade, and left.
My friends who had recently returned from Argentina had told us all they'd bring enough mate to go around, and fortunately they forgot and left it all at home. I just know we'd have been thrown in jail until lab tests confirmed it wasn't illegal drugs. That stuff looked shady as hell.
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@mott555 said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
That stuff looked shady as hell.
...and it tastes even worse. I've never understood the appeal.
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@masonwheeler said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
@mott555 said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
That stuff looked shady as hell.
...and it tastes even worse. I've never understood the appeal.
I tried it once and hated it, but I hate tea anyway.
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@Jarry You left out the picture of the mug.
Tell me that does not look like drug paraphernalia.
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@masonwheeler The funny thing is Britain is nearly as loony about football as the Argentines, and regards losing to them in the World Cup as a national disgrace too. Fortunately for us, we tend to get beaten by Iceland or Mongolia or somewhere else just plain embarrassing first, as the people in charge of the game regard doing what it takes to actually be good as being against the spirit of sucking up as much TV money as possible with club matches…
Do I sound cynical? I sound cynical. I am cynical!
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@masonwheeler said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
...and it tastes even worse. I've never understood the appeal.
Allegedly, there are people who enjoy the taste of brewed dried grass.
It has caffeine, though, and quite a bit of it. So there's a redeeming factor.
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@mott555
what the fuck is that. never saw something like that here. usually the bombilla is a separate thing
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@Jarry said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
@mott555
what the fuck is that. never saw something like that here. usually the bombilla is a separate thingSame here. That looks like some bizarre mate-drinking apparatus that some troll deliberately designed to look like a hookah.
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@swayde said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
The government in Denmark did kind of the same. Collected dna and medical data, for entirely medical reasons for years. Now want to share with the police -_-
iirc the Swedish government did almost the same, but had opt out dna testing on all infants.I can't believe countries that are as democratic as Denmark and Sweden would do something like this.
@Kian said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
Sweet. more Argentines! Weird.
Yeah, I'm skeptical of how much support they'd actually get in trying to get a law like that passed, and the technical and legal feasibility of implementing it. I mean, the moment they try to force someone to provide a DNA sample, they're going to get so many blocking motions from judges at every level that it's going to be dead in the water and the supreme court will probably overturn the law.
In Argentina, it is the Supreme Court who decides what is constitutional and what is not. And most of them are corrupt criminals or bought by the government. So I would never rule anything out...
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@masonwheeler said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
Just about everyone from the wealthiest to the poorest family has an asador (brick oven/grilling apparatus) in their backyard, and inviting your friends and family over for an asado is a big tradition that's practiced regularly.
Around here, if we're too poor to have a proper one we'll use a pile of bricks, or a metal barrel, or a paint can or whatever the fuck we find.
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@magnusmaster said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
In Argentina, it is the Supreme Court who decides what is constitutional and what is not. And most of them are corrupt criminals or bought by the government. So I would never rule anything out...
Yeah, it's about the same (on both points) in the USA, unfortunately.
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@masonwheeler well, that's a really good description :P
personally i don't care a lot about fútbol, or Malvinas(yes, blah blah, british imperialism blah blah, but truly we gifted them to the uk, and didn't care about them until some general needed them to perpetuate himself in the power).
and i think i don't say viteh
OTOH i think i drink 2 or 3 liters of Mate( remark: it's 'el' not 'la' ) per week, and last saturday cooked an Asado for 15 persons :DBTW, Mate is an acquired taste.
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@Parody said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
as a life-long Minnesotan
I once heard a Green Bayican talk about a stop-and-go light.
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@Yamikuronue said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
I keep wanting to try this. Any idea where I can get the bombilla shipped internationally?
Amazon seems to have them.
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@dkf said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
he people in charge of the game regard doing what it takes to actually be good as being against the spirit of sucking up as much TV money as possible
Oh, like the Cubs!
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@Parody said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
@masonwheeler said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
It would be like Minnesotans losing their "don'tcha know?" :P
I know there's folks out there who speak in Scandahoovian, but as a life-long Minnesotan I have yet to meet anyone who does. Gotta love stereotypes. :)
Yep, much more likely to hear “you-betcha”, or that Canadian word for all occasions “ay”...
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DNA is frightening close to basically having your medical records.
That's way different from the innocuous pattern of your finger skin.
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@mott555 said in Argentina wants to register everyone's DNA. Seriously.:
My friends who had recently returned from Argentina had told us all they'd bring enough mate >to go around, and fortunately they forgot and left it all at home. I just know we'd have been >thrown in jail until lab tests confirmed it wasn't illegal drugs. That stuff looked shady as hell.
Wow? Really? I know airport security sometimes gets paranoid, but its not like they had coca leaves with them. And yes, in case anyone's wondering in the northern region of argentina coca leaves are sold freely. Usually in small quantities, though, not nearly close to the amount needed to make, y'know, actual cocaine (but then, that would take far more than just the leaves).